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ObviatingTyranny 0 points ago +1 / -1

Freedom isn't the highest ideal. That's the gateway to nihilism. It's how we ended up here.

You think accepting the gay agenda has made society better, or worse? Weaker, or stronger?

What consenting adults do affects us all.

I never consented to having the abomination of homosexuality normalized.

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Farmerbob1 -1 points ago +0 / -1

Hrm. Really? You do not think Freedom is one of the highest ideals?

Do you know where this quote comes from?

"We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."

Freedom, or liberty, is the second listed unalienable right. Pursuit of happiness is the third listed unalienable right.

We might not agree with how others choose to pursue happiness, but they have the liberty to choose their own path.

I am Agnostic, but I know that even God allows people to make their own choices in life, and it's not your place to judge them. In fact, God forced people to make their own choices after that fateful apple. If a God exists, he'll do the judging, thank you very much.

That said, you are not required to support their choices, AND there is nothing to say you can't try to convince them to make choices that you would approve of.

IMHO, the line is crossed when the LGBTQetc community attempts to proselytize children, or worse, engage sexually with children.

IMHO, children should be allowed to mature without being herded into alternate sexualities before they have any concept of what sexuality even is.

I think we agree on important things, but we seem to disagree on how important freedom is.

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ObviatingTyranny 0 points ago +1 / -1

No, freedom is not the highest ideal. Obedience to God is. This is for our own good, as God's laws are ideal. If followed, they would create an ideal society with maximum happiness and prosperity. This doesn't happen because of sin.

Being agnostic, and poorly educated on Christianity, you repeat a common heresy about judgment.

It is not my place to judge another man's soul. I don't make a moral judgment about what kind of person a homosexual is. They are the same as me, weak, and flawed.

I absolutely judge other men's actions though. And homosexual acts are sin. Point. Blank. It's no different than stealing or murder or lying. All sin. It's not the same degree of a sin as murder is, but it is a sin. That doesn't mean homosexuals go to hell, or anything like that either. Those are also heresies. It means that you can go to hell for homosexual acts.

Being a sin, promoting or assisting is also a sin. Just as paying for an abortion is taking part in abortion, or voting pro-abortion politicians is assisting in abortions and thus sinning, promoting or tolerating homosexual acts including perverting holy matrimony beyond (than promoting state-sponsored or areligious marriage) a sacrament is a sin.

God is eternal, this is non-negotiable.

Freedom within the framework of God's laws is the second highest ideal.

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Farmerbob1 1 point ago +1 / -0

You do realize that not all sins are equal, even in the eyes of God?

He gave Moses 10 commandments, not 15, 50, 100, or 1000.

Since alternate sexualities are not in the top 10 sins, at best it is the 11th worst sin.

Ever since the Apple, God's laws cannot all be followed by mortal men. That's the whole reason behind Jesus, eh?

The mindset that your religion is how everyone else should live is only one explosive vest away from Aloha Slackware.