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sgt_richard 8 points ago +8 / -0

"The trial enrolled 2,260 participants in the United States. "

One person made this comment I found interesting..

The article stated, "The trial enrolled 2,260 participants in the United States. There were 18 confirmed Covid-19 infections observed in the placebo group and no confirmed infections in the group that received the vaccine, the company said. Side effects were generally consistent in what was seen in adults."

So we are led to believe a 2,260 person test group were:

  1. All kept together in a controlled laboratory environment with the placebo group separated from the rest so there was no chance of cross-infection

  2. Initially tested both groups for the SARS-CoV-2 virus to establish a baseline. 18 persons of the placebo group were found to be infected. None of the non-placebo group tested positive for the virus

  3. Inoculated the non-placebo group with the vaccine all in the same day

  4. Exposed the non-placebo group to the current variant of the SARS-CoV-2 virus

  5. Tested the non-placebo group again at some period of time (14 days?) to observe if the virus was eliminated by the body's sensitized immune system

  6. Determined all recipients of the vaccine were found to be virus free, but did not disclose if the 18 infected in the placebo group metastasized into the COVID-19 disease that required hospitalization.

If the 18 infected in the placebo group did not require hospitalization, then what purpose does the vaccine serve?

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muslimporn 5 points ago +5 / -0

The real problem with the vaccine is this.

I'm not a partisan person and I can put myself in other people's shoes. For old people the risk might be worth it for man of the vaccine options one there (usually the less experimental).

This disease is like chicken pox. We all got it as kids and then after had immunity. But what if there was no chicken pox and it only came out today? Well with chicken pox if you didn't get it when older and got it after a certain age it becomes more lethal.

So for this one time only we need some special measures for the particularly vulnerable but the young should get it and it should circulate like chicken pox. It's just those that got old and didn't have it before need protections.

I'm going to be honest, for them the risk of infection versus side effects from the vaccine balance out at the least.

For young people it's unnecessary. The virus is not a risk so why add more with the vaccine?

If you do a targeted role out and simply make it available, young people will calculate their own risks, most will say no, older people will calculate their risks and say well maybe.

It's when you start to roll it out on scale an unnecessarily the biggest risks really present. For younger people there's a lot more you can mess with while they're still crystalising.

But also it's like over prescribing anti-biotics. The science shows you almost certainly will only produce a super bug. The vaccine isn't effective enough to use on everyone and wipe it out like smallpox. It'll still be there just suppressed, and it will evolve to over come the dampening or jamming, it's just a matter of time, it's guaranteed.

If you start to vaccinate everyone rather than just the minimum needed in the moment for the maximum effect you will through eugenics make people weaker and the virus stronger. They will have to live on vaccines for generations to survive.

I'm telling you this as not a biased person. Roll this out to everyone and make everyone take it it's a matter of fact, it really is settled science. You will make a man made disaster. Just make it available and let those who need it most take it but the rest don't need it.

If you see people giving it to youngsters that is an EMERGENCY. You need to stop it at any cost. In that situation the future of mankind depends on you.

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LesboPregnancyScare 1 point ago +1 / -0

This disease is like chicken pox. We all got it as kids and then after had immunity. But what if there was no chicken pox and it only came out today? Well with chicken pox if you didn't get it when older and got it after a certain age it becomes more lethal.

first born from an immigrant family here. My father was bed ridden for a week when he got chicken pox in his 40s, it didnt exist it in his home country.

PS: its called Shingles when you are an adult.