Is he a perfect embodiment of our movement? No. Does he unfairly criticize Trump at times in a very leftist manner? Yes and I hate it. Does he believe the election was stolen despite mountains of evidence? No and I hate that too.
But is he correct on issues the vast majority of the time? Yes. Is he slowly amassing a giant conservative entertainment media conglomerate to finally fight against the left wing media base? Yes. Is he redpilling people left and right while regularly shitting savagely on leftists? Hell yes.
I get that Shapiro isn’t the 100% America First media mogul we need. But he’s damn close and I feel like making him out as a “leftist ally” and “enemy” is a step too far.
Hes a vaccine pusher. I can't understand how someone can be for individual freedoms and at the same time push for mandatory vaccines.
This.
He is a mandatory vaccine cuck.
His wife is a doctor.
So is Fauchi. There are so many doctors who lie for various reasons. The plandemic has proved just how untrustworthy and corrupt many doctors are.
I was just poking fun at the fact that he brings it up a lot. Not defending his position at all.
Uh so? There are many fields of medicine and irregardless doctors are just people. Who can be wrong and subject to motives other than altruism.
I was just poking fun at the fact that he brings it up a lot. Not defending his position at all.
Because Benji was created to gain followers and their trust so he could mislead them on issues that matter to his creators. Issues that without Benjis "interventions" his audience would come down on in opposition to those desired by Benjis creators.
Out of any 100 issues, I will agree with him on 90 of them. I don’t see that as a bigger problem than boon.
On surface skater issues or foundational ones?. You give no clue about the list. Fyi successful pied pipers traditionally try to stay in the 90% agree with your prey range. It builds up your preys trust so when you mislead at critical junctures, 10% of the time, your prey trusts and follows you despite their reservations.
Stormfags hate him. I dislike his establishment views. He is a globalist. He does great combating the lefts Marxism stupidity which helps red-pill. Outside of that, his views are like Romney.
Pretty good summary. I hate stormfags and always call them out, but Ben sucks even without touching the zionist part. Hes a milque toast "conservative" in the worse sense of the word in that he has this dorky, autism, detached, technocratic worldview where he sees people as nothing more than numbers on a spread sheet. Going on the zionist part, hes pretty horrible on that aspect too. He wrote an article a while back where he straight up calls for Israel to just steam roll and take over the entire levant by just ethnically cleansing any Palestinians or arab-muslims in the way.
Hes pretty good on calling out SJW shit, but thats the standard now. Its like hes still stuck in 2016 and isnt able to grow with the changing political landscape and by now he has more marks against him than for him.
I had a roommate in college from Palestine. He was a hysterical leftist and my views of Palestine are tilted as a result. They seem to blame everyone and always play victim. He was a member of pro-Palestine group and they would rob you blind and blame you for it. I have no compassion for them I know every country has shitting political groups and movements, including Israel.
Ben seems to be a Bush-era pundit that sits on the fence on major American First policy but he bends over backwards for globalist.
Tucker has actual insight, at times, a coherent world view and models some basic persuasion tactics. Benjis a NOPE in all three areas.
I hear you and mostly agree but my overall point is that the good he does for our movement far outweighs the bad. That’s my only point.
He keeps us divided are critical points that are hurting the country. Would we be better off without Shapiro? Probably not. He does help red-pill but we have many Shapiros out there now.
I keep hearing iterations of "give him a break because mUh rEd pILlS". Ive never been offered evidence that anyone who claims Benji red pilled them wouldn't have been red pilled by someone else whose red pills didn't include so much poison. Bottom line every pied piper has to dispense enough perceived "red pills" to gain the trust of their prey. Its the poison content that's key and the lethality of the poison. In my assessment, Benji is a well paid, carefully groomed assassin. Candy red pills do not distract me from the many poison pills he's peddled over a long period of time. Its puzzling to read comments that seem so blaise about his lethality.
That's the gold standard, now? "His good outweighs his bad"? Pathetic, if true.
Isn't that the case for literally everyone? Nobody is purely good. Everyone, including Trump, has their faults. Unless you're advocating for an authoritarian regime, we're always going to need to look for the folks who bring a net positive.
