If this subject interests you, you might physically travel to one of these places and see for yourself. When people are traveling again. Not right now.
No, I don't think research sitting in a chair with a keyboard is enough, if you are going to disagree with so much that has been said by those who were physically there.
The whole thing took a long time, years. It was over all of Europe, vast distances and many locations, each with varying events.
The killing gas was indeed developed originally for vermin, to kill vermin in a building. Not people. It was so deadly it was impractical for that use. Then later they used it on people. After first using other methods. Of course there were many ways to die, not just gas. There is no one story. There were lots of stories.
The Americans took their own photos and made their own observations.
I am certainly for free speech. This is a big deal however.
As for your other points, you have to understand just how weird these events were. Crazy and weird. Not what you or a rational person would have done. Weird as weird gets. A vast operation against an unarmed, civilian, fairly assimilated but still different, population.
Yes, they did indeed put ugly striped clothes on people, partly to make it harder for them to escape unnoticed, and partly just from being a bit psychotic about that race of people, and then worked them as long as they lasted, including for sex and experimentation, until they became useless, when they killed them. So don't say you wouldn't clothe and house people you were intending to kill.
The trains always arrived with more, all the time. There was no need to economize them. There were plenty of new ones to be have their usefulness extracted, then discarded.
And then there was the pure crazy factor. This was not a rational situation. No American can comprehend the pure craziness. The irrational aspect.
"That doesn't make sense," some say. No, it doesn't. It really doesn't.
Obviously, and this goes with your point, nobody houses and clothes people they can't extract work or sex from, which is why the old and children were killed the same day they arrived. Using various methods, in the many various places. Some places were large, some were not large, some are famous, some are little known outside their localities.
So why are people bringing this up as being relevant to today's goings-on?
Because it's getting weird out there, and demonization of The Other, meaning us, is going on, and has been, for four long years since January 2017, and was this never adequately confronted, either philosophically or legally.
A major political figure hurled a word of strong general disapproval, "deplorable," at one quarter of the American population. Meaning, half of the half of the general population, that disagreed with her. That was the opening event, and the social fabric was ripped then, and remains ripped.
People to be deplored.
That's your yellow star, and it is very concerning.
I think that is what this post was originally about.
Go to Auschwitz and see what? A fake "gas chamber" with an ill fitting wood door and an exhaust chimney that was built after the war by the USSR who used it as propaganda?
David Cole, aka David Stein, went to Auschwitz and filmed the "gas chamber" on the tour. He showed the ill fitting wood door and the post war renovations. He interviewed the tour guide and the head of the historical department and turned it into an amateur documentary.
One guy? He may be crazy or working out his own stuff about this. Whoever he is, good or ill, he is one guy.
And, maybe the Americans didn't confine those Mexicans in a room with a lot of it, and make them breathe it?
Nobody should travel there now, but in time you might want to see for yourself. There are all kinds of judgments that one picks up when one is there on the spot, judgments that are your own. Yes, it's a tourist destination now. But you can form your own impressions even with that.
But let such things not happen to us, which was the point of the original post.
Why do you ignore the fact that the USSR installed a ventilation chimney into the gas chamber after the war? The tour guide at Auschwitz admitted it on camera, as did her boss.
Without an exhaust vent, there would have been no way to get the gas out before sending in people to remove the dead bodies after being gassed.
Without seals on the wooden door, there was no way to contain all of the gas inside the chamber. The people operating it would have been exposed to gas.
Look at real gas chambers used to execute people. They have extremely tight fitting steel doors.
If I visit Auschwitz will I be able to see the pool they had? How about the nursery? Will I be able to see the theater stage where the prisoners were allowed to put on plays and band rehearsals?
It seems they went through a lot of unnecessary effort when the prisoners were all being murdered as fast as humanly possible. Why build a nursery for the children born there? Why not just kill the pregnant women?
Try using your brain and not your emotions. You offer no logical response, you just appeal to emotions by saying "go there, see it".
There were phony pleasant things staged for to impress the Red Cross and Western visitors. To disguise the reality.
Why, during a major war, would Germany mount a pleasant place to house prisoners, with amenities, when its troops were suffering in the field? In a war, every button, every nail, every piece of string are needed for the war effort.
How would children get born there, when the men and women were in different barracks?
You do use the word "prisoners" not "workers." So, some kind of force is implied in that word.
The tour guide and her boss admitting things in a staged film, not someone talking you heard with your own ears, or a trusted friend, right on the site, is not impressive. It is a staged film.
If this subject interests you, you might physically travel to one of these places and see for yourself. When people are traveling again. Not right now.
No, I don't think research sitting in a chair with a keyboard is enough, if you are going to disagree with so much that has been said by those who were physically there.
The whole thing took a long time, years. It was over all of Europe, vast distances and many locations, each with varying events.
