Why do you keep rebutting SOMETHING I NEVER SAID?? You keep telling me how group averages are not predictive of specific individual outcomes, but I NEVER SAID THEY WERE.
So - do white families have a different average income to black families, or not? You seem confused on that issue.
White families have different incomes from other white families, you fucking moron. Black families have different incomes from other black families. Many white families and black families have the same income as other white and black families. It isn't the skin color/race. I keep telling you the average isn't determinative for individuals because it's a point about the relationship between group averages and individual attributes/characteristics, which you keep missing because you're too fucking stupid to understand it, and worse, don't want to. And never mind that "average income" and "life outcomes" (whatever the fuck that means) don't equal conduct. There's a relationship, for sure, but it's indirect, w/other intervening, independent, and interdependent variables.
Also, quit bitching, like a complete fucking retard, about "SOMETHING I NEVER SAID??" while you simultaneously, hypocritically, and apparently unironically do this:
"So differences between racial groups don't exist? Interesting."
"Plus according to you then we don’t even need to because everyone does just as well as everyone else! Congratulations, you just ended inequality - by the simple trick of pretending it doesn’t exist! Hooray!!"
"According to you, women are just as tall as men and I’m a disgrace to even suggest otherwise."
See, that's YOU doing the very thing you claim that I'M doing. It's projection, for sure - I just haven't figured out if it's only stupidity or if you're also playing with a partial deck.
So we agree that white families have a different average family income from black families? Great, then we agree! I guess now that we agree that racial groups do experience different life outcomes we don’t need to converse any further, we’re already on the same page. Cbf reading the rest of your reply tho.
Farewell comrade, I’ll miss our little chats! So glad we could finally agree.
This is where we are: at the comment thread limit (so I have to post the reply HERE).
Yet again, fuck, you're stupid.
THE IMPLICATION, AGAIN, OF YOUR STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT, IS THAT AVERAGES ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING FOR INDIVIDUALS. THEY DON'T. THE AVERAGE OF A RACE "GROUP'S" (WHICH ISN'T EVEN A REAL FUCKING GROUP, IT'S AN ABSTRACT LOGICAL GROUPING; THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW EACH OTHER. THERE ARE 46 MILLION FUCKING BLACK AMERICANS; THEY'RE NOT A "GROUP," YOU FUCKING IDIOT) INCOME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. AND THE "AVERAGES" AND THE ENTIRE DISTRIBUTION IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE SAME METRIC FOR OTHER RACE "GROUPS." THAT'S WHY I KEEP TELLING YOU THE SAME THING, BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH YOU KEEP SAYING "I NEVER SAID THEY WERE!" YOUR ACTUAL ARGUMENT IS DEPENDENT ON ASSERTING THAT RELATIONSHIP. LOOK UPTHREAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT - THE QUESTION IS, DOES RACE DETERMINE CULTURE WHICH DETERMINES CONDUCT. THE ANSWER IS "FUCKING NO." "STILL FUCKING NO." "FOR FUCK'S SAKE, YOU FUCKING MOUTH-BREATHING, HALF-WITTED, MONKEY-FUCKING, EXTRA-FUCKING-CHROMOSOME MORON: NO. SHOULDN'T YOU BE WEARING A HELMET, FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES?"
DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE DIFFERENT INCOME THAN ALL WHITE FAMILIES? NO. OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL WHITE FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER WHITE FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER BLACK FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. WELL, THEN: IT ISN'T FUCKING RACE, YOU FUCKING MORON. YOUR CENTRAL PROBLEM, OTHER THAN BEING A FUCKING MORON, IS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT, CONFOUNDING, AND CONTROL VARIABLES. GUESS WHICH CATEGORY RACE FALLS INTO? I'LL GIVE YOU FOUR CHANCES: WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, YOU STUPID FUCK: IT'S A CONTROL VARIABLE. IT'S NEITHER DEPENDENT, NOR INDEPENDENT AND CAUSAL, NOR CONFOUNDING BY INFLUENCING BOTH THE DEPENDENT AND INDEPENDENT VARIABLES. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
AND YET, FUCKING AGAIN, INCOME ISN'T A PROXY FOR "OUTCOME," WHATEVER THE FUCK "OUTCOME" MEANS. YOU'RE LITERALLY USING AN ILLOGICAL, BASELESS ARGUMENT ABOUT AN INAPPLICABLE ANALOG TO ILLUSTRATE YOUR INCORRECT SUPPOSITION ABOUT CHARACTERISTICS THAT AREN'T DETERMINED BY RACE. THAT'S HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. AND THEN YOU STRUT AROUND THE CHESS BOARD, LIKE THE PROVERBIAL SHITTING PIGEON, PLEASED WITH YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND JUST EXACTLY HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. LOOK UP DUNNING-KRUGER, YOU STUPID FUCK; IT'S YOU. That's not enough fucks, but it's all I had.
Why do you keep rebutting SOMETHING I NEVER SAID?? You keep telling me how group averages are not predictive of specific individual outcomes, but I NEVER SAID THEY WERE.
So - do white families have a different average income to black families, or not? You seem confused on that issue.
