They'll sic the far left detectives on him and throw and bunch of BS charges on him, run his bank account dry, force him to sell his house, then drop all the false charges when he's homeless. That's the way is works in Portland and other Nazi areas.
Does anyone think that a bunch of Trump supporters would get away with throwing rocks and paints at cars right in front of cops all day long? It's utterly insane, it's as though the law just "turns off" as soon as antifa is around, and then turns on the moment anybody stands up to them.
Meanwhile you can hear the antifa people on video saying about the guy who defended himself, "If he were a black man he would have been shot right now!" This coming out of the mouth of somebody who is apparently invisible to cops and is free to vandalize and assault people with impunity.
My brain can't even process it. The levels of cognitive dissonance in these people is so high it's giving me second-hand cognitive dissonance--a cognitive dissonance that comes from being unable to resolve the apparent impossibility of somebody having so much fucking cognitive dissonance.
The only conclusion I can come to is that there is no way that these people honestly believe the bullshit that is coming out of their mouth. All of it is just a very dishonest and evil performance they are putting on.
lol bullshit. They allowed the CHAZ to exist for a few weeks, then they started getting uppity near Durkin's residence and she had it wiped out first thing Monday morning.
If Trump supporters got violent it would be WACO 2. Don't expect that organizing and being violent means that the police will leave you alone, that's foolish and dangerous.
I didn't say violence wouldn't be necessary. I said people need to understand what happens when the establishment feels threatened, even by Antifa. Be prepared to have faceoffs with SWAT and the NG if you're in a group of violent Trump supporters. The police won't be told to ignore you like they ignore these people.
Yeah if Trump supporters actually started to use violence, we'd be domestic terrorists just for posting here.
So don't do it. It's a bad move. Read your battlefield and plan your attack accordingly.
Is it possible in a hypothetical sci-fi kind of way that we'll devolve into battfield America? Of course because anything is possible.
Until and and unless that happens this is a civil civil war that is fought over public opinion and laws and who gets a voice in the media and schoolboards and zoning boards and judgeships and city councils.
Don't tell me that shit doesn't work. That's exactly how the enemy took ground.
At a high level, they - and this means, the uniparty - took ground by ignoring the law and never being held accountable for it. Whether it's just ignoring voting law like in PA, or DAs dropping charges against violent rioters, or increasingly restrictive 2A violations, or even just Hunter flagrantly committing federal crimes around firearms, drugs and sex.
Our weakness was enforcing the law evenly where we had the power to decide how it was enforced. They enforce it only against us, anyone on their side is nobility who cannot be touched. In the same manner, we did not attempt to brainwash anyone in schools - we taught facts, history, math as they were. We didn't have classes or programs dedicated to "anti-Marxism", and I think even now, given the opportunity, we wouldn't.
Our ideology isn't really compatible with how the enemy took ground because we believe in individual freedoms and small government. We don't use the power of the state to oppress our opposition.
Unfortunately, coups like this are not defeated by school boards or city councils. They're generally defeated by overwhelming violence under a politically opposed brand of authoritarianism.
Our ideology isn't really compatible with how the enemy took ground because we believe in individual freedoms and small government. We don't use the power of the state to oppress our opposition.
Sure govt. will take every freedom you have if you let it. They way to not LET it is to convince people besides yourself not to let it. It is about hearts and minds. If that's not your balliwick, not your strong suit then you're a civilian in this war not a warrior.
I agree we need to go on the offense . Banning trans shit is a good start and so is banning CRT. Then we go into the schools with a curiculum whic teaches the truth about our country its people and history. We teach civics. We teac h the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. As in olden times. That's a start. None of that is going to happen by opting out of civil society as you recommend.
Using violence just gives them what they want. We all know that. Whenever i hear someone call for violence I am 90% of the way to believing they're the opposition in disguise. It's os obvious that that would give them exactly what they need to destroy us once and for all.
Have you ever been in a nation that is experiencing a civil war? I didn't think so. You have no idea what happens.
With a 90% probablity, yuou're antifa or some sucj shit. With a 10% probability you're just an arm chair game playing idiot.
We're living in Weimar Germany and we know what the outcome of that was. I'm just curious about how you see all of this going. Like, step-by-step, what is the plan that involves the uniparty handing power back to the people, given that they haven't faced consequences for anything including stealing the presidency - thus indicating they will do it again if they want?
If you're so familiar with what happens in times like this, please educate me on a similar situation where an election was blatantly stolen and the people it was stolen from eventually reclaimed power peacefully. That's not sarcasm, I realize I may not be educated enough to understand how you think this is going to go.
I don't believe so. Every organization is now filled with radical left wing activists (including police departments). They protect their own. See DA's dropping charges left and right for them.
Even worse is that, I think, a majority of people in Antifa are a mob of white college leftist commies, a ton of hypocrites who virtue signal about "white man bad" but then think they themselves are immune to the law.
Why? He saw a guy with a gun and controlled him. When he had a chance to investigate why the gun had been drawn, the victim was released without charges. It's not his fault some folks on this forum went full ACAB before all the facts were in.
