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jstressman 1 point ago +1 / -0

So all the other viruses that have made the leap to humans were all intentional, man made bioweapons?

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preferredfault 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's a silly assertion. What is more realistic is that there isn't not any virus that made the leap to humans to be used as a bioweapon. And considering the:

  1. Secrecy that allowed the virus to go unchecked and spread globally
  2. Unrestricted international travel by the well-aware Chinese government that allowed the virus to spread globally

....It's clear the spread of the virus was intentional and meant to have the global effects that it had. You can't even bring it down to negligence. It's unthinkable that when a new virus is rampaging through a country, that you wouldn't stop international travel. And even though the virus is clearly not as deadly today as it was considered at first, it was definitely very deadly at the start from every perspective, so there's simply no excuse. It was mainly deadly in China because Chinese 'professional' healthcare is primarily based on holistic medicine, and the poor general state of health of the Chinese populace was clearly demonstrated.

You know what rice is? It's sugar. That's what your body turns it into when breaking it down. Rice is literally as bad for you as eating a candy bar. It's almost exactly the same as eating pure table sugar, and that's not hyperbole. As we know, China eats a lot of rice. On average, an adult Chinese person will eat 170lbs of rice in a year.

So you can essentially look at it as if they are eating 170lbs of sugar a year. Granted the average American isn't that much better, consuming 152 pounds of sugar a year. But Chinese don't only eat rice, they eat other sweet stuff too. That American sugar consumption is total sugar. The Chinese rice consumption is not a total. With that in consideration, the average Chinese person probably is technically consuming well over 200lbs of sugar a year. Then there's a plethora of other reasons why Chinese populace as a whole, is even less healthy (and thus more susceptible to illness) than even obese populations.

But the point is, from China's standpoint, they were dealing with a deadly new virus, and they did nothing to stop its spread internationally. As they were literally boarding people up into their homes, they were also boarding people to fly internationally in huge numbers. That's not a mere oversight, that can't be anything but intentional and motivated by nefarious intent.

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jstressman 1 point ago +1 / -0

Your core premise at the start is stupid.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zoonosis

It's been happening for literally thousands of years, since long before recorded history, as we can see from the remnants of retroviruses left in our genome etc.

The idea that these were all human created bioweapons takes a special kind of stupid.

Do I think China is above using bioweapons? Absolutely not.

Does that mean all human viruses were created as bioweapons? Absolutely not. Does that even mean covid19 was? Again, no.

Does that mean China could have exploited an existing spreading virus to create global panic and push communist authoritarian ideology? Quite plausible. It was probably a leak from a lab due to incompetence (we've had failures here as well) that got out of hand and they first botched the coverup, then tried to exploit it etc.

But most viruses, even the nasty ones, are perfectly natural. Nature is a bitch.

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preferredfault 1 point ago +1 / -0

What you're doing is creating a straw man argument, i.e. posing an argument that was never made. Of course it happens naturally. But being able to do it artificially is clearly beneficial in making bio weapons, especially since it's much easier to attack with an existing virus that is suddenly human transmissible, rather than a designer virus that would have zero deniability by the very nature of the tell tale signs of being engineered.

What makes it an attack though, has nothing to do with whether the virus naturally became human transmissible or was coaxed. What makes it an attack is how China behaved in response to the virus. They hid it for months and allowed their people to travel abroad in droves to spread it globally. As they were locking people in their homes and blocking roads with boulders, they allowed people to board international flights in record numbers.