He's not being charged with excessive use of force. He's being charged with 2nd and 3rd degree murder. Most people here, by far, agree it was excessive force. That being said, I don't care about this case whatsoever other than hoping Chauvin doesn't get convicted for that. I've seen so many things where cops don't get charged, mostly white victims too. Sadly, I don't remember their names, the one where the cop is telling the guy to crawl to him, shoots him like five times when he was pulling up his pants, a guy answers his door with a gun, he drops the gun immediately, gets to the ground, the cop shoots him in the head 2 seconds later, a similar case to this where a man is schizophrenic is having a mental break, he's already detained when police arrive, they end up on his back, for 13 minutes, laughing half the time, and actually dies of asphyxiation, none of those people were charged. But yeah, we all are going to remember this reprobate's name, what a joke.
He's guilty of excessive force. He's not guilty of Murder or Manslaughter.
Fenty Floyd was dying from an OD. They didn't know what he was taking because he was REEEEEE'ing for his Mama and how he can't breafe. Just like he did in 2019. EXACTLY WHAT HE DID IN 2019.
So how were they supposed to know he needed Narcan?
Chauvin shouldn't be a cop. But he's not a murderer.
Lol why shouldn't he be a cop? He did what was taught by their police academy and was in their documentation on how to subdue someone on the ground.
You can apply that logic to any job in the world. "Oh he fucked up that burger, didn't make it right." "He shouldn't be a chef". "Oh that IT guy skipped a step on accident." "Oh he shouldn't be in IT"
The only way they will pin anything on that man is if the jury is doxxed and intimidated, which the New York Times is trying to do.
It's sad that reasonable discussion hasn't been possible on this site. Both sides of the aisle claim this is an open and shut case, but if it were we wouldn't be here.
I doubt there will be a fair trial. I'm not interested in seeing the prosecution, but I do want to see the defense. Any idea how many weeks the prosecution will drone on?
I think the narrator starts this reasonably; excessive force as a contributing factor, while GF is ultimately responsible for the outcome.
I think the narrator makes a mistake: we can't tell how much force is on any knee or foot.
The narrator is correct, they couldve all gotten up and still restrained GF just fine. Talk him down! You don't have to try to explain excited delirium, but at least let him know your goal is to keep him alive until the ambulance gets there and that he needs to hold still. Failure to try is, to me, the most damning thing about the whole episode. Idk if that warrants any criminal charge though.
To restrain him without body weight just tell GF if he even moves they'll beat the crap out of him with 4 billy clubs. Had they all gotten off him and GF remained still and died anyway there'd be no charges.
Had the first cop on scene shot and killed GF in the first 30 seconds while he refused to show his right hand there'd be no charges and nobody wouldve been fired.
Had GF just driven away he might never have seen a cop.
And of course, he couldve just not been passing out fake 20 dollar bills.
I doubt there will be a fair trial. I'm not interested in seeing the prosecution, but I do want to see the defense. Any idea how many weeks the prosecution will drone on?
2 weeks
I think the narrator makes a mistake: we can't tell how much force is on any knee or foot.
They're bringing witnesses in saying that he was putting all his weight onto his knee. They can't possibly know that, but the Prosecution is going HARD with the water works and emotional angle.
The narrator is correct, they couldve all gotten up and still restrained GF just fine. Talk him down! You don't have to try to explain excited delirium, but at least let him know your goal is to keep him alive until the ambulance gets there and that he needs to hold still. Failure to try is, to me, the most damning thing about the whole episode. Idk if that warrants any criminal charge though.
No. That's not how it works. They don't know what he's on. He's clearly excited and there is a high chance if they let him up, he'd break and run down the street or something if he's on PCP and get hit by a car. They don't know. They also don't know if he's making it up. The best place for him was on the ground, on his face to make sure if he threw up he wouldn't drown in it.
They called the Ambulance. What more do you want them to do? They have to A.) Secure the scene from all the other ignorant monkey's screaming at the cops and getting threatening B.) Secure Floyd. Dude, do you realize that Floyd is something like 6'3 and over 220 pounds? He's a big fucking dude. It'd take more than one to subdue him.
To restrain him without body weight just tell GF if he even moves they'll beat the crap out of him with 4 billy clubs. Had they all gotten off him and GF remained still and died anyway there'd be no charges.
You can't threaten people like that. It's literally against the rules. That hold Chauvin used however, is NOT against the rules and was authorized by the PD.
GF was a dead man the moment he took all that fent. His goal would be to cause an uproar so he wouldn't have to go to the city lockup and instead go to the hospital. He also did that to drum up sympathy from the judge so he'd go easy on him. He also may have thought he was fucked and he might as well get high to try to get it to last through county. Or he didn't want possession charges so he took everything he had on him. Either way, he fucked up.
4 cops there couldve restrained him no matter what. I've seen cops threaten a lot more than that, but not in decades. A recent vid, a cop threatened to shoot the perp again if he reached for his rifle. This was after that same cop had already shot him 5 x. Perp died.
Different jurisdiction though. Messed up if rules dictate a cop can't do the right thing and it risks someone's life.
Doesn't matter what he was on. At that time they suspected excited delirium and that's why they called the ambulance. There was no surprise to the cops there. This is the key to the defense, IMHO.
Approved hold or no, was it good judgment to maintain it for 9 minutes? Even after GF passed out and was possibly dead? I think that's the key to the prosecution.