That cop had been watching the Antifags assault people all day, and did nothing. The moment one of the victims pulled a weapon to defend himself, the cop was on him like white on left-wing targets.
That's a political order from higher up. We've known they've been told to stand down for at least the last year. What's he going to do, defy the Antifag mayor and ruin his own career over a gang of scumbags who vastly outnumbered him (and would eagerly kill him) and would only be cut loose again anyway? If he hadn't intervened that guy would have had to shoot some of them. Not to say that's a bad thing, but then he would have been truly fucked. The officer kept the peace as best he could while handcuffed, defusing the scene and getting the victim out of the clutches of those animals, and while I also wish he had done a lot more I know the grunts on the street aren't the ones making these calls. Hang the fucking ringleaders and the blue line will be able to do their jobs.
"Just following orders." It's a wonderful excuse, with a wonderful history of protecting those who "just followed orders" as opposed to doing what is right. Yes, he absolutely should defy the Antifag mayor.
Got it. "Comply with them to avoid any punishment the left will throw at you. Kneel for Antifa because they'll throw rocks through your windows if you refuse. Give your kids puberty blockers because they'll try to take your kids from you if you don't. Surrender to the left completely because I'm too much of a coward to follow the Constitution."
He arrested someone for defending themselves while watching douchebags break the law all day long. Fuck him.
I've supported law enforcement all my life. Now too often I hear the same shit that the fucking literal Nazis used as an excuse at Nuremburg: just following orders.
All cops might not be bastards, but by now they're at least bastard adjacent.
If they'd just do their fucking jobs and start arresting Democrats instead of just the Democrat's enemies, I might have some faith restored. Until then, I say again, fuck em.
They're supposed to "just follow orders". The alternative is roving bands of mercenaries making up and enforcing their own rules, which is exactly what we're trying to prevent. FFS doesn't anyone understand the separation of powers anymore? It's the bastard command structure that's the enemy of America. If the city doesn't have the cops' backs and won't prosecute terrorists then the gumshoes are as helpless as the rest of us. It's not like they're the ones throwing rocks at trucks.
Totally understood, and you are totally correct, both about the situation and about the officer's motivations.
The problem is that the political situation is becoming untenable, and the police are being used to set up a situation where one side can use political violence and the other cannot.
To wit: They are being used as political pawns.
There comes a point where they HAVE to decide what side they are on. The side of Freedom, or the side of the state. Because regardless of their desire to just have a job, collect a paycheck and go home, they are, as human beings and as police officers sworn to uphold the law and the Constitution, required to be aware of what they are doing and must, by both the Constitution and the general moral order of humanity, prevent themselves from being turned into jackbooted thugs.
At some point they MUST say "No" or they become morally no better than the Stasi or the Gestapo.
We reached that point when Antifa became a thing. The time for choosing is upon us all.
I hear what you're saying. We're all caught between the Scylla and Charybdis here, and neither choice seems like a winning move. I guess I'm just playing the devil's advocate to keep this forum from sliding into another anarchist echo chamber. I understand why folks are so upset that nothing ever seems to get done, and I am too, I just think the police need more support enforcing the law, not more enemies. I'm not claiming to be right and accusing everyone else of being wrong though, it's just one man's point of view in a world gone mad. I feel like a ship cast adrift in a storm with no light to guide my way safely home. This whole scene is a clusterfuck that seems to have no ideal solution. I guess that's why nobody ever says "war is a Sunday picnic" eh? Goddamn commies. I really hate 'em for what they're doing to my beloved country.
Honestly, I think we need to be better at selling ourselves to the Police. We need to have some kind of an "in" with police groups that will allow us to step up and do what needs to be done while knowing they have our backs.
Right now Antifa has the "in" via their connection with the political Police brass and politicians. However, if there was a way we could spread the word among the rank and file Police that as long as they continue to just "not interfere" and allow Patriots to have free reign in dealing with the black bloc thugs, then we could organize and step up to clear them out.
They have to be willing to "turn a blind eye" to citizen action against Antifa. If they continue to enforce ONLY one side, they are going to make enemies, which if this forum is any indication, is already beginning to happen.
Conservatives and the right in general are by and large the "Law and Order" group. We are, to use the old D&D appellation; "Lawful Good". We are the natural Allies of the Police.
However, if the Police continue to allow themselves to be used and continue to willingly enforce a double standard, then there is no reason NOT to switch to "Chaotic Good" or even "Unlawful Good". In that case, we will be enemies, and they will have a very hard time of it indeed.
Remember that when dealing with a despotic state, either communist or otherwise, the choice will always be made as difficult as possible by the despots. They will make it easy to just "Go along to get along" and hard to stand for what is right.
Right choices are always simple, but rarely easy.
However, just because it is a hard choice, just because the situation is difficult, does not mean that the men and women of the Police forces of the United States are not called to make those right choices. They are.
As I said before: The time for choosing is upon us all.
Roving bands of mercenaries is what we have now. What else would you call Antifa? We have them on camera accepting money for the shit they do. Violence for cash. The literal definition of mercenaries.