What do your comments have to do with Benji? Sincerely question. How do you determine when "moving in the same direction" indicates a safe ally? Even mortal foes strategically move in the same direction to more effectively defeat/kill you. All of the time. So your suggestion that's a valid criteria to use perhaps deserves more reflection? Liz Cheney? Kinzinger? RINOs? Romney? Genuinely puzzled. Perhaps ponder more?
Benji does not offer a net positive unless you're scoring from Cult Deaths perspective.
I mean he can argue circles around clueless college that regurgitate propaganda like a champ....
Fan bois clap. No one else is persuaded. Performative cruelty and humiliation "entertainment" for nerds. Guilt free. Participation proves superior smarts and higher principles. Benji said so and his wife's a doctor and he's super smart and oh yeah, he went to Harvard so I beLIEve him. Sigh.
Since nobody on earth is perfect, I’d say that’s everyone’s gold standard.
Yea Hillary? Welcome Joe? Howdy Harris? Nobody is perfect so everyone gets a pass? Whew, the strain of making critical evaluations and judgments narrowly averted. Thank God for platitudes.
You should be able to disagree with someone and not write them off entirely. The right is not the left and should encourage debate and not be tempted to shut people up who say things we don't like.
I didn't say that I'd write him off entirely. You did.
I didn't say that he should shut up. You did.
By the way, the commies are now firmly in control of this county and it's culture. Yet you say we should continue to "encourage debate." How's that been working out for us?
You said it is "pathetic" to say "his good outweighs the bad". How else could you possibly interpret that other than the only thing that is not pathetic is being "good" 100% of the time?
I would ask you how well quashing other peoples' opinions worked out when this site mass downvoted people who criticized the hopium. If you want to get into a roid rage and sabre rattle be my guest. Ben Shapiro has been way more effective at growing the conservative movement than 99% of people have been.
Source: Benji or your self serving imagination? Fyi Benjis "conservative movement" is antithetical to Trumps movement although his fan bois don't realize that, by design. Judas goat rule: never scare the sheep you're leading until its too late for them to escape.
Writing him off completely is prudent. For many reasons. Shut him up? Nope. Stormfags, commies, Benjis all need more exposure of their poison, not less.
How nice to hear you are open to Hillary. And Obama. And soooo many others. For what its worth I don't bother with Benji after doing lengthy research on him icluding watching shows/reading articles. He has ZERO to offer that's of any value or I can't get from someone else with far greater intelligence, experience, education, wit and/or charisma. Plus he includes toxic disinformation constantly. I can not trust him. Why anyone wastes any time on him with so much going on and so many authentic options is a mystery. A frightening one.
Hillary and Obama's bad far outweigh their good. This is liberal-tier logic right here to assume that because I support not canceling Ben that I support Hillary.
Double speak inversion of reality.
"Our movement"? What movement is that? If you're referring to Trumps vision and the MAGA movement then Benji is an existential threat to both Trump and MAGA. Has been for years. Benjis was left behind enemy lines where he could do maximum damage when more senior operatives were unmasked, lost their followers and influence in conservative normie world and migrated to Democrat World where they could inflict damage as MSM " conservative " talking heads. Think Bill Kristol, Max Boot, French. Jennifer Rubin.
Benji, being second string, wasn't as publically damaged during the "conservative" battle to destroy Trump and elect Hillary. This allowed him to stay behind enemy lines, rehab his reputation and retain influence with "muh Trump did this good thing bUt..." Mind poisoning marketed as being objective. WeRe nOt a cUlT gUyS. WeRe tOo sMaRt aNd pRiNvIpLeD tO bE bLiNd fOlLoWeRs oR cUlTiSts lIkE TrUmPs MAGA BrOs. Accepting then parroting disinformation marketed as proof of superior intelligence and principled virtue. Lmao. Clever. Evil. Effective.
Stormfags are really shitting up the joint lately.
I will take your word. I've been off work this week so any stormfag stuff is new to me. We never had this issue on TD/Reddit. I joined td win a week before the move and stepped away after it happened. How are the mods? They seem kinda green.
The mods aren't bad. But the amount of "DA JOOOS" content lately is less than desirable.
Good goy.
I know pray for kek is good. Seems they have brought on a lot of new mods. I guess they are getting trained. I came here one day and left after I saw the stickies. All MSM outlets linked with race and tranny shit. Meanwhile our country is being invaded. Utter shame. Hopefully they get up to speed and kick out the faggots.
