Why do you keep rebutting SOMETHING I NEVER SAID?? You keep telling me how group averages are not predictive of specific individual outcomes, but I NEVER SAID THEY WERE.
So - do white families have a different average income to black families, or not? You seem confused on that issue.
White families have different incomes from other white families, you fucking moron. Black families have different incomes from other black families. Many white families and black families have the same income as other white and black families. It isn't the skin color/race. I keep telling you the average isn't determinative for individuals because it's a point about the relationship between group averages and individual attributes/characteristics, which you keep missing because you're too fucking stupid to understand it, and worse, don't want to. And never mind that "average income" and "life outcomes" (whatever the fuck that means) don't equal conduct. There's a relationship, for sure, but it's indirect, w/other intervening, independent, and interdependent variables.
Also, quit bitching, like a complete fucking retard, about "SOMETHING I NEVER SAID??" while you simultaneously, hypocritically, and apparently unironically do this:
"So differences between racial groups don't exist? Interesting."
"Plus according to you then we don’t even need to because everyone does just as well as everyone else! Congratulations, you just ended inequality - by the simple trick of pretending it doesn’t exist! Hooray!!"
"According to you, women are just as tall as men and I’m a disgrace to even suggest otherwise."
See, that's YOU doing the very thing you claim that I'M doing. It's projection, for sure - I just haven't figured out if it's only stupidity or if you're also playing with a partial deck.
So we agree that white families have a different average family income from black families? Great, then we agree! I guess now that we agree that racial groups do experience different life outcomes we don’t need to converse any further, we’re already on the same page. Cbf reading the rest of your reply tho.
Farewell comrade, I’ll miss our little chats! So glad we could finally agree.
"As a group, men are taller than women - I don’t really see how you can dispute this fact 🤷🏻♀️ I also don’t understand why you would want to, it’s not controversial. And I say that as a woman who’s taller than most men."
You're totally right: I can't dispute the fact that, as a group, men are taller than women. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DISPUTE THAT FACT, YOU FUCKING MORON.
If only you were smarter, instead of taller, it would really help this process. Let's try it this way, since all the simpler ways failed:
How many group heights are you? Are you, e.g. the height of a group of women? The height of a group of American women? The height of a group of white women? How does the "group height" (which isn't an attribute of the group, but in fact an abstraction of a mathematical calculation of the heights of what amounts to a random selection of women) affect YOUR height? Does it DETERMINE your height? The correct answer is: "no."
Individual height is NOT A FUNCTION of group height, because there IS NO GROUP HEIGHT - it's a calculated abstraction, not a measurable attribute.
Individual "outcome" is NOT A FUNCTION of group "outcome," for the same reason.
Correlation of a group value/characteristic/outcome to a controlled variable isn't a causal relationship, in either direction.
Conduct IS NOT an attribute and race isn't a independent variable with high correlation, let alone causality to conduct, as a dependent variable.
Why do you keep rebutting SOMETHING I NEVER SAID?? You keep telling me how group averages are not predictive of specific individual outcomes, but I NEVER SAID THEY WERE.
So - do white families have a different average income to black families, or not? You seem confused on that issue.
White families have different incomes from other white families, you fucking moron. Black families have different incomes from other black families. Many white families and black families have the same income as other white and black families. It isn't the skin color/race. I keep telling you the average isn't determinative for individuals because it's a point about the relationship between group averages and individual attributes/characteristics, which you keep missing because you're too fucking stupid to understand it, and worse, don't want to. And never mind that "average income" and "life outcomes" (whatever the fuck that means) don't equal conduct. There's a relationship, for sure, but it's indirect, w/other intervening, independent, and interdependent variables.
Also, quit bitching, like a complete fucking retard, about "SOMETHING I NEVER SAID??" while you simultaneously, hypocritically, and apparently unironically do this:
"So differences between racial groups don't exist? Interesting." "Plus according to you then we don’t even need to because everyone does just as well as everyone else! Congratulations, you just ended inequality - by the simple trick of pretending it doesn’t exist! Hooray!!" "According to you, women are just as tall as men and I’m a disgrace to even suggest otherwise."
See, that's YOU doing the very thing you claim that I'M doing. It's projection, for sure - I just haven't figured out if it's only stupidity or if you're also playing with a partial deck.
So we agree that white families have a different average family income from black families? Great, then we agree! I guess now that we agree that racial groups do experience different life outcomes we don’t need to converse any further, we’re already on the same page. Cbf reading the rest of your reply tho.
Farewell comrade, I’ll miss our little chats! So glad we could finally agree.
"As a group, men are taller than women - I don’t really see how you can dispute this fact 🤷🏻♀️ I also don’t understand why you would want to, it’s not controversial. And I say that as a woman who’s taller than most men."
You're totally right: I can't dispute the fact that, as a group, men are taller than women. THAT'S WHY I DIDN'T DISPUTE THAT FACT, YOU FUCKING MORON.
If only you were smarter, instead of taller, it would really help this process. Let's try it this way, since all the simpler ways failed:
How many group heights are you? Are you, e.g. the height of a group of women? The height of a group of American women? The height of a group of white women? How does the "group height" (which isn't an attribute of the group, but in fact an abstraction of a mathematical calculation of the heights of what amounts to a random selection of women) affect YOUR height? Does it DETERMINE your height? The correct answer is: "no."
Individual height is NOT A FUNCTION of group height, because there IS NO GROUP HEIGHT - it's a calculated abstraction, not a measurable attribute.
Individual "outcome" is NOT A FUNCTION of group "outcome," for the same reason.
Correlation of a group value/characteristic/outcome to a controlled variable isn't a causal relationship, in either direction.
Conduct IS NOT an attribute and race isn't a independent variable with high correlation, let alone causality to conduct, as a dependent variable.