And now thanks to these douche bag cops letting them get away with it...citizens are now second class in their own country and the shit's getting deeper every day.
You ask what they should do? Every time they see those fuckers break a law, arrest them. Who cares what the bosses said? You think the cop is going to get arrested for making an illegal arrest? If he does, how different is that from our own brothers and sisters risking life and limb?
Let me be clear here: FUCK EVERY COP THAT ALLOWS ANTIFA TO DO THIS SHIT. Fuck every cop that knew and didn't arrest Hunter for all kinds of crimes. Fuck all these cops helping the NWO being installed with masks and shit. At this point, that's the overwhelming majority of them. Most cops would fit right into the SS these days.
And before you get your panties in a bunch, understand this: I WAS A FUCKING COP. Fuck this new breed and the Lefty transgender horse they rode in on. (It's really a pig).
He was clearly the victim before he was arrested, antifa had been throwing rocks at vehicles all day the cops had yet to do anything prior. This was done in this way to deter others from standing up against antifa. FYI if you haven't figured it out yet the cops and antifa are on the same side of the commie coin, the entire "ACAB" crap was for show.
Police are obedient meat heads that want to collect a paycheck and retire comfortably. They will follow any and all orders, regardless of what the US Constitution says, if it means keeping their jobs.
Antifa and the Democrat mayors, governors, prosecutors, DA's et cetera, are all on the same side.
If a patriot mayor told the police to have no mercy on antifa and shut them down, they would do it.
Chill out fren, you sound like a leftist with a stick up his ass. I wasn't attacking you or your character no need to get all hostile or upset. You implied that cops will follow the orders of whoever they are severing under, so I replied that just following orders is never an excuse. Even if a cop is blindly following orders you agree with it doesn't make it the correct course of action since just following orders isn't legitimate reasoning.
What did I say that promoted authoritarian redistribution of wealth and the public ownership of anything the mob deems valuable? That's a stupid accusation. I was correct in my rapid assessment of you.
so I replied that just following orders is never an excuse. Even if a cop is blindly following orders you agree with it doesn't make it the BLAAA BLAAA BLAAAAAAA...
Totally not reminiscent of a virtue-warrior wall of text after accusing me of "sounding like a leftist," lmao not to mention still doesn't explain why your response was relevant.
I argued that the cops are official employees of the government that will do whatever they're paid to, not loyal zealots. Your argument is "but that doesn't make it OK" which I don't understand why the fuck you think I'm saying it is.
I'm saying they're not idealistic commies like antifa. They're just basic bros that want to get paid for cracking skulls and calling people "individuals" like Idiocracy.
This should be a lesson to you stupid fucking retards. If you bring a gun, use it. If you pull it out of the holster, pull the trigger within 1 second.
You're already being targeted for slaughter. Hesitating now just means more children and innocents will be killed by the animals you spare.
And stop getting out of your cars to face a group on your own. The cops probably saved this man's life.
Drive away, come back later.
Drive away, come back later.
Repeat that mantra. Do not act in the heat of the moment. Get in a group, return later in black clothes.
This is sound advice. If you carry daily, then you know it's crucial to be able to deescalate and be the bigger person in that moment, even if it seems unfair. It's the difference between going home to your family or going to prison. Know when it's actually worth it to pull your gun, and if you've gotten that far and made that decision, then you pull the trigger without hesitation.
It is clear that Antifa's tactics work, and ours don't. Yes they have everyone on their side in MSM and the corrupt government branches, but Antifa supporters know all they have to do is dress a certain way and turn up at a particular place at a particular time. It's very easy to get people to turn up using that tactic.
Rather than creating groups such as Proud Boys, Oath Keepers etc, we should just copy Antifa's tactics and group ourselves under the common AntiCom label, everyone dress in blue etc.
By creating groups we're giving the media/FBI etc a hierarchy to attack and vilify. If people know to just turn up and dress in blue (or any other color) and that they don't have to associate themselves with a particular group, they might be more willing to get involved.
Of course Antifa is a group, we all know that, but there are certainly many thousands of people who do turn up and call themselves Antifa, but aren't a "member" of any group.
We need to use their tactics against them.
Yes we could use the term "Patriots" but I think that just works against us, Antifa call themselves "Patriots" too. The name needs to have a specific meaning; Anti Communist.
OMIGOD doomers OMIGOD !!! The system worked as designed !!!!
Cops are there to diffuse the bomb of the situation in the manner they deem effective, collect evidence and people and bring it all before the DA and a judge.
That's their job. They did their job. The system ground forth. It spewed out its result. The result was just.
When it works, this is how your system works.
Sorry. If you have the gun in hand, you're the bomb in the situation no matter what.
Drop the gun, put your hands in the air while explaining yourself and giving them your version of events. Do this and you'll live to see justice if justice is on your side.
Yes it goes wrong. Yes McCloskey's and Rittenhouse. Yes. I agree with every word. Chauvin did nothing wrong. All agreed all the way around. DA's are filth in these cases. Agreed. We have to let the system work through these cases. Let that happen and see what our battlefield position is.