The killing gas was indeed developed originally for vermin, to kill vermin in a building. Not people. It was so deadly it was impractical for that use. Then later they used it on people. After first using other methods. Of course there were many ways to die, not just gas. There is no one story. There were lots of stories.
The Americans took their own photos and made their own observations.
You don’t spend your time, energy, money, man power, medicine, clothing for your labor force of workers (pow’s) just to throw them in an oven
You don't Send a 89 year old women to Jail for Just Denying Holocaust and a comedian for making a Joke about it
You don't remove video mentioning anything about Holocaust in Youtube and just because it 'hurts' them
Thankfully more people are awake that it never happened
I am certainly for free speech. This is a big deal however.
As for your other points, you have to understand just how weird these events were. Crazy and weird. Not what you or a rational person would have done. Weird as weird gets. A vast operation against an unarmed, civilian, fairly assimilated but still different, population.
Yes, they did indeed put ugly striped clothes on people, partly to make it harder for them to escape unnoticed, and partly just from being a bit psychotic about that race of people, and then worked them as long as they lasted, including for sex and experimentation, until they became useless, when they killed them. So don't say you wouldn't clothe and house people you were intending to kill.
The trains always arrived with more, all the time. There was no need to economize them. There were plenty of new ones to be have their usefulness extracted, then discarded.
And then there was the pure crazy factor. This was not a rational situation. No American can comprehend the pure craziness. The irrational aspect.
"That doesn't make sense," some say. No, it doesn't. It really doesn't.
Obviously, and this goes with your point, nobody houses and clothes people they can't extract work or sex from, which is why the old and children were killed the same day they arrived. Using various methods, in the many various places. Some places were large, some were not large, some are famous, some are little known outside their localities.
So why are people bringing this up as being relevant to today's goings-on?
Because it's getting weird out there, and demonization of The Other, meaning us, is going on, and has been, for four long years since January 2017, and was this never adequately confronted, either philosophically or legally.
A major political figure hurled a word of strong general disapproval, "deplorable," at one quarter of the American population. Meaning, half of the half of the general population, that disagreed with her. That was the opening event, and the social fabric was ripped then, and remains ripped.
People to be deplored.
That's your yellow star, and it is very concerning.
I think that is what this post was originally about.
Go to Auschwitz and see what? A fake "gas chamber" with an ill fitting wood door and an exhaust chimney that was built after the war by the USSR who used it as propaganda?
David Cole, aka David Stein, went to Auschwitz and filmed the "gas chamber" on the tour. He showed the ill fitting wood door and the post war renovations. He interviewed the tour guide and the head of the historical department and turned it into an amateur documentary.
Oh yes, the USA was using zyclon b to delouse Mexicans back in 1920. It did not kill them. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/zyklon-b-us-border/
So much of what you claim you "know" just isn't so.
Still waiting for your detailed documents about gas chambers that the nazis were famous for...
One guy? He may be crazy or working out his own stuff about this. Whoever he is, good or ill, he is one guy. And, maybe the Americans didn't confine those Mexicans in a room with a lot of it, and make them breathe it?
Nobody should travel there now, but in time you might want to see for yourself. There are all kinds of judgments that one picks up when one is there on the spot, judgments that are your own. Yes, it's a tourist destination now. But you can form your own impressions even with that.
But let such things not happen to us, which was the point of the original post.
Why do you ignore the fact that the USSR installed a ventilation chimney into the gas chamber after the war? The tour guide at Auschwitz admitted it on camera, as did her boss.
Without an exhaust vent, there would have been no way to get the gas out before sending in people to remove the dead bodies after being gassed.
Without seals on the wooden door, there was no way to contain all of the gas inside the chamber. The people operating it would have been exposed to gas.
Look at real gas chambers used to execute people. They have extremely tight fitting steel doors.
If I visit Auschwitz will I be able to see the pool they had? How about the nursery? Will I be able to see the theater stage where the prisoners were allowed to put on plays and band rehearsals?
It seems they went through a lot of unnecessary effort when the prisoners were all being murdered as fast as humanly possible. Why build a nursery for the children born there? Why not just kill the pregnant women?
Try using your brain and not your emotions. You offer no logical response, you just appeal to emotions by saying "go there, see it".
There were phony pleasant things staged for to impress the Red Cross and Western visitors. To disguise the reality.
Why, during a major war, would Germany mount a pleasant place to house prisoners, with amenities, when its troops were suffering in the field? In a war, every button, every nail, every piece of string are needed for the war effort.
How would children get born there, when the men and women were in different barracks?
You do use the word "prisoners" not "workers." So, some kind of force is implied in that word.
The tour guide and her boss admitting things in a staged film, not someone talking you heard with your own ears, or a trusted friend, right on the site, is not impressive. It is a staged film.