It is an interesting and complicated topic. I’m not necessarily in favor of 1930s fascism but I do think the world has changed in ways that make even a constitutional republic (not that we really even have one anymore) unworkable.
In many ways China appears more fascist now than communist. The Chinese people are largely proud ethno-nationalists and poised to take over the world in the real relatively near future.
How will the US resist this rising power when we’re busy babysitting and appeasing our population of retarded entitled minorities ?
When it comes down to it, authoritarianism is authoritarianism. Communism is just a more feminine version more inspired by France's socialism and fascism has more masculine attributes.
For all intents and purposes though those differences tend to be merely different styles to the effect of basing whether Stalin was good or bad on if he supported driving on the right or left side of the road while ignoring him driving onto the pavement.
A lot of people mistake knowing something about it for knowing what's wrong with it. With any political system or anything involving people there's so much that can go wrong.
When we look at fascism or communism they really tend to converge on the same thing. There's usually some unreasonable position and the only way they can get that is through total power, force, even if the unreasonable position is total power itself.
The unreasonable position for the modern left started with open borders and mass immigration. Because what they're doing is wrong the only way they can sustain it is through force. Immigration is an absolute for them, an imperative, deterministic.
When you study systems like socialism they also demand determinism and you see that's not compatible with dynamic systems like democracy. At some point something has to give and that's why you're rapidly losing your democracy. I wouldn't classify the USA as a democratic country any longer.
It's trying to be but is in denial. When the dominant system has such an imperative, and it's the left wing that is dominant and democratic result that would produce a different outcome such as lower levels of immigration will not be valid, it doesn't take precedence.
At this point I'd say that the USA going through the motions of a democratic process just to keep up appearance is causing more harm and more suffering then if they were openly autocratic and dictatorial. I think what the USA is doing now running elections that don't mean anything is far more sadistic and cruel.
I think the easiest way I could put it is I want something akin to the Meritocracy that is displayed in Starship Troopers.
Whether someone was correct or not in a debate was irrelevant, it was all about who was in charge. That’s who was always right.
It looks to me that you could agree with a strict Meritocracy. I will say that it is something that a society has to be careful with.
The defining quality is the heavy and often total elimination of all opposition.
You can put the wrong person in charge, but if we wanna go the route of might is right then it seems likely the wrong person in charge would not be for long. They would be destroyed.
We have been trained, well, I’ll rephrase, I have been trained my entire life to reject fascism, because I have always been told it’s evil. Over the past couple years, and especially this past year, I have warmed up to the idea. The only way we are going to win this is to destroy the Marxism that has a grip on our country, and if we wanna be honest, the entire planet.
It would probably be a better idea to not call it that, because most people instantly recoil at the idea, but I am at a loss. Since Meritocracy has also become a dirty word.
You really should be careful about assuming things. When we're talking about right and wrong it's sometimes more complex than who is really right in terms of logic or facts. The fascist party can be wrong in the same way a thief who is envious and lusts for what you have even though they have no right for it is wrong. The exact specifics can vary but that's usually why they have to resort to such an extreme form of might makes right.
Don't assume that bad leaders will be the first to fall. The whole point of the position they're in is that they're protected and detached from consequences. They can do things that effect us, we can't do anything to effect them. The primary purpose of modern democracy is to prevent that. Typically by the time bad leaders are taken out it's not until they've caused havoc for the people beneath them first.
Most people I've seen who think they have been trained to reject fascism are fascists. A lot of them are idiots. Some of them are Jewish youths that are victims of national socialist radicalisation. I would have though that absurd until I saw it with my own eyes but lets not pretend anything is beyond national socialists including tricking Jewish youths to fight for them. The new national socialist youth. They're that sadistic but it's surprising to find they also have the means.
Anti-fascism (AFA and derivatives) should really be a proscribed group in my country as they ban groups far less extreme and far less anti-Semitic.
You need to be very careful not to be so arrogant as to think you can truly recognise evil so easily. I've seen this in engineering with juniors who go by signs rather than knowing the thing for itself and end up breaking things that are perfectly good.
You can always sanity check. Always ask what's happening in this picture. Ignore the captions and what people say. If you take a BLM videos they'll say they're getting justice for police brutality but ignore all that and what do you see? What's the only thing you can be sure of in a scene like that? In that case it might be they're robbing a store.
That's a useful technique to try to get back to reality and shake some of the conditioning. Ask yourself what can you really be certain of in any given situation.
I think we need to re-think what fascism means for a global economy.
It does not matter who is really the driving force between the government-corporate marriage that is fascism...the end fascist result is what you're looking at.
Today, fascism can have a globalist ideology without going the communist route. In fact, a nationalist emphasis can put a severe wrench into a globalist fascist drive.
Yet, what label will be applied to the nationalist movement trying to oppose a globalist fascism drive?
I believe it was Churchill who said adroitly that the future Fascist uprising would disguise itself as being anti-fascist.
He did not say IF it would arise; he knew that with Germany's defeat, it only went underground, and would re-surface again sometime in the future.
They’re Stalinists. Fascism is a nationalist ideology. You think Antifa have pride in their nation or people ?
There's a lot of debate about what fascism was and wasn't politically but honestly a lot of it is just random stuff that's not at all relevant.
The real question you have to ask is what was bad about fascism?
The defining quality is the heavy and often total elimination of all opposition.