Look you have mayors and DAs and governors who are psychopathic leftists in this nation. They're all elected people !
Wheeler is still mayor of Portland because people there haven't seen fit to un-elected him.
It's up to the people of these areas to do that. Double dittos DAs. In LA they are recalling their Soros DA. That's how it works.
Ultimately, your argument is not with even these assclowns, it's with the morons that elect them.
Newsflash- we're a 80-20 divided nation. 20% of this nation is literally insane. The other 80% if you scratch the surface are still more or less sane. Maybe half of those are still on the learning curve and still vote D.
All in all this is a good outcome. Let's be realistic. If the world had not gone to shit and antifa didn't exist and the police were oathkeepers, we would want this outcome. We wouldn't want people waving guns around without being stopped and questioned by police and let go with no charges if they did nothing wrong.
In this world, that is still a good outcome on the side of the patriot, but we would prefer if the antifa agitators were brought to justice.
Except for one thing. The media, the enemy of the people, put this guys name out there and doxxed him. These journalists deserve to live in fear of being shot.
These cops are fucking useless. I’m done “backing the blue.” They don’t do shit when it counts. Politicians tell them NOT to enforce the law while felonies are committed and these cunts stand down. They should have their pay docked, go home and let my friend Smith & Wesson do their job for them.
All one need do is 'Haunt' the same 'channels' and socials they do if one can stomach it...
They physically operate in 'cells' but are highly organized on-line despite what we're led to believe.
...its relatively easy to pick up their chatter if one knows what to look for. A lot of them are Homos and Pedos so that's what they're drawn to in their 'downtime'...
It really sucks to see the cancer that is antifa growing here in Oregon. I may finally cave in and have to purchase a... tool for home defense. Hopefully I'll never have to use it, but with things escalating here I would feel a lot safer if I had something to defend myself with.
Should have invested in those tools for installing your home security a while back. The powers that be have decreed that supplies of consumables required for using those tools, are strictly limited and not made available in large quantities to the general public.
You might be able to acquire the tools you need, but getting consumables may be a problem.
The cordless power drill is worthless without drill bits to go with it. Sabre and circular power saws are useless without the blades that go with them.
Stop being lone gun-men. This idiot should have just driven away, then returned with 10 others in black to mow down anti-freedom before dispersing and preparing for another defensive action.
Were we better organized, all he would have had to do is call in a frost call to his buddies. That would have connected to other links, and within 15 minutes, Antifa would have had a small army of the man's friends to contend with.
Tell the police to butt out, brush Antifa back, and get their friend out of there ASAP.
It's going to come to this at some point. We might as well begin organizing for it, and stop being afraid of the glowies.
It's okay they'll send antifa to his house to dish out the justice they wanted to
Sounds like he'll be needing those weapons again...
Hopefully he actually uses them to defend himself and his property
They'll sic the far left detectives on him and throw and bunch of BS charges on him, run his bank account dry, force him to sell his house, then drop all the false charges when he's homeless. That's the way is works in Portland and other Nazi areas.
We need to start thinking about visiting them for some peaceful protesting
Who? Salem?
Let us know how that works out.
Not good enough. Cop should be indicted on treason.
Does anyone think that a bunch of Trump supporters would get away with throwing rocks and paints at cars right in front of cops all day long? It's utterly insane, it's as though the law just "turns off" as soon as antifa is around, and then turns on the moment anybody stands up to them.
Meanwhile you can hear the antifa people on video saying about the guy who defended himself, "If he were a black man he would have been shot right now!" This coming out of the mouth of somebody who is apparently invisible to cops and is free to vandalize and assault people with impunity.
My brain can't even process it. The levels of cognitive dissonance in these people is so high it's giving me second-hand cognitive dissonance--a cognitive dissonance that comes from being unable to resolve the apparent impossibility of somebody having so much fucking cognitive dissonance.
The only conclusion I can come to is that there is no way that these people honestly believe the bullshit that is coming out of their mouth. All of it is just a very dishonest and evil performance they are putting on.
The law is scared of Antifa because they actually use violence.
We don't so they don't give two shits about us.
That's the difference... VIOLENCE WORKS
The best way to deal with violence is for good men to be better at it.
Welp, seems like our side better step up. In Minecraft.
Too late. 1/6 has passed and nothing happened. Now they're going to throw us in camps for not using their vaccine passports
Yup
lol bullshit. They allowed the CHAZ to exist for a few weeks, then they started getting uppity near Durkin's residence and she had it wiped out first thing Monday morning.
If Trump supporters got violent it would be WACO 2. Don't expect that organizing and being violent means that the police will leave you alone, that's foolish and dangerous.
But just letting the totalitarians win isn’t? I’m not sure about you, but I don’t want my future children to grow up under Communism if I can help it.
I didn't say violence wouldn't be necessary. I said people need to understand what happens when the establishment feels threatened, even by Antifa. Be prepared to have faceoffs with SWAT and the NG if you're in a group of violent Trump supporters. The police won't be told to ignore you like they ignore these people.
