I'm not appeasing anyone. I'm saying we tell the whole damn world they're welcome to join a movement provided they agree with some pretty fundamental American values like small government and such.
Liberty can be reasserted in society after we bleed the blood of tyrants.
The problem with this is that authoritarians never give up their power afterwards. Never. George Washington might be the exception.
You don't "give" Liberty. We are born with it. Governments take it away, which is why we have to be ever vigilant to keep the government from ever growing again.
I don't want anyone to have power, especially without enumerated checks on that power. A strongman many win a war, but history tells us to be careful what we wish for.
And I agree we want the same end-game, we just have different understandings of history and human behavior. I don't have the time right now to get any deeper into it than that.
Cicero? It has happened before and it can happen again. The issues I have with liberty focused people is that it is this very liberty that is being used against us. We give them liberty and they use it to take our liberty away. In theory, liberty is good but you but we don't have liberty now and asking for liberty is never how you get liberty. Furthermore giving liberty to criminals is not good. Liberty only works when you have a society full of moral men.
All I'm saying is we need to unify together, crush our enemies and then reassert our values. Yes, we may lose our liberty in doing so but we may also gain more liberty in the process. Almost anything worth doing in life has risk associated with it.
Universal suffrage democracy surely won't get us liberty because it is that very form of government that has taken it from us. And not just us. Look at any western democracy and you'll find universal suffrage democracy itself seems to be the root problem itself and incompatible with liberty.
Once it's gone, it doesn't come back just by asking nicely.
Who's asking? It starts by saying NO. That's louder when it comes from a Governor or Sheriff, but every individual who refuses illegal mandates makes it easier for the elected leaders to do so as well.
What happens after that is what I'm looking forward to.
All I'm saying is we need to unify together, crush our enemies and then reassert our values.
Yes, but there's more than one way to unify. Our enemy is the State, its corporate sponsors, and the committed true believers. That's a lot of political and financial power, but really not more than 10% of the population. Those three have different remedies.
We agree that a strongman solution can work to win the war, we disagree that it can then win the peace.
Just remember, the Federal Gov't only has the power it pretends to have because we fell asleep at the wheel and let it grow for a centruy+. It was created by the States and they can damn well take the power back. I'm working to encourage them to do so ASAP.
I'm Canadian and I've seen my fair share of separation attempts from provinces, serious ones at that too. Only reason I'm even here with a State in this fight is because we're culturally dominated by you guys and this leftist degradation originating in the west (you guys) has completely destroyed my country. There is no freedom here. There are no options here. We're waiting for you guys to find a way out of this mess or we'll end up sinking with the ship.
Good luck with the State rights angle, you're going to need it. Last time a serious attempt was made at it, it did lead to war anyway. I don't think you'll win through a peaceful means. As soon as a legitimate separation or State autonomy/sovereignty movement starts, those with power will push huge amounts of money into propaganda regarding how it will hurt the State economically, how it's anti-American, how Lincoln tried to prevent this and you should be focused on unity etc... Your younger generation is going to eat up the propaganda and in the major cities you won't get the support you need so it'll mostly just fizzle out politically.
The USA and their States are better setup than Canada to use State leverage against the federal government but I don't have much faith in that outcome working. The problem is that most States themselves are split close enough to 50/50 on these issues that to unify a State peacefully to actually force major changes in the confederation is extremely difficult and momentum isn't likely to last past 1 term for your officials after the federation government and their cronies go on the assault politically to defeat the movement.
At the end of the day you need to win the cultural war to have any real momentum and look to States like Texas, they are losing the cultural war through demographics quite nicely and there isn't much anyone in the USA is doing about it.
I suppose a military angle isn't any easier but I actually think the military angle has a higher chance of success because you can entirely circumvent the opposition or beat them in a fight. You don't need majority support or political capital, you simply need might and then you can force your outcome. Trying to go the State power route when you have traitors and enemies within your State with high enough population sizes to almost entirely counter you is likely to just end in a political stalemate without much being accomplished. With military a minority can win.
At the end of the day you need to win the cultural war to have any real momentum
That's the drum I've been beating pretty hard.
Regarding the military option, they currently are the "legal" gov't, and the military will follow orders. Only way the military intervenes on our side is if we score a huge legal victory or expose something so blatant that not even the MSM can hide it.
The State militias, and all of the well-armed volunteers are more to ensure the military isn't used on us. It's not designed to fight war against a modern military, so I'm not a fan of this path.
The banker backed globalist scum have to be rooted out everywhere; it's just a matter of when and how. I will push for the legal options until those are all closed to us.
