For fuck's sake; I gave you the link; read Jefferson Davis' OWN statement. Then try to tell me again how you know better than the President of the Fucking Confederate States what his motivation was.
Again, I HAVE read history. Extensively. Not a fucking article by a guy trying to parlay it into a criticism of Trump over tariffs, but real, actual scholars judged on the QUALITY of their work, not the quantity. "He's prolific!" Well, jumping off a cliff is "efficient," but that's not the best metric to asses alternatives to descend.
You appear to be a fucking idiot, repeatedly making claims like "you show so little compassion for people" (seriously; WHO have I talked about other other than people clinging to that fucking flag and the delusion that the civil war was about anything more than it was about slavery, and the south's desire to sustain and propagate it?).
"There wasn't a nation in the world who denounced slavery at the get go until very recently." Uh, wut? In what retard-land is that a coherent fucking sentence? Jefferson tried to put an anti-slavery statement into the Declaration of Independence, almost 90 years before the Civil War. They KNEW it was wrong. I'm not blaming the U.S. for having slavery; it was here before the U.S. was formed. It persisted, world-wide, after the U.S. was formed. But, unlike other countries, it was in conflict with our stated and founding values regarding the rights of man. And it's delusion to suggest otherwise.
And, what EXACTLY is your fucking point, jumping from the 1860s and the south's motivation to "the current administration?" What kind of fucking retard-logic is that? "Duhhhh - Biden, so Rebel Flag!!!!" I mean, seriously: what the fuck?
"People talk about slavery like it was always known to be this unconscionable, unforgivable evil. And yet, the war wasn't fought by Union to annihilate all the slave traders... it was fought to keep the seceding states under one united country. Out of this move have arisen many of the political problems that we are dealing with today."
WHAT PEOPLE, retard? WHAT "PEOPLE" are those? They CERTAINLY knew in 1776! "We hold these truths to be self-evident" is pretty fucking clear! And, yet a-fucking-gain: THE WAR WAS FOUGHT BECAUSE THE SOUTH STARTED THE FUCKING WAR (Lincoln wins, SC legislature passes Ordinance of Secession, SC starts seizing military bases, then MS, FL, AL, GA, and LA join them, fires on Ft. Sumter. Period, end of story.). AND WHY DID THEY START THE FUCKING WAR, FOR FUCK'S SAKE? It's RIGHT FUCKING HERE(http://www.historianstevecampbell.com/uploads/4/4/6/5/44657359/south_carolina_ordinance_of_secession_1860.pdf), you IGNORANT FUCK. Stop telling ME to learn history and read the fucking original sources; see if you can find the fucking word "tax" or "taxes" or "taxation" in it. Good luck. But you'll find a whole BUNCH of "slave," and "slavery" in it. Because THAT is why they went to war. You want it to be more nuanced. You NEED it to be more nuanced. But it ISN'T more nuanced. Wealthy southern landowners and slaveholders controlled the political power in the south and they didn't want to give up slaves. Period. End of fucking story. Sorry: they were assholes. They got a lot of people killed. But again, more to the point, THEY FUCKING LOST. THAT flag is the flag of fucking traitors and the flag of a vanquished foe, it has no business on any staff in this country and if it was on fire, I wouldn't piss on it to put it out.
Your cognitive dissonance is painful, and a waste of my time. Read the original sources. You're ignorant and you're adamant about it.
I skimmed through your bullshit. All men are created equal was about the monarchy. The men who wrote that owned slaves.
I don't need it to be nuanced or not. You need to oversimplify it so your hyper emotional pea brain can understand it. It's a shame you've let your hatred of other men get in the way of your understanding of history.
LOL. My "pea brain?" I'm in the 150s, you fucking moron, and "skimming" seems like a charitable description of your abilities.
"All men are created equal" was about John Locke, FROM John Locke's Second Treatise, repeated in the Declaration authored by Jefferson and edited by the committee of five, and about Locke's expressed theory of natural rights. The monarchy:subject dynamic was ONE application of the theory of natural rights, not either its origin or terminus, and of those men, which neither disavowed nor spoke, nor worked against slavery, having concluded it was immoral?
I'm oversimplifying FOR YOU, and I have no "hatred of other men," but I can't fucking stand bullies, frauds, and idiots, which turns out to comprise a not-insignificant portion of the population, present company included.
Again, just to be clear: fuck that flag and anyone who honors it, and especially anyone who engages is panty-pissing apologia about what that flag represented or the flagbearers engaged in war for.
You’re welcome for taking the time to interpret that chicken scratch of a second paragraph, genius boy.
If all it took to found a country was five moral men drafting a letter to the king, then you’d be right in arguing that the USA had condemned slavery since its birth. You’d have to also concede that every bum on the corner could start one with his drinking buddies.
The nation of which we speak is and was made up of more than five men. At no point did these five men, or their contemporaries, moral and just as they be, find in their lifetimes the courage, conviction, or muster, to cast out all slavers from the nation they had all built together of their own hard fought blood sweat and tears.
You aren’t oversimplifying for me. You are oversimplifying a diverse nation of people to fit inside your own narrow views of what right and wrong are.
You’ll have to forgive me for not understanding the difference between hatred and “can’t fucking stand”. I must need a few more IQ points for that one. By the way just so you have a bit more perspective (which I’ve found to be tremendously more valuable than IQ points, YMMV) my father tests above 160. He has a PhD in economics, votes third party, and stocks shelves in a grocery store.
Here is a short film having to do with the topic of prejudice and the battle flag. I hope you like it.