There's a reason why Patriots dressed as Indians when they dumped the Tea in Boston harbor. Think about it.
You've got a point there.
Yeah if Trump supporters actually started to use violence, we'd be domestic terrorists just for posting here.
So don't do it. It's a bad move. Read your battlefield and plan your attack accordingly.
Is it possible in a hypothetical sci-fi kind of way that we'll devolve into battfield America? Of course because anything is possible.
Until and and unless that happens this is a civil civil war that is fought over public opinion and laws and who gets a voice in the media and schoolboards and zoning boards and judgeships and city councils.
Don't tell me that shit doesn't work. That's exactly how the enemy took ground.
At a high level, they - and this means, the uniparty - took ground by ignoring the law and never being held accountable for it. Whether it's just ignoring voting law like in PA, or DAs dropping charges against violent rioters, or increasingly restrictive 2A violations, or even just Hunter flagrantly committing federal crimes around firearms, drugs and sex.
Our weakness was enforcing the law evenly where we had the power to decide how it was enforced. They enforce it only against us, anyone on their side is nobility who cannot be touched. In the same manner, we did not attempt to brainwash anyone in schools - we taught facts, history, math as they were. We didn't have classes or programs dedicated to "anti-Marxism", and I think even now, given the opportunity, we wouldn't.
Our ideology isn't really compatible with how the enemy took ground because we believe in individual freedoms and small government. We don't use the power of the state to oppress our opposition.
Unfortunately, coups like this are not defeated by school boards or city councils. They're generally defeated by overwhelming violence under a politically opposed brand of authoritarianism.
Sure govt. will take every freedom you have if you let it. They way to not LET it is to convince people besides yourself not to let it. It is about hearts and minds. If that's not your balliwick, not your strong suit then you're a civilian in this war not a warrior.
I agree we need to go on the offense . Banning trans shit is a good start and so is banning CRT. Then we go into the schools with a curiculum whic teaches the truth about our country its people and history. We teach civics. We teac h the Bill of Rights and the Constitution. As in olden times. That's a start. None of that is going to happen by opting out of civil society as you recommend.
Using violence just gives them what they want. We all know that. Whenever i hear someone call for violence I am 90% of the way to believing they're the opposition in disguise. It's os obvious that that would give them exactly what they need to destroy us once and for all.
Have you ever been in a nation that is experiencing a civil war? I didn't think so. You have no idea what happens.
With a 90% probablity, yuou're antifa or some sucj shit. With a 10% probability you're just an arm chair game playing idiot.
We're living in Weimar Germany and we know what the outcome of that was. I'm just curious about how you see all of this going. Like, step-by-step, what is the plan that involves the uniparty handing power back to the people, given that they haven't faced consequences for anything including stealing the presidency - thus indicating they will do it again if they want?
If you're so familiar with what happens in times like this, please educate me on a similar situation where an election was blatantly stolen and the people it was stolen from eventually reclaimed power peacefully. That's not sarcasm, I realize I may not be educated enough to understand how you think this is going to go.
I don't believe so. Every organization is now filled with radical left wing activists (including police departments). They protect their own. See DA's dropping charges left and right for them.
Nobody is scared of antifa
The cops are complicit
LOL the supreme court admitted they were scared of Antifa that's why they didn't heard Trump's case.
The cops are following orders.
Same reason the police don't go into cracktown, they instead enforce law in the suburbs.
Has anyone sued the city? Lots of evidence dereliction of duty.
The judicial and legal systems have been infiltrated by demons.
Wake up.
Supreme court has ruled police have no obligation to protect you. Back the blue indeed
Are you FUCKING KIDDING ME?
Learn the law Pede
Castle Rock vs Gonzales
Deshanney vs Winnebago County
And the person fave
Warren vs DC
Back the blue
God our side needs to drop Every Hint of that Shit
Even worse is that, I think, a majority of people in Antifa are a mob of white college leftist commies, a ton of hypocrites who virtue signal about "white man bad" but then think they themselves are immune to the law.
Satan
Indicted by who?
Why? He saw a guy with a gun and controlled him. When he had a chance to investigate why the gun had been drawn, the victim was released without charges. It's not his fault some folks on this forum went full ACAB before all the facts were in.
That cop had been watching the Antifags assault people all day, and did nothing. The moment one of the victims pulled a weapon to defend himself, the cop was on him like white on left-wing targets.
That's a political order from higher up. We've known they've been told to stand down for at least the last year. What's he going to do, defy the Antifag mayor and ruin his own career over a gang of scumbags who vastly outnumbered him (and would eagerly kill him) and would only be cut loose again anyway? If he hadn't intervened that guy would have had to shoot some of them. Not to say that's a bad thing, but then he would have been truly fucked. The officer kept the peace as best he could while handcuffed, defusing the scene and getting the victim out of the clutches of those animals, and while I also wish he had done a lot more I know the grunts on the street aren't the ones making these calls. Hang the fucking ringleaders and the blue line will be able to do their jobs.
