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RatioInvictus -8 points ago +2 / -10

Fuck this ignorant, historically illiterate noise.

THAT is the Confederate Battle Flag. A symbol of people who chose to preserve slavery, rather than the United States, and the banner of a vanquished foe. If you want to be a southern-American, instead of an American, then you're no better than all the other identitarians and hyphenators.

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Dman82 7 points ago +8 / -1

How about you go choke on a dick. Well how bout a whole bunch of dicks. I guess you think the war was all about slavery not even close.

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RatioInvictus -1 points ago +2 / -3

Well, if it was a dick your size, I guess I'd need a bunch to choke me. Like a passel. Or a couple bags full. Hard to say - probably your area of expertise, so I'll leave that to your experienced judgement.

Also, though, what kind of a bigoted, ignorant fucking retard "guesses" in support of their prejudice, instead of asking a simple fucking question? If you go to the store because you're out of milk, and then you get some other things while you're there, it doesn't change the fact that you WENT for milk. And so it is with the Civil War; the South WENT to war for slavery. The North WENT to war to preserve the United States. It's not complicated unless the factual assertion re: the South's effort to preserve slavery hurts your fee fees.

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Dman82 2 points ago +2 / -0

Damn did I hit a nerve my brother use to get like that when somebody told him to suck a dick. Turns out he was queer and felt like he was being outed, so if I made you feel that way I do apologize. As for guessing I wasn't sure how deep that white guilt filled pussy went you showed me so we can stop the guessing. The war was about taxation and government overreach taxes were raised by tarrifs and southern states paid 80% and they wanted to increase them by three times but your analogy on the grocery store works you just got the list backward. Even the papers called it a tariff war Secession hurt the south's chances as Lincoln had no desire to end slavery where it existed he said so in his inaugural address he believed he had no right. He promised to enforce fugitive slave laws. As for my small dick it has served me well in my life and as long as he keeps standing up I will be happy with him.

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RatioInvictus -1 points ago +1 / -2

TL:DR: you have a small dick, and you still cling to the bullshit premise that the south didn't start a civil war to try to preserve their "right" to hold slaves. At least you got to imagine a pussy and say the word; glad I could be here for you. I love how you insist you "hit a nerve," though, because the premise that you matter is critical for your psyche. Au contraire: this is what I always sound like when I'm responding to bullshit. Blah blah taxes, blah blah. Here is Jefferson Davis' own statement; note the appearance of the word tax (in any form) precisely ZERO fucking times, and the appearance of the word slavery FOUR times: http://www.civilwarcauses.org/davis.htm

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turdfurgeson 7 points ago +7 / -0

learn some history before regurgitating the leftists garbage. The civil war was not about slavery. The south had every right to secede.

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tom_machine 4 points ago +4 / -0

The confederacy had precious little to do with preserving slavery.

The war was waged because the north wanted to impose steep tariffs which would harm the southern states economically while enriching and empowering the federal government. They didn’t really give a fuck about slavery until the war had waged on, and President Lincoln freed the slaves primarily as a strategic move, not as a moral one. Although rhetorically, he claimed much credit, and as time went on his views and the views of many evolved to recognize the evils of slavery, the initials reasons for the war had far more to do with an economic and political power struggle between different regions of the country. On the one hand, you had the southern states, who provided much of the goods needed for trade. On the other hand you had the northern states, who controlled the majority of the international trading ports. The war was a power struggle between these two groups, and slavery was abolished as an effect of the war, not as its initial purpose.

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murph1953 3 points ago +3 / -0

The Senate passed the Morrill(Tariff) Act by a vote of 32 to 7 on June 10, 1862.

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RatioInvictus -4 points ago +1 / -5

You're as bad as the fucking leftists, with their revisionist history, but in your asinine version, the south were the victims, being preyed upon by the mercantilist north. It's even funnier if you read the whole thing with a southern (Cavalier) accent. The "purpose" of the war, which Lincoln tried to avoid, because he was trying to preserve the United States, was determined by the south, which chose to wage it. And WHY did they wage it? Saying it wasn't about slavery is just fucking ridiculous. What the fuck was the Missouri Compromise, and how the fuck do you go through that entire asinine diatribe without even fucking mentioning it? Talmadge passed in the House, but not the Senate. The Kansas-Nebraska Act effectively vacated the Missouri Compromise. The Republican party BEGAN, effectively, to oppose the expansion of slavery. Respectively, the priorities of the North/South:

  1. North (mostly Republican): a) preserve the United States, b) end slavery
  2. South (mostly Democrats): a) preserve the states' autonomy to sustain slavery, b) secede from the U.S. in order to preserve that autonomy. They didn't want more anti-slavery states, because then, they would have lost the slim margin they had in the Senate.
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tom_machine 5 points ago +5 / -0

Hey dipshit, thanks for your unresearched opinion.

Kindly go fuck yourself.

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RatioInvictus -3 points ago +1 / -4

Your disdain is praise for the rational man. In fact, though I'm no specialist in Civil War history, I've read a shit-ton of U.S. history and am well-read compared to pretty much everybody I ever meet, and I can't help but notice that you included no citations for your completely ignorant apologia. Southerners, with their fucking "pride and honor" refrain, rewriting history so they don't have to admit that a lot of people died because some of them didn't want to give up slaving.

Also, it's "unresearched," which is especially hilarious not just because it's not true, but because you called me a "dipshit" and can't even fucking spell all the words in a seven-word sentence correctly.

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murph1953 2 points ago +2 / -0

he Senate passed the Morrill(Tariff) Act by a vote of 32 to 7 on June 10, 1862.

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RatioInvictus -2 points ago +1 / -3

Have a point, psycho.

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TheGreaseman81 1 point ago +1 / -0

That flag was actually rejected by the Confederate Congress.

https://encyclopediavirginia.org/entries/confederate-battle-flag/

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RatioInvictus -3 points ago +1 / -4

Yeah, AND ADOPTED BY THE GENERALS IN THE FIELD.

Stop fucking around; this isn't leftist-world, where nobody fucking knows anything.

THAT flag is the flag of FUCKING TRAITORS to the U.S. and a VANQUISHED FOE. THAT'S WHAT THE WORDS "UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER" MEAN.

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TheGreaseman81 4 points ago +4 / -0

You are so easily trigger by someone with a different opinion then you it's hilarious. I hope that you seethe like this whenever you see someone with this flag in real life. In the meantime, please get yourself a clue, and research what the actual Confederate flag looks like.

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RatioInvictus -2 points ago +1 / -3

Replying to you and destroying your ignorant bullshit isn't "triggered;" "triggered" is exactly what leftists say when they have nothing substantive to respond with. And you don't. And I'm not seething, I'm just extraordinarily direct. Exactly like this, IRL. Like you, a lot of people get butthurt over it, which is their privilege and right, and which I don't give any more of a damn about than I care about yours.

"Please get yourself a clue..." LOL. You couldn't keep up with me on my bad days, clownworld. I'm out of patience with ignorant bullshit, regardless of where it comes from on the political spectrum. You don't get to rewrite history because it hurts your feefees, and you're still a worthless fucking distraction. Stupidity like this is what helped lead to all the useless factionalism that has been fucking away time and resources while the leftists/statists accrue power.