Banal bogey man. Muh sToRmFaGs. "Anyone who disagrees with Benji fan bois is a nazeeeeeee". Time for a dose of MSM programming?
Red pill? Perhaps you imagine because you enjoy Benjis "interactions" with leftists that hes persuasive and his techniques should be emulated? In fact hes teaching how to NEVER be able to persuade reachables but rather how to kill and humiliate them in ways satisfying to his fans. Without guilt of course, they're red killing attempts after all. Libtards are just too stupid to take them. So its OK to punish them. Guilt free glee. Gladiator fights for nerd bros who imagine debate club scoring represents the real word. He's doing everyone a huuuuge disservice and furthering our divides. Unnecessarily. Knowingly. Cruelly.
What you say makes sense. I haven't watched Shapiro in a while. Back in the day, he would have interviews, public speaking appearances, soft debate with a host asking questions that led to Q & A at the end that led to humiliation.
There is a science to breaking through to radicals. It starts by giving them something to chew on. This leads to them coming back and attacking with questions and their facts. Humiliation could be a way to tap the mind of hard core know-it-alls in college. I've seen various styles and Ben has his own way. The person walks away angry. Peterson does it gently and the person receiving his response doesn't grasp his rebuttal immediately. It requires them to piece his response together which could cause confusion. Unless of course it is documented.
Ben is a Never Trumper cuck.
He's worse than a Gimmecrat, he pretends to be on our side like Romney...he's just better at it.
I’ve addressed my distaste in his viewpoints of Trump and I share your disappointment. However, he does more good for the overall conservative movement than bad and by a wide margin.
Good, how? How are we better off today because of Benji? He hates Trump, he loves Israel, he's a fucking RINO.
You're all giddy and excited about this fucking nasally dipshit? Goddamn, if that's true, we really ARE in a shitload of trouble ...
I disagree. I think he causes way more problems than he helps with. But we can always agree to disagree.
With everyone? You are aware that very evil people intentionally use agreement to gain their victims trust? Please reconsider the criteria you're using. Perhaps include more than just we agree most of the time so okie dokey
I think you misunderstand what I meant.
Everyone still on YouTube had to kiss the Biden election fraud ring, Shapiro kissed the ring. Crowder did not
Got it, but don't forget the big picture, amigo. Take the wins where you can.
I think he's saying that Shapiro is not a win, despite any appearance to the contrary.
He's good on the Floyd scam. Pick your battles. Agreed
Agreed Romney bashing has to stop. Now.
I don’t know how anyone with a working brain can try to argue this election was free and fair.
I will give you this one for sure. Breaks my heart whenever he insinuates that this election wasn’t stolen. BUT, the other 95% of his monologue is usually razor sharp and spot on.
Surprised at his stance that the election was not rigged. For a man that loves statistics and "Facts don't care about your feelings" he seemed very quick to dismiss any fraud arguments as "silly". Really out of character. Wonder if it had to do with being a fox news contributor and the exposure it brings him in promoting his brand.
So much this.
How would you know? Serious question. No snark. You seem to be VERY dismissive of many commenters who absolutely disagree with your assessment. Perhaps youre too influenced by Benjis carefully orchestrated PR, branding and marketing operation or, more accurately, his creators operation. If so, unsurprising, they're professionals and you were targeted.
No thanks. Shapiro is a fucking grifting piece of shit that's so fucking fairweather, it's not even funny.
And before you keep saying that, you realize he's a nevertrump guy right? He's the embodiment of a RINO and holds all of their causes dear because they are paying him to.
you need people to stand up when it matters. he did not. and his main priority is israel, not america.
He got Corey Lewindowsky fired. Ben is a fucking liar.
I agree.
He puts Israel ahead of America.
He was a never-Trumper.
He came from nowhere cause he took the ticket.
"I’ve began watching Ben Shapiro lately "
Well, that explains why you don't know "what all the hate about him is about."
I ignore him when it comes to hollyweird and israel. Other than that - he's great!
Like on what? He's NOT "great" on anything. He's knowingly deceptive on alot. Its like saying sure there's poisoned m & m's in this bowl but yum yum this one was delicious and didn't kill me so more please!