"Just following orders." It's a wonderful excuse, with a wonderful history of protecting those who "just followed orders" as opposed to doing what is right. Yes, he absolutely should defy the Antifag mayor.
Yeah I’m about done with “just following orders”. They’ll “just follow orders” all the way to our re-education camps
Rededucation camps? LMAO, they want us dead, not dumbed down and still white.
What would that accomplish except for getting his own head cut off?
Got it. "Comply with them to avoid any punishment the left will throw at you. Kneel for Antifa because they'll throw rocks through your windows if you refuse. Give your kids puberty blockers because they'll try to take your kids from you if you don't. Surrender to the left completely because I'm too much of a coward to follow the Constitution."
That's not what I said at all.
Justice.
Yes
Ah, the good 'ol Nuremberg Excuse strikes again!
Yeah yeah, I'm literally Hitler because not arresting someone for breaking a truck window is the same as turning Jews into lampshades.
Not you, ya goof. The cops.
If we start chanting "pigs in a blanket, fry 'em like bacon" then we're no better than Antifa.
He arrested someone for defending themselves while watching douchebags break the law all day long. Fuck him.
I've supported law enforcement all my life. Now too often I hear the same shit that the fucking literal Nazis used as an excuse at Nuremburg: just following orders.
All cops might not be bastards, but by now they're at least bastard adjacent.
If they'd just do their fucking jobs and start arresting Democrats instead of just the Democrat's enemies, I might have some faith restored. Until then, I say again, fuck em.
They're supposed to "just follow orders". The alternative is roving bands of mercenaries making up and enforcing their own rules, which is exactly what we're trying to prevent. FFS doesn't anyone understand the separation of powers anymore? It's the bastard command structure that's the enemy of America. If the city doesn't have the cops' backs and won't prosecute terrorists then the gumshoes are as helpless as the rest of us. It's not like they're the ones throwing rocks at trucks.
Totally understood, and you are totally correct, both about the situation and about the officer's motivations.
The problem is that the political situation is becoming untenable, and the police are being used to set up a situation where one side can use political violence and the other cannot.
To wit: They are being used as political pawns.
There comes a point where they HAVE to decide what side they are on. The side of Freedom, or the side of the state. Because regardless of their desire to just have a job, collect a paycheck and go home, they are, as human beings and as police officers sworn to uphold the law and the Constitution, required to be aware of what they are doing and must, by both the Constitution and the general moral order of humanity, prevent themselves from being turned into jackbooted thugs.
At some point they MUST say "No" or they become morally no better than the Stasi or the Gestapo.
We reached that point when Antifa became a thing. The time for choosing is upon us all.
I hear what you're saying. We're all caught between the Scylla and Charybdis here, and neither choice seems like a winning move. I guess I'm just playing the devil's advocate to keep this forum from sliding into another anarchist echo chamber. I understand why folks are so upset that nothing ever seems to get done, and I am too, I just think the police need more support enforcing the law, not more enemies. I'm not claiming to be right and accusing everyone else of being wrong though, it's just one man's point of view in a world gone mad. I feel like a ship cast adrift in a storm with no light to guide my way safely home. This whole scene is a clusterfuck that seems to have no ideal solution. I guess that's why nobody ever says "war is a Sunday picnic" eh? Goddamn commies. I really hate 'em for what they're doing to my beloved country.
I agree. it is a difficult situation.
Honestly, I think we need to be better at selling ourselves to the Police. We need to have some kind of an "in" with police groups that will allow us to step up and do what needs to be done while knowing they have our backs.
Right now Antifa has the "in" via their connection with the political Police brass and politicians. However, if there was a way we could spread the word among the rank and file Police that as long as they continue to just "not interfere" and allow Patriots to have free reign in dealing with the black bloc thugs, then we could organize and step up to clear them out.
They have to be willing to "turn a blind eye" to citizen action against Antifa. If they continue to enforce ONLY one side, they are going to make enemies, which if this forum is any indication, is already beginning to happen.
Conservatives and the right in general are by and large the "Law and Order" group. We are, to use the old D&D appellation; "Lawful Good". We are the natural Allies of the Police.
However, if the Police continue to allow themselves to be used and continue to willingly enforce a double standard, then there is no reason NOT to switch to "Chaotic Good" or even "Unlawful Good". In that case, we will be enemies, and they will have a very hard time of it indeed.
Remember that when dealing with a despotic state, either communist or otherwise, the choice will always be made as difficult as possible by the despots. They will make it easy to just "Go along to get along" and hard to stand for what is right.
Right choices are always simple, but rarely easy.
However, just because it is a hard choice, just because the situation is difficult, does not mean that the men and women of the Police forces of the United States are not called to make those right choices. They are.
As I said before: The time for choosing is upon us all.
Roving bands of mercenaries is what we have now. What else would you call Antifa? We have them on camera accepting money for the shit they do. Violence for cash. The literal definition of mercenaries.
And now thanks to these douche bag cops letting them get away with it...citizens are now second class in their own country and the shit's getting deeper every day.