White families have different incomes from other white families, you fucking moron. Black families have different incomes from other black families. Many white families and black families have the same income as other white and black families. It isn't the skin color/race. I keep telling you the average isn't determinative for individuals because it's a point about the relationship between group averages and individual attributes/characteristics, which you keep missing because you're too fucking stupid to understand it, and worse, don't want to. And never mind that "average income" and "life outcomes" (whatever the fuck that means) don't equal conduct. There's a relationship, for sure, but it's indirect, w/other intervening, independent, and interdependent variables.
Also, quit bitching, like a complete fucking retard, about "SOMETHING I NEVER SAID??" while you simultaneously, hypocritically, and apparently unironically do this:
"So differences between racial groups don't exist? Interesting." "Plus according to you then we don’t even need to because everyone does just as well as everyone else! Congratulations, you just ended inequality - by the simple trick of pretending it doesn’t exist! Hooray!!" "According to you, women are just as tall as men and I’m a disgrace to even suggest otherwise."
See, that's YOU doing the very thing you claim that I'M doing. It's projection, for sure - I just haven't figured out if it's only stupidity or if you're also playing with a partial deck.
So we agree that white families have a different average family income from black families? Great, then we agree! I guess now that we agree that racial groups do experience different life outcomes we don’t need to converse any further, we’re already on the same page. Cbf reading the rest of your reply tho.
Farewell comrade, I’ll miss our little chats! So glad we could finally agree.
This is where we are: at the comment thread limit (so I have to post the reply HERE).
Yet again, fuck, you're stupid.
THE IMPLICATION, AGAIN, OF YOUR STUPID FUCKING ARGUMENT, IS THAT AVERAGES ACTUALLY MEAN SOMETHING FOR INDIVIDUALS. THEY DON'T. THE AVERAGE OF A RACE "GROUP'S" (WHICH ISN'T EVEN A REAL FUCKING GROUP, IT'S AN ABSTRACT LOGICAL GROUPING; THEY DON'T FUCKING KNOW EACH OTHER. THERE ARE 46 MILLION FUCKING BLACK AMERICANS; THEY'RE NOT A "GROUP," YOU FUCKING IDIOT) INCOME DOESN'T MEAN ANYTHING. AND THE "AVERAGES" AND THE ENTIRE DISTRIBUTION IS OVERLAPPING WITH THE SAME METRIC FOR OTHER RACE "GROUPS." THAT'S WHY I KEEP TELLING YOU THE SAME THING, BECAUSE, EVEN THOUGH YOU KEEP SAYING "I NEVER SAID THEY WERE!" YOUR ACTUAL ARGUMENT IS DEPENDENT ON ASSERTING THAT RELATIONSHIP. LOOK UPTHREAD, YOU FUCKING IDIOT - THE QUESTION IS, DOES RACE DETERMINE CULTURE WHICH DETERMINES CONDUCT. THE ANSWER IS "FUCKING NO." "STILL FUCKING NO." "FOR FUCK'S SAKE, YOU FUCKING MOUTH-BREATHING, HALF-WITTED, MONKEY-FUCKING, EXTRA-FUCKING-CHROMOSOME MORON: NO. SHOULDN'T YOU BE WEARING A HELMET, FOR INSURANCE PURPOSES?"
DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE DIFFERENT INCOME THAN ALL WHITE FAMILIES? NO. OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL WHITE FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER WHITE FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. DO ALL BLACK FAMILIES HAVE THE SAME INCOME AS ALL OTHER BLACK FAMILIES? NO, OBVIOUSLY. DO SOME? YES, OBVIOUSLY. WELL, THEN: IT ISN'T FUCKING RACE, YOU FUCKING MORON. YOUR CENTRAL PROBLEM, OTHER THAN BEING A FUCKING MORON, IS THAT YOU SPECIFICALLY DON'T UNDERSTAND THE RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN DEPENDENT, INDEPENDENT, CONFOUNDING, AND CONTROL VARIABLES. GUESS WHICH CATEGORY RACE FALLS INTO? I'LL GIVE YOU FOUR CHANCES: WRONG. WRONG. WRONG. RIGHT. THAT'S RIGHT, YOU STUPID FUCK: IT'S A CONTROL VARIABLE. IT'S NEITHER DEPENDENT, NOR INDEPENDENT AND CAUSAL, NOR CONFOUNDING BY INFLUENCING BOTH THE DEPENDENT AND INDEPENDENT VARIABLES. HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOT SEE THIS?
AND YET, FUCKING AGAIN, INCOME ISN'T A PROXY FOR "OUTCOME," WHATEVER THE FUCK "OUTCOME" MEANS. YOU'RE LITERALLY USING AN ILLOGICAL, BASELESS ARGUMENT ABOUT AN INAPPLICABLE ANALOG TO ILLUSTRATE YOUR INCORRECT SUPPOSITION ABOUT CHARACTERISTICS THAT AREN'T DETERMINED BY RACE. THAT'S HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. AND THEN YOU STRUT AROUND THE CHESS BOARD, LIKE THE PROVERBIAL SHITTING PIGEON, PLEASED WITH YOURSELF BECAUSE YOU'RE TOO FUCKING STUPID TO UNDERSTAND JUST EXACTLY HOW FUCKING STUPID YOU ARE. LOOK UP DUNNING-KRUGER, YOU STUPID FUCK; IT'S YOU. That's not enough fucks, but it's all I had.