The key to justice is when did CPR start. There would have been no vital signs. I haven't seen this info, have you? Did GF ever have vital signs after CPR started? If not, and CPR started immediately in the ambulance, it's reasonable to conclude GF died under Chauvin's knee. Even that wouldn't make this an open and shut case, but it would make for a difficult defense.
He's not being charged with excessive use of force. He's being charged with 2nd and 3rd degree murder. Most people here, by far, agree it was excessive force. That being said, I don't care about this case whatsoever other than hoping Chauvin doesn't get convicted for that. I've seen so many things where cops don't get charged, mostly white victims too. Sadly, I don't remember their names, the one where the cop is telling the guy to crawl to him, shoots him like five times when he was pulling up his pants, a guy answers his door with a gun, he drops the gun immediately, gets to the ground, the cop shoots him in the head 2 seconds later, a similar case to this where a man is schizophrenic is having a mental break, he's already detained when police arrive, they end up on his back, for 13 minutes, laughing half the time, and actually dies of asphyxiation, none of those people were charged. But yeah, we all are going to remember this reprobate's name, what a joke.
He’s likely guilty of assault but Antifa Keith wanted to appease the rabid base so they came in with trumped up charges.
He's guilty of excessive force. He's not guilty of Murder or Manslaughter.
Fenty Floyd was dying from an OD. They didn't know what he was taking because he was REEEEEE'ing for his Mama and how he can't breafe. Just like he did in 2019. EXACTLY WHAT HE DID IN 2019.
So how were they supposed to know he needed Narcan?
Chauvin shouldn't be a cop. But he's not a murderer.
Lol why shouldn't he be a cop? He did what was taught by their police academy and was in their documentation on how to subdue someone on the ground.
You can apply that logic to any job in the world. "Oh he fucked up that burger, didn't make it right." "He shouldn't be a chef". "Oh that IT guy skipped a step on accident." "Oh he shouldn't be in IT"
The only way they will pin anything on that man is if the jury is doxxed and intimidated, which the New York Times is trying to do.
It's sad that reasonable discussion hasn't been possible on this site. Both sides of the aisle claim this is an open and shut case, but if it were we wouldn't be here.
I doubt there will be a fair trial. I'm not interested in seeing the prosecution, but I do want to see the defense. Any idea how many weeks the prosecution will drone on?
I think the narrator starts this reasonably; excessive force as a contributing factor, while GF is ultimately responsible for the outcome.
I think the narrator makes a mistake: we can't tell how much force is on any knee or foot.
The narrator is correct, they couldve all gotten up and still restrained GF just fine. Talk him down! You don't have to try to explain excited delirium, but at least let him know your goal is to keep him alive until the ambulance gets there and that he needs to hold still. Failure to try is, to me, the most damning thing about the whole episode. Idk if that warrants any criminal charge though.
To restrain him without body weight just tell GF if he even moves they'll beat the crap out of him with 4 billy clubs. Had they all gotten off him and GF remained still and died anyway there'd be no charges.
Had the first cop on scene shot and killed GF in the first 30 seconds while he refused to show his right hand there'd be no charges and nobody wouldve been fired.
Had GF just driven away he might never have seen a cop.
And of course, he couldve just not been passing out fake 20 dollar bills.
2 weeks
They're bringing witnesses in saying that he was putting all his weight onto his knee. They can't possibly know that, but the Prosecution is going HARD with the water works and emotional angle.
No. That's not how it works. They don't know what he's on. He's clearly excited and there is a high chance if they let him up, he'd break and run down the street or something if he's on PCP and get hit by a car. They don't know. They also don't know if he's making it up. The best place for him was on the ground, on his face to make sure if he threw up he wouldn't drown in it.
They called the Ambulance. What more do you want them to do? They have to A.) Secure the scene from all the other ignorant monkey's screaming at the cops and getting threatening B.) Secure Floyd. Dude, do you realize that Floyd is something like 6'3 and over 220 pounds? He's a big fucking dude. It'd take more than one to subdue him.
You can't threaten people like that. It's literally against the rules. That hold Chauvin used however, is NOT against the rules and was authorized by the PD.
GF was a dead man the moment he took all that fent. His goal would be to cause an uproar so he wouldn't have to go to the city lockup and instead go to the hospital. He also did that to drum up sympathy from the judge so he'd go easy on him. He also may have thought he was fucked and he might as well get high to try to get it to last through county. Or he didn't want possession charges so he took everything he had on him. Either way, he fucked up.
4 cops there couldve restrained him no matter what. I've seen cops threaten a lot more than that, but not in decades. A recent vid, a cop threatened to shoot the perp again if he reached for his rifle. This was after that same cop had already shot him 5 x. Perp died.
Different jurisdiction though. Messed up if rules dictate a cop can't do the right thing and it risks someone's life.
Doesn't matter what he was on. At that time they suspected excited delirium and that's why they called the ambulance. There was no surprise to the cops there. This is the key to the defense, IMHO.
Approved hold or no, was it good judgment to maintain it for 9 minutes? Even after GF passed out and was possibly dead? I think that's the key to the prosecution.
The key to justice is when did CPR start. There would have been no vital signs. I haven't seen this info, have you? Did GF ever have vital signs after CPR started? If not, and CPR started immediately in the ambulance, it's reasonable to conclude GF died under Chauvin's knee. Even that wouldn't make this an open and shut case, but it would make for a difficult defense.