You ask what they should do? Every time they see those fuckers break a law, arrest them. Who cares what the bosses said? You think the cop is going to get arrested for making an illegal arrest? If he does, how different is that from our own brothers and sisters risking life and limb?
Let me be clear here: FUCK EVERY COP THAT ALLOWS ANTIFA TO DO THIS SHIT. Fuck every cop that knew and didn't arrest Hunter for all kinds of crimes. Fuck all these cops helping the NWO being installed with masks and shit. At this point, that's the overwhelming majority of them. Most cops would fit right into the SS these days.
And before you get your panties in a bunch, understand this: I WAS A FUCKING COP. Fuck this new breed and the Lefty transgender horse they rode in on. (It's really a pig).
This is reddit 2.0 don't you know? Outrage porn is the currency.
He was clearly the victim before he was arrested, antifa had been throwing rocks at vehicles all day the cops had yet to do anything prior. This was done in this way to deter others from standing up against antifa. FYI if you haven't figured it out yet the cops and antifa are on the same side of the commie coin, the entire "ACAB" crap was for show.
The cops aren't "on a side."
Police are obedient meat heads that want to collect a paycheck and retire comfortably. They will follow any and all orders, regardless of what the US Constitution says, if it means keeping their jobs.
Antifa and the Democrat mayors, governors, prosecutors, DA's et cetera, are all on the same side.
If a patriot mayor told the police to have no mercy on antifa and shut them down, they would do it.
"Just following orders" isn't an excuse.
It's not an excuse, but it's reality
I didn't say it was an excuse so I don't know what the point of your dumbfuck comment was.
Chill out fren, you sound like a leftist with a stick up his ass. I wasn't attacking you or your character no need to get all hostile or upset. You implied that cops will follow the orders of whoever they are severing under, so I replied that just following orders is never an excuse. Even if a cop is blindly following orders you agree with it doesn't make it the correct course of action since just following orders isn't legitimate reasoning.
What did I say that promoted authoritarian redistribution of wealth and the public ownership of anything the mob deems valuable? That's a stupid accusation. I was correct in my rapid assessment of you.
Totally not reminiscent of a virtue-warrior wall of text after accusing me of "sounding like a leftist," lmao not to mention still doesn't explain why your response was relevant.
I argued that the cops are official employees of the government that will do whatever they're paid to, not loyal zealots. Your argument is "but that doesn't make it OK" which I don't understand why the fuck you think I'm saying it is.
I'm saying they're not idealistic commies like antifa. They're just basic bros that want to get paid for cracking skulls and calling people "individuals" like Idiocracy.
Good times frendo!
You lack self-awareness.
Lol what
It wasn’t for show. They successfully convinced a lot of cops to be faggots
If you see antifa with guns, just fucking shoot them.
We are in a communist revolution. This is a war. All armed commies congregating in public should be mowed down with lead.
"Butbutbutbut thats violence!"
Yeah. They want to kill you. They want to LITERALLY burn the USA to the ground.
The USA is occupied with enemy combatants and we no longer have a legitimate president or a legitimate voting system.
If we don't slaughter all the fucking commies right now, there is no more USA.
Yes but get in position behind them first
This is EXACTLY what happened to “laughingAtLibs”
The Democrat prosecutors went after him like a rabbid dog.
All he did was pull his gun in self defense and back away.
He got a massive fine/jail time IIRC
This should be a lesson to you stupid fucking retards. If you bring a gun, use it. If you pull it out of the holster, pull the trigger within 1 second.
You're already being targeted for slaughter. Hesitating now just means more children and innocents will be killed by the animals you spare.
And stop getting out of your cars to face a group on your own. The cops probably saved this man's life.
Drive away, come back later.
Drive away, come back later.
Repeat that mantra. Do not act in the heat of the moment. Get in a group, return later in black clothes.
This is sound advice. If you carry daily, then you know it's crucial to be able to deescalate and be the bigger person in that moment, even if it seems unfair. It's the difference between going home to your family or going to prison. Know when it's actually worth it to pull your gun, and if you've gotten that far and made that decision, then you pull the trigger without hesitation.
It is clear that Antifa's tactics work, and ours don't. Yes they have everyone on their side in MSM and the corrupt government branches, but Antifa supporters know all they have to do is dress a certain way and turn up at a particular place at a particular time. It's very easy to get people to turn up using that tactic.
Rather than creating groups such as Proud Boys, Oath Keepers etc, we should just copy Antifa's tactics and group ourselves under the common AntiCom label, everyone dress in blue etc.
By creating groups we're giving the media/FBI etc a hierarchy to attack and vilify. If people know to just turn up and dress in blue (or any other color) and that they don't have to associate themselves with a particular group, they might be more willing to get involved.
Of course Antifa is a group, we all know that, but there are certainly many thousands of people who do turn up and call themselves Antifa, but aren't a "member" of any group.
We need to use their tactics against them.
Yes we could use the term "Patriots" but I think that just works against us, Antifa call themselves "Patriots" too. The name needs to have a specific meaning; Anti Communist.