For fuck's sake; I gave you the link; read Jefferson Davis' OWN statement. Then try to tell me again how you know better than the President of the Fucking Confederate States what his motivation was.
Again, I HAVE read history. Extensively. Not a fucking article by a guy trying to parlay it into a criticism of Trump over tariffs, but real, actual scholars judged on the QUALITY of their work, not the quantity. "He's prolific!" Well, jumping off a cliff is "efficient," but that's not the best metric to asses alternatives to descend.
You appear to be a fucking idiot, repeatedly making claims like "you show so little compassion for people" (seriously; WHO have I talked about other other than people clinging to that fucking flag and the delusion that the civil war was about anything more than it was about slavery, and the south's desire to sustain and propagate it?).
"There wasn't a nation in the world who denounced slavery at the get go until very recently." Uh, wut? In what retard-land is that a coherent fucking sentence? Jefferson tried to put an anti-slavery statement into the Declaration of Independence, almost 90 years before the Civil War. They KNEW it was wrong. I'm not blaming the U.S. for having slavery; it was here before the U.S. was formed. It persisted, world-wide, after the U.S. was formed. But, unlike other countries, it was in conflict with our stated and founding values regarding the rights of man. And it's delusion to suggest otherwise.
And, what EXACTLY is your fucking point, jumping from the 1860s and the south's motivation to "the current administration?" What kind of fucking retard-logic is that? "Duhhhh - Biden, so Rebel Flag!!!!" I mean, seriously: what the fuck?
"People talk about slavery like it was always known to be this unconscionable, unforgivable evil. And yet, the war wasn't fought by Union to annihilate all the slave traders... it was fought to keep the seceding states under one united country. Out of this move have arisen many of the political problems that we are dealing with today."
WHAT PEOPLE, retard? WHAT "PEOPLE" are those? They CERTAINLY knew in 1776! "We hold these truths to be self-evident" is pretty fucking clear! And, yet a-fucking-gain: THE WAR WAS FOUGHT BECAUSE THE SOUTH STARTED THE FUCKING WAR (Lincoln wins, SC legislature passes Ordinance of Secession, SC starts seizing military bases, then MS, FL, AL, GA, and LA join them, fires on Ft. Sumter. Period, end of story.). AND WHY DID THEY START THE FUCKING WAR, FOR FUCK'S SAKE? It's RIGHT FUCKING HERE(http://www.historianstevecampbell.com/uploads/4/4/6/5/44657359/south_carolina_ordinance_of_secession_1860.pdf), you IGNORANT FUCK. Stop telling ME to learn history and read the fucking original sources; see if you can find the fucking word "tax" or "taxes" or "taxation" in it. Good luck. But you'll find a whole BUNCH of "slave," and "slavery" in it. Because THAT is why they went to war. You want it to be more nuanced. You NEED it to be more nuanced. But it ISN'T more nuanced. Wealthy southern landowners and slaveholders controlled the political power in the south and they didn't want to give up slaves. Period. End of fucking story. Sorry: they were assholes. They got a lot of people killed. But again, more to the point, THEY FUCKING LOST. THAT flag is the flag of fucking traitors and the flag of a vanquished foe, it has no business on any staff in this country and if it was on fire, I wouldn't piss on it to put it out.
Your cognitive dissonance is painful, and a waste of my time. Read the original sources. You're ignorant and you're adamant about it.
I"m not even gonna read this. You are a rude idiot incapable of civil discourse.
I skimmed through your bullshit. All men are created equal was about the monarchy. The men who wrote that owned slaves.
I don't need it to be nuanced or not. You need to oversimplify it so your hyper emotional pea brain can understand it. It's a shame you've let your hatred of other men get in the way of your understanding of history.
LOL. My "pea brain?" I'm in the 150s, you fucking moron, and "skimming" seems like a charitable description of your abilities.
"All men are created equal" was about John Locke, FROM John Locke's Second Treatise, repeated in the Declaration authored by Jefferson and edited by the committee of five, and about Locke's expressed theory of natural rights. The monarchy:subject dynamic was ONE application of the theory of natural rights, not either its origin or terminus, and of those men, which neither disavowed nor spoke, nor worked against slavery, having concluded it was immoral?
I'm oversimplifying FOR YOU, and I have no "hatred of other men," but I can't fucking stand bullies, frauds, and idiots, which turns out to comprise a not-insignificant portion of the population, present company included.
Again, just to be clear: fuck that flag and anyone who honors it, and especially anyone who engages is panty-pissing apologia about what that flag represented or the flagbearers engaged in war for.
You’re welcome for taking the time to interpret that chicken scratch of a second paragraph, genius boy.
If all it took to found a country was five moral men drafting a letter to the king, then you’d be right in arguing that the USA had condemned slavery since its birth. You’d have to also concede that every bum on the corner could start one with his drinking buddies.
The nation of which we speak is and was made up of more than five men. At no point did these five men, or their contemporaries, moral and just as they be, find in their lifetimes the courage, conviction, or muster, to cast out all slavers from the nation they had all built together of their own hard fought blood sweat and tears.
You aren’t oversimplifying for me. You are oversimplifying a diverse nation of people to fit inside your own narrow views of what right and wrong are.
You’ll have to forgive me for not understanding the difference between hatred and “can’t fucking stand”. I must need a few more IQ points for that one. By the way just so you have a bit more perspective (which I’ve found to be tremendously more valuable than IQ points, YMMV) my father tests above 160. He has a PhD in economics, votes third party, and stocks shelves in a grocery store.
Here is a short film having to do with the topic of prejudice and the battle flag. I hope you like it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32NqTLcAaIM