Whether someone was correct or not in a debate was irrelevant, it was all about who was in charge. That's who was always right.
It is an interesting and complicated topic. I’m not necessarily in favor of 1930s fascism but I do think the world has changed in ways that make even a constitutional republic (not that we really even have one anymore) unworkable.
In many ways China appears more fascist now than communist. The Chinese people are largely proud ethno-nationalists and poised to take over the world in the real relatively near future.
How will the US resist this rising power when we’re busy babysitting and appeasing our population of retarded entitled minorities ?
When it comes down to it, authoritarianism is authoritarianism. Communism is just a more feminine version more inspired by France's socialism and fascism has more masculine attributes.
For all intents and purposes though those differences tend to be merely different styles to the effect of basing whether Stalin was good or bad on if he supported driving on the right or left side of the road while ignoring him driving onto the pavement.
A lot of people mistake knowing something about it for knowing what's wrong with it. With any political system or anything involving people there's so much that can go wrong.
When we look at fascism or communism they really tend to converge on the same thing. There's usually some unreasonable position and the only way they can get that is through total power, force, even if the unreasonable position is total power itself.
The unreasonable position for the modern left started with open borders and mass immigration. Because what they're doing is wrong the only way they can sustain it is through force. Immigration is an absolute for them, an imperative, deterministic.
When you study systems like socialism they also demand determinism and you see that's not compatible with dynamic systems like democracy. At some point something has to give and that's why you're rapidly losing your democracy. I wouldn't classify the USA as a democratic country any longer.
It's trying to be but is in denial. When the dominant system has such an imperative, and it's the left wing that is dominant and democratic result that would produce a different outcome such as lower levels of immigration will not be valid, it doesn't take precedence.
At this point I'd say that the USA going through the motions of a democratic process just to keep up appearance is causing more harm and more suffering then if they were openly autocratic and dictatorial. I think what the USA is doing now running elections that don't mean anything is far more sadistic and cruel.
I think the easiest way I could put it is I want something akin to the Meritocracy that is displayed in Starship Troopers.
It looks to me that you could agree with a strict Meritocracy. I will say that it is something that a society has to be careful with.
You can put the wrong person in charge, but if we wanna go the route of might is right then it seems likely the wrong person in charge would not be for long. They would be destroyed.
We have been trained, well, I’ll rephrase, I have been trained my entire life to reject fascism, because I have always been told it’s evil. Over the past couple years, and especially this past year, I have warmed up to the idea. The only way we are going to win this is to destroy the Marxism that has a grip on our country, and if we wanna be honest, the entire planet.
It would probably be a better idea to not call it that, because most people instantly recoil at the idea, but I am at a loss. Since Meritocracy has also become a dirty word.
What are your thoughts?
You really should be careful about assuming things. When we're talking about right and wrong it's sometimes more complex than who is really right in terms of logic or facts. The fascist party can be wrong in the same way a thief who is envious and lusts for what you have even though they have no right for it is wrong. The exact specifics can vary but that's usually why they have to resort to such an extreme form of might makes right.
Don't assume that bad leaders will be the first to fall. The whole point of the position they're in is that they're protected and detached from consequences. They can do things that effect us, we can't do anything to effect them. The primary purpose of modern democracy is to prevent that. Typically by the time bad leaders are taken out it's not until they've caused havoc for the people beneath them first.
Most people I've seen who think they have been trained to reject fascism are fascists. A lot of them are idiots. Some of them are Jewish youths that are victims of national socialist radicalisation. I would have though that absurd until I saw it with my own eyes but lets not pretend anything is beyond national socialists including tricking Jewish youths to fight for them. The new national socialist youth. They're that sadistic but it's surprising to find they also have the means.
Anti-fascism (AFA and derivatives) should really be a proscribed group in my country as they ban groups far less extreme and far less anti-Semitic.
You need to be very careful not to be so arrogant as to think you can truly recognise evil so easily. I've seen this in engineering with juniors who go by signs rather than knowing the thing for itself and end up breaking things that are perfectly good.
You can always sanity check. Always ask what's happening in this picture. Ignore the captions and what people say. If you take a BLM videos they'll say they're getting justice for police brutality but ignore all that and what do you see? What's the only thing you can be sure of in a scene like that? In that case it might be they're robbing a store.
That's a useful technique to try to get back to reality and shake some of the conditioning. Ask yourself what can you really be certain of in any given situation.
Very well said. It seems to me that I have quite a large knowledge gap on the subject of fascism compared to you, but I like to learn.
Do you have any reading or listening material you could recommend me?
I think they are genuinely nationalist, just for a nation other than this one.
I think we need to re-think what fascism means for a global economy.
It does not matter who is really the driving force between the government-corporate marriage that is fascism...the end fascist result is what you're looking at.
Today, fascism can have a globalist ideology without going the communist route. In fact, a nationalist emphasis can put a severe wrench into a globalist fascist drive.
Yet, what label will be applied to the nationalist movement trying to oppose a globalist fascism drive?
I believe it was Churchill who said adroitly that the future Fascist uprising would disguise itself as being anti-fascist.
He did not say IF it would arise; he knew that with Germany's defeat, it only went underground, and would re-surface again sometime in the future.
Fascists are collectivists.
I am not a collectivist. They are. They have a huge national identity, wokistan, which they want to destroy the U.S. to replace it with.