There's a reason why antifa only commits attacks in cities where they've recruited the mayor.
Fuck dressing in blue for these traitors. Ftp
Oregon had been such a lovely place.
OMIGOD doomers OMIGOD !!! The system worked as designed !!!!
Cops are there to diffuse the bomb of the situation in the manner they deem effective, collect evidence and people and bring it all before the DA and a judge.
That's their job. They did their job. The system ground forth. It spewed out its result. The result was just.
When it works, this is how your system works.
Sorry. If you have the gun in hand, you're the bomb in the situation no matter what.
Drop the gun, put your hands in the air while explaining yourself and giving them your version of events. Do this and you'll live to see justice if justice is on your side.
Yes it goes wrong. Yes McCloskey's and Rittenhouse. Yes. I agree with every word. Chauvin did nothing wrong. All agreed all the way around. DA's are filth in these cases. Agreed. We have to let the system work through these cases. Let that happen and see what our battlefield position is.
Look you have mayors and DAs and governors who are psychopathic leftists in this nation. They're all elected people !
Wheeler is still mayor of Portland because people there haven't seen fit to un-elected him.
It's up to the people of these areas to do that. Double dittos DAs. In LA they are recalling their Soros DA. That's how it works.
Ultimately, your argument is not with even these assclowns, it's with the morons that elect them.
Newsflash- we're a 80-20 divided nation. 20% of this nation is literally insane. The other 80% if you scratch the surface are still more or less sane. Maybe half of those are still on the learning curve and still vote D.
Are the useless cops going to pay for damages on the guys truck they let happen?
Sad to see politics come before constitutional rights.
But did he get his gun back?
For those of you bad mouthing the cops: they could have easily booked this guy for brandishing.
antifa acts like Mexican cartels. They do whatever they want, taunt people right in front of the police and they know nothing will happen to them.
All in all this is a good outcome. Let's be realistic. If the world had not gone to shit and antifa didn't exist and the police were oathkeepers, we would want this outcome. We wouldn't want people waving guns around without being stopped and questioned by police and let go with no charges if they did nothing wrong.
In this world, that is still a good outcome on the side of the patriot, but we would prefer if the antifa agitators were brought to justice.
Except for one thing. The media, the enemy of the people, put this guys name out there and doxxed him. These journalists deserve to live in fear of being shot.
ANTIFA MEMBERS ARE THE FASCISTS
What was the question?
Why are you not woke and how come you haven't joined Antifa?
All Cops Are Faggots
ACAF
We should all just dress up in black bloc
its very slimming...
it Works. Can’t be identified. 🤷♂️
had no doubt
They need to fn fire the cop who arrested him. Better yet, sue the police department for illegal arrest.
These cops are fucking useless. I’m done “backing the blue.” They don’t do shit when it counts. Politicians tell them NOT to enforce the law while felonies are committed and these cunts stand down. They should have their pay docked, go home and let my friend Smith & Wesson do their job for them.
did any of the terrorists get arrested?
How do we find out where these antifags are rallying so we can properly greet them?
All one need do is 'Haunt' the same 'channels' and socials they do if one can stomach it...
They physically operate in 'cells' but are highly organized on-line despite what we're led to believe.
...its relatively easy to pick up their chatter if one knows what to look for. A lot of them are Homos and Pedos so that's what they're drawn to in their 'downtime'...
Meanwhile I'm sure his truck was further vandalized and impounded, and he had to pay several hundred dollars to get it released from impound.
He cocked his gun but didn’t point it at any of the domestic terrorists.
And the antifa agressors?
Salem Police released a statement officially naming this Patriot as the victim.
Why do these morons play in the traffic? Retarded?
It really sucks to see the cancer that is antifa growing here in Oregon. I may finally cave in and have to purchase a... tool for home defense. Hopefully I'll never have to use it, but with things escalating here I would feel a lot safer if I had something to defend myself with.
Should have invested in those tools for installing your home security a while back. The powers that be have decreed that supplies of consumables required for using those tools, are strictly limited and not made available in large quantities to the general public.
You might be able to acquire the tools you need, but getting consumables may be a problem.
The cordless power drill is worthless without drill bits to go with it. Sabre and circular power saws are useless without the blades that go with them.
You get the picture.
So you're saying I should get a crowbar, because it doesn't need consumables to rip out problems. Got it.
Yes. Just make sure you know how to use that crow bar when the time comes.
Picks also come in handy for this. Just ask Notch...
You fucking faggot cucks let them take over your state. YOU GET WHAT YOU FUCKING DESERVE
Stop being lone gun-men. This idiot should have just driven away, then returned with 10 others in black to mow down anti-freedom before dispersing and preparing for another defensive action.
Were we better organized, all he would have had to do is call in a frost call to his buddies. That would have connected to other links, and within 15 minutes, Antifa would have had a small army of the man's friends to contend with.
Tell the police to butt out, brush Antifa back, and get their friend out of there ASAP.
It's going to come to this at some point. We might as well begin organizing for it, and stop being afraid of the glowies.