This is why I hate this... If you talk to a fascist, the left has nothing in common with fascism. If you talk to a libertarian, the left and fascists are exactly the same.
It depends entirely on the perspective. I was trying to be balanced. The other guy is wrong about fascism but I wasn't going to get into it. Fascism is not collectivist. It's a well-balanced mixture of collectivism and individualism. The amount of control in a fascist State was actually much less than people realize but of course Nazi Germany and Italy during the war exhibited a lot more control, because even America and more liberal societies do in times of war.
Anyway, we could discuss it all night but to say the left and fascism have nothing in common is wrong from the perspective of a libertarian. Remember, libertarians only care about freedom from government and a fascist State is one that does exude much more government influence on people than modern America. Modern China for example is much closer to fascism than it is communism or the left and we can see how much control its government has compared to here.
I agree with your conclusion though. I personally have more in common with fascism than the left and here I am in MAGA territory.
The core of Fascism is collectivism. This was central to both Mussolini and Hitler. It only allows for a select few cronies to benefit under the state and they are controlled by the state. The Communist wants the factories to be run by the worker. The Fascist wants to let his friend who already knows how to run it do the work but not have a say in the direction of the work.
This is why I hate this... If you talk to a fascist, the left has nothing in common with fascism. If you talk to a libertarian, the left and fascists are exactly the same.
It depends entirely on the perspective. I was trying to be balanced. The other guy is wrong about fascism but I wasn't going to get into it. Fascism is not collectivist. It's a well-balanced mixture of collectivism and individualism. The amount of control in a fascist State was actually much less than people realize but of course Nazi Germany and Italy during the war exhibited a lot more control, because even America and more liberal societies do in times of war.
Anyway, we could discuss it all night but to say the left and fascism have nothing in common is wrong from the perspective of a libertarian. Remember, libertarians only care about freedom from government and a fascist State is one that does exude much more government influence on people than modern America. Modern China for example is much closer to fascism than it is communism or the left and we can see how much control its government has compared to here.
I agree with your conclusion though. I personally have more in common with fascism than the left and here I am in MAGA territory.
The core of Fascism is collectivism. This was central to both Mussolini and Hitler. It only allows for a select few cronies to benefit under the state and they are controlled by the state. The Communist wants the factories to be run by the worker. The Fascist wants to let his friend who already knows how to run it do the work but not have a say in the direction of the work.