The actual argument is that a hate crime has a worse effect on the community as a whole. The enhancement isn’t for the murdered person, it’s for the social fabric. A robbery gone wrong makes people nervous to go out at night, a proper hate crime makes everyone nervous and distrustful in a multiculti community.
The hitch is that white folks arent exactly running around in the middle of the night pouring bleach on people on their way home from subway and trying to hang them with twine. Almost all hate crimes are done by black people and never get tried as such. Tough to find a group of white people kidnapping a handicapped black person and live-streaming the torture, or chanting kill blackie, or saying on Twatter how black people should all be killed for the alleged crimes of long dead people who share a hue.
A robbery gone wrong makes people nervous to go out at night, a proper hate crime makes everyone nervous and distrustful in a multiculti community.
I still don't see the juxtaposition in the argument. A robbery gone wrong makes everyone nervous and distrustful in any community. A crime of passion murder makes everyone nervous and distrustful of dating in any community. Etc, etc.. They all create some damage to the social fabric. Labelling hate crimes insinuates that this particular damage is more punishable. For what reason? Otherwise, it amounts to little more than virtue signaling to appease mob sensitivities. And it has the inherent danger of inferring a special crime, based on the races of the victim and perp, if abused in courts. The law should be structurally and culturally color blind.
Moreover, crimes against "the social fabric" are not clear and subject to wild opinion. Whereas actions and damage by and against individuals are more concrete.
I don't particularly disagree with anything you've said, just specifying the argument made in favor of hate crime legislation.
The juxtaposition between the two crimes is significant in that we live in a racially divided nation and a hate crime puts all folks of one race on notice.
Personally I'm happy with crime being illegal. Motive can come into play when it comes to sentencing, prison housing, or parole. But I don't think hate needs a separate charge.
The same folks that argue for hate crimes under the social fabric argument are the ones who want to do away with gang enhancements because it's racist. They obviously don't care about social fabric, they just want to be woke af.
Good argument dipshit
The actual argument is that a hate crime has a worse effect on the community as a whole. The enhancement isn’t for the murdered person, it’s for the social fabric. A robbery gone wrong makes people nervous to go out at night, a proper hate crime makes everyone nervous and distrustful in a multiculti community.
The hitch is that white folks arent exactly running around in the middle of the night pouring bleach on people on their way home from subway and trying to hang them with twine. Almost all hate crimes are done by black people and never get tried as such. Tough to find a group of white people kidnapping a handicapped black person and live-streaming the torture, or chanting kill blackie, or saying on Twatter how black people should all be killed for the alleged crimes of long dead people who share a hue.
I still don't see the juxtaposition in the argument. A robbery gone wrong makes everyone nervous and distrustful in any community. A crime of passion murder makes everyone nervous and distrustful of dating in any community. Etc, etc.. They all create some damage to the social fabric. Labelling hate crimes insinuates that this particular damage is more punishable. For what reason? Otherwise, it amounts to little more than virtue signaling to appease mob sensitivities. And it has the inherent danger of inferring a special crime, based on the races of the victim and perp, if abused in courts. The law should be structurally and culturally color blind.
Moreover, crimes against "the social fabric" are not clear and subject to wild opinion. Whereas actions and damage by and against individuals are more concrete.
I don't particularly disagree with anything you've said, just specifying the argument made in favor of hate crime legislation.
The juxtaposition between the two crimes is significant in that we live in a racially divided nation and a hate crime puts all folks of one race on notice.
Personally I'm happy with crime being illegal. Motive can come into play when it comes to sentencing, prison housing, or parole. But I don't think hate needs a separate charge.
The same folks that argue for hate crimes under the social fabric argument are the ones who want to do away with gang enhancements because it's racist. They obviously don't care about social fabric, they just want to be woke af.