And yes, we'll then do what we can to help out our polite neighbors to the North.
I'm not appeasing anyone. I'm saying we tell the whole damn world they're welcome to join a movement provided they agree with some pretty fundamental American values like small government and such.
The problem with this is that authoritarians never give up their power afterwards. Never. George Washington might be the exception.
You don't "give" Liberty. We are born with it. Governments take it away, which is why we have to be ever vigilant to keep the government from ever growing again.
I don't want anyone to have power, especially without enumerated checks on that power. A strongman many win a war, but history tells us to be careful what we wish for.
And I agree we want the same end-game, we just have different understandings of history and human behavior. I don't have the time right now to get any deeper into it than that.
Cicero? It has happened before and it can happen again. The issues I have with liberty focused people is that it is this very liberty that is being used against us. We give them liberty and they use it to take our liberty away. In theory, liberty is good but you but we don't have liberty now and asking for liberty is never how you get liberty. Furthermore giving liberty to criminals is not good. Liberty only works when you have a society full of moral men.
All I'm saying is we need to unify together, crush our enemies and then reassert our values. Yes, we may lose our liberty in doing so but we may also gain more liberty in the process. Almost anything worth doing in life has risk associated with it.
Universal suffrage democracy surely won't get us liberty because it is that very form of government that has taken it from us. And not just us. Look at any western democracy and you'll find universal suffrage democracy itself seems to be the root problem itself and incompatible with liberty.
Who's asking? It starts by saying NO. That's louder when it comes from a Governor or Sheriff, but every individual who refuses illegal mandates makes it easier for the elected leaders to do so as well.
What happens after that is what I'm looking forward to.
Yes, but there's more than one way to unify. Our enemy is the State, its corporate sponsors, and the committed true believers. That's a lot of political and financial power, but really not more than 10% of the population. Those three have different remedies.
We agree that a strongman solution can work to win the war, we disagree that it can then win the peace.
Just remember, the Federal Gov't only has the power it pretends to have because we fell asleep at the wheel and let it grow for a centruy+. It was created by the States and they can damn well take the power back. I'm working to encourage them to do so ASAP.
I'm Canadian and I've seen my fair share of separation attempts from provinces, serious ones at that too. Only reason I'm even here with a State in this fight is because we're culturally dominated by you guys and this leftist degradation originating in the west (you guys) has completely destroyed my country. There is no freedom here. There are no options here. We're waiting for you guys to find a way out of this mess or we'll end up sinking with the ship.
Good luck with the State rights angle, you're going to need it. Last time a serious attempt was made at it, it did lead to war anyway. I don't think you'll win through a peaceful means. As soon as a legitimate separation or State autonomy/sovereignty movement starts, those with power will push huge amounts of money into propaganda regarding how it will hurt the State economically, how it's anti-American, how Lincoln tried to prevent this and you should be focused on unity etc... Your younger generation is going to eat up the propaganda and in the major cities you won't get the support you need so it'll mostly just fizzle out politically.
The USA and their States are better setup than Canada to use State leverage against the federal government but I don't have much faith in that outcome working. The problem is that most States themselves are split close enough to 50/50 on these issues that to unify a State peacefully to actually force major changes in the confederation is extremely difficult and momentum isn't likely to last past 1 term for your officials after the federation government and their cronies go on the assault politically to defeat the movement.
At the end of the day you need to win the cultural war to have any real momentum and look to States like Texas, they are losing the cultural war through demographics quite nicely and there isn't much anyone in the USA is doing about it.
I suppose a military angle isn't any easier but I actually think the military angle has a higher chance of success because you can entirely circumvent the opposition or beat them in a fight. You don't need majority support or political capital, you simply need might and then you can force your outcome. Trying to go the State power route when you have traitors and enemies within your State with high enough population sizes to almost entirely counter you is likely to just end in a political stalemate without much being accomplished. With military a minority can win.
That's the drum I've been beating pretty hard.
Regarding the military option, they currently are the "legal" gov't, and the military will follow orders. Only way the military intervenes on our side is if we score a huge legal victory or expose something so blatant that not even the MSM can hide it.
The State militias, and all of the well-armed volunteers are more to ensure the military isn't used on us. It's not designed to fight war against a modern military, so I'm not a fan of this path.
The banker backed globalist scum have to be rooted out everywhere; it's just a matter of when and how. I will push for the legal options until those are all closed to us.
And yes, we'll then do what we can to help out our polite neighbors to the North.