There are few others that enter the frenzied CULTure of the universities and smack the Useful Idiots up side their feels. I guess that makes him OUR useful half-idiot, but nevertheless, SCORES of these idiots have been shown to their faces that their so-called well-thought-out bumper-sticker talking points are so easily swept away. And while I do enjoy the entertainment value of such a thing, what is most important is that he forces them to think (and I am sure you and I can agree that is something in short supply (insert short Ben Shapiro joke here)). #WAR is about using whatever resources you have to obtain your objective, and that includes using people who appear to be only half on your side. I only trust him from one sentence to the next. But "cancelling" someone who has entered the Useful Idiot factories and thrown a wrench in their machinery is foolish.
He said Jesus Was Just a Man.👀👉🗣🤡
He's an Israel first Neocon thats not always retarded.
you described fox news
fuck fox news
People on the right don't dislike shapiro because he isn't America first, they dislike him because he is obviously isreal first, and that clashes with the very idea of being American. And sure, he DOES get some issues right - but man, the issues he is on the wrong side of - election fraud, mandatory vaccinations/passports - he basically comes across as controlled opposition. If he were an elected official, I imagine he'd go RINO pretty quick.
Ben Shapiro is grade A Retail Conservatism.
But he is NOT MAGA.
He wants head pats from the establishment.
He won’t go there.
He will bow to pressure.
He is the deep state approved Republican option, and he loves middle east wars.
I agree. I'm not really a big fan anymore but he played a big part in redpilling me when I was younger.
Fuck Shapiro, Mark Levin is where my allegiance lies
Sorry, America First or nothing.
Shapiro is a loser cuck globalist just like HalfricanAmericanMan
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Agreed.
Sorry Ben, your content wasn't that compelling to begin with and when you get it wrong on top of that..
Same issue Scott Adams is having right now. When he was analyzing Trump's persuasion techniques he had a highly relevant podcast that was pretty much the only place you could go to for serious analysis on how Trump communicated. Now his show boils down to telling people to trust the experts and accept whatever the narrative is on vaccines, lockdowns, masks, and election fraud.
The worst part about that is Scott recommended the Psychology of Persuasion by Cialdini, which has a whole chapter on persuasion through authority, and he doesn't even realize the degree to which he is vulnerable to persuasion by authority on so many issues. He openly encourages listeners to turn off their judgement and accept authority.
Fascinating insights around Scott. Is Cialdinis book worth the time investment? I'm super selective about what I read now but open to more info on Cult Death persuasion/manipulation tactics. Relevant considering the 24!7 psy op attacks. Armouring up.
Cialdini's book is very good and worth reading, though it could use a rewrite with modern examples. Sort of a companion book to How to Win Friends and Influence People.
It brings a lot of subtle technique into the open for discussion.
Sigh. Observations: You state the huuuuge foundational things Benji has been/is dead wrong on. Over and over again siding with Cult Death. While your list is VERY incomplete, kudos for noticing how consequentialy wrong Benjis "judgement" has been. How consequentially wrong? This tier wrong: Vote for Hitler guys. Whoopsie. Yea Lenin. Support the Revolution guys. Whoopsie. Guys, Maos Cultural Revolution deserves your support. Whoopsie.
You then pivot to asserting that despite these whoopsies, Benji is worth listening to because he "gets it". Gets IT? You use a pronoun without first establishing the antecedent ie noun the pronoun is replacing. What the heck does Benji " get" that is so super duper amazing that it warrants risking being intentionally influenced to choose death, literally, over life? "Guys, the serial killers candy is yummy. Ignore his past victims. We'll be OK. Focus on the cAnDy."
Hopefully you will quickly learn that Benji is a well compensated, manufactured pied piper targeting vulnerables who need to be a follower and are naive enough to buy the marketing that Benji is super smart and well educated so they trust him. "He's smarter than me and graduated from Harvard, bro". In fact, Benji is a midwit. Above average IQ at best. Definitely not in the superior range much less Trumps genius range. Benjis range makes him a skillful parrot of other peoples ideas. It also makes him a defender of the banal status quo and a despiser of geniuses who midwits like Benji always view as dumber than they are and insane/reckless/disturbing.
Benji is paid to gain followers. Paid to gain their trust. Why? So at KEY junctures he can fatally mislead you. PLEASE, I beg of you, stop shilling for him because he's passing out yummy candy. Please hone your discernment and your survival instincts.