like I say, luciferians have perverted it all. everything they have and preach, is just twisted versions of scripture. so a lot of it is true, in a sense.
of course. all we have to work with are the tools and words God gave us. all the devil does is twist them around. like solomon said in ecclesiates, "there is nothing new under the sun".
I grew up immersed in it, this is why I know :D and perhaps we're in hell right now. we were kicked out of the garden, and revelation tells us that even the dead in hell we be risen for judgement. those who reject Christ are cast into the lake of fire and extinguished. and it is a mirror, in the sense that what you do here affects your soul in heaven, which is why Christ tells us to not worry about storing up riches on earth, but worry about storing up riches in heaven.
You raise another interesting point. Personally, I prefer the "and extinguished" idea (annihilationism) over the eternal suffering bit. Scripture doesn't really specify. There has never been consensus, which tells me we don't know because it isn't that simple. Of the first 5 church districts, 3 taught eternal torment 2 taught annihilationism.
Neither has us in hell now, although the past year seems like it! We are between heaven and hell. Earth is the place for humiliation. It is the battleground between good and evil. Everybody's pissed because evil is growing stronger in our world; that's the elephant in the room nobody's talking about.
Maybe we can use that to unite We the People against our common enemy?
hmm, I can't remember where I read of the souls being extinguished, but now I've just found this part, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Rev. 20:10, and then of course, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Rev. 20: 13-5. also of course the several times Jesus mentions a place of endless torment. kind of goes directly against what I was saying, but I know I did read about how souls cast into the lake of fire were extinguished. I'd have to re-read revelation, or perhaps it was earlier in the new testament.
This was all written in Koine Greek. If you study the meanings of the words here, it gets less certain: "to the end of the age." Other sections may intend "to the ages of the ages."
While this is all Greek to me, it all points to one thing: " all judgment has been given to the Son." Really, it's all up to Him. Can He decide anyone's "age" is up at a certain time? Scripture says nothing against that, we just know He won't be capricious about it.
One ancient Church Father (ACF) hoped that even satan would be redeemed through the fire, in enough time.
Earth is corrupt. It was good when created. We are in the process of being redeemed.
satan likes to pretend everything is fine now. "As above, so below" reflects this insidious difference. Just so you know, if you encounter this IRL
like I say, luciferians have perverted it all. everything they have and preach, is just twisted versions of scripture. so a lot of it is true, in a sense.
The devil includes a little truth in every lie. The covid scam, for instance.
of course. all we have to work with are the tools and words God gave us. all the devil does is twist them around. like solomon said in ecclesiates, "there is nothing new under the sun".
Also: " we are not ignorant of his devices" :)
I grew up immersed in it, this is why I know :D and perhaps we're in hell right now. we were kicked out of the garden, and revelation tells us that even the dead in hell we be risen for judgement. those who reject Christ are cast into the lake of fire and extinguished. and it is a mirror, in the sense that what you do here affects your soul in heaven, which is why Christ tells us to not worry about storing up riches on earth, but worry about storing up riches in heaven.
"Cast into the lake of fire and extinguished."
You raise another interesting point. Personally, I prefer the "and extinguished" idea (annihilationism) over the eternal suffering bit. Scripture doesn't really specify. There has never been consensus, which tells me we don't know because it isn't that simple. Of the first 5 church districts, 3 taught eternal torment 2 taught annihilationism.
Neither has us in hell now, although the past year seems like it! We are between heaven and hell. Earth is the place for humiliation. It is the battleground between good and evil. Everybody's pissed because evil is growing stronger in our world; that's the elephant in the room nobody's talking about.
Maybe we can use that to unite We the People against our common enemy?
hmm, I can't remember where I read of the souls being extinguished, but now I've just found this part, "And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever." Rev. 20:10, and then of course, "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire." Rev. 20: 13-5. also of course the several times Jesus mentions a place of endless torment. kind of goes directly against what I was saying, but I know I did read about how souls cast into the lake of fire were extinguished. I'd have to re-read revelation, or perhaps it was earlier in the new testament.
This was all written in Koine Greek. If you study the meanings of the words here, it gets less certain: "to the end of the age." Other sections may intend "to the ages of the ages."
While this is all Greek to me, it all points to one thing: " all judgment has been given to the Son." Really, it's all up to Him. Can He decide anyone's "age" is up at a certain time? Scripture says nothing against that, we just know He won't be capricious about it.
One ancient Church Father (ACF) hoped that even satan would be redeemed through the fire, in enough time.