Not really. Lethal force is only justified to prevent imminent death or serious bodily harm to a human being.
So it's entirely understandable to want to kill someone for committing that kind of act but it's not justifiable unless you killed the guy while he was commiting the act.
Edit: you all can downvote me all you want but all this "I don't understand how someone could NOT murder a child molester!" shit seriously sounds like a bunch of white knighting. Murder is not an acceptable response to any heinous crime.
You and people like you represent a danger to society that is nearly on par with the pedophiles
Why becuase I don't support people taking the law into their own hands especially when it involves taking a life? That kind of shit will only lead to innocent people being murdered. There is a reason the founding fathers made the system for convicting someone of a crime difficult. You don't get to become judge, jury and executionor just because the crime committed is truly evil.
Lemme guess: you think the primary function of prison is rehabilitation lol.
No, the primary function is clearly punishment, but unless the person is sentenced to life in prison then the primary function should be rehabilitation, and the secondary function should be punishment.
If we intend to let someone out of prison, we should take steps to insure they won't return the the life that led them to prison in the first place.
lol you logic would work if she didn't have to go to the hospital and needed stitches. And the '11' other girls.
But you know, executions are an important part of society, if our justice system weren't mostly laughable I'd agree with you more. Actually I wish I can agree with you completely, and that a slow but robust justice system can be trusted with executions.
But then I look at the FBI investigating a fake noose, but nada on voter fraud. Hard times fren.
lol you logic would work if she didn't have to go to the hospital and needed stitches. And the '11' other girls.
For lethal force to be justified the threat needs to be imminent, not maybe again in the future, not two hours ago, but right fucking now. As in if lethal force is not used this with happen in seconds or continue happening in the present. If dad walked in on his daughter being raped he'd be entirely justified in shooting the rapist. If the rapist tried to abduct the girl and the father saw it he'd be entirely justified in shooting the abductor. Going to the guys house and executing him is not legally or morally justified, no matter how much we agree and sympathize with the desire to do so.
But you know, executions are an important part of society, if our justice system weren't mostly laughable I'd agree with you more. Actually I wish I can agree with you completely, and that a slow but robust justice system can be trusted with executions.
The death penalty is an entirely different conversation, one plagued with a similar problem "what if an innocent man is executed". But at least then the system does have some checks and balances like a court, council and jury.
But then I look at the FBI investigating a fake noose, but nada on voter fraud. Hard times fren
Agreed, some arms of our justice system, especially at a federal level have their priorities all fucked up. But that's not an excuse to commit murder.
It's not socially acceptable but it's very much understandable, in fact I understand it better than not wanting to get vengeance. If someone did that to a family member I'd want to brain them with a hammer.
With a functioning justice system I agree, vigilante justice is not the way to go, but the current system seems more interested in punishing kids that do drugs than rapists and pedos. What good is 4 years or less in prison? Should leave them there to rot.
Sex criminals (the non falsely accused that is) can't be rehabilitated, this is long known - old police studies found each would have upward of dozens, if not hundreds of victims, no exaggeration here. They are not normal people.
Correct. You cannot "cure" paedophilia just like you cannot take a hetero adult and "cure" them and make them turn gay. Paedo's have high rates of recidivism. Both my father and brother have been to prison when they were young. They have both told me stories of paedo's, or rock spiders as we call them in Australia, being Epsteined. This is why they are protected in prison - which is a great shame.
A guy of 16 we knew sexually assaulted me when I was 13 - my father grabbed his shotty and we went hunting. The only reason he didn't shoot him was because I didn't want my dad to go to jail. His face was however forever imprinted with the shape of the stock. He never did it again. It worked. A court case would have likely resulted in a slap on the wrist and the reinforcement in the fucktards mind that you can get away with being a sexual predator if you plan more carefully. I hope he looks at his ugly face in the mirror every day and remembers =)
He must have been in the 10% that don't reoffend - normally even castration etc. doesn't stop it or make them change their ways.
You have a great father. Both for his first reaction and the fact he listened when you didn't want him to get locked up. I still don't understand parents that just take it lying down.
A few years ago in Germany a woman took a gun to court where the man who assaulted and killed her daughter was on trial, she blew him away. They gave her something around 6-8 years for it.
Vengeance is evil. Pedophiles need to be taken out of society to protect children, either by the courts or through extrajudicial means if they won’t do it. That doesn’t make it ok to hate the pedo. They wouldn’t be one if they could help it. In fact, it’s the same evil spirit driving them which causes you to hate them and seek retribution.
Nobody's forcing them to molest kids in the first place - plenty of heterosexual people live chaste lives, how is this even justification? The non offending ones need serious help, maybe one day we'll be able to cure their diseased minds, but the moment they touch a child I couldn't care less if someone shoved them feet first into a woodchipper.
I think it's more evil not to want vengeance against someone that assaults your child, that shows a level of apathy that is unnerving, at that point you're almost more of a machine than a human being.
Yes, the Bible says to leave vengeance to the lord, but it also says the punishment for rapists is death.
True, justification isn't possible, There is nothing right about murdering someone else. But there is also nothing right about raping a young girl. There is especially nothing right about the police not having enough evidence to even look at the guy. Where is the justification there? In the end, the father doesn't care what happens to him anymore. It doesn't matter whether killing the rapist is justified or not. It's a thing that needs to get done because it's the only form of justice that will come for his daughter, when the justice system fails. That's his justification. And that's all that matters.
Besides, it is excusable under the law via a heat of passion defense. Not justifiable, but excusable. There's a difference.
This guy probably didn't get heat of passion because he waited until the police said they wouldn't investigate the pedo. He sort of planned it out by going to get his gun etc.
Heat of passion is more like snapping in the moment you hear about it, going straight to the pedo and killing him with whatever you find along the way or even bare hands.
But there is also nothing right about raping a young girl.
I am absolutely one hundred precent not defending rapists.
There is especially nothing right about the police not having enough evidence to even look at the guy.
Thats why I think this story is fake every time it makes the rounds. A child needing stitches from some sort of rape after being at a friend's house and that child stating who raped her is definitely enough evidence to get a warrant. At which point the stated video tapes would have been found.
It's a thing that needs to get done because it's the only form of justice that will come for his daughter, when the justice system fails.
It's not. Murder is not justifiable. If the guy did it and the system fails, keep tabs on him, catch him in the act, use lethal force then. That's the only way it's justified and morally sound.
Not really. Lethal force is only justified to prevent imminent death or serious bodily harm to a human being.
So it's entirely understandable to want to kill someone for committing that kind of act but it's not justifiable unless you killed the guy while he was commiting the act.
Edit: you all can downvote me all you want but all this "I don't understand how someone could NOT murder a child molester!" shit seriously sounds like a bunch of white knighting. Murder is not an acceptable response to any heinous crime.
You and people like you represent a danger to society that is nearly on par with the pedophiles.
Lemme guess: you think the primary function of prison is rehabilitation lol
Why becuase I don't support people taking the law into their own hands especially when it involves taking a life? That kind of shit will only lead to innocent people being murdered. There is a reason the founding fathers made the system for convicting someone of a crime difficult. You don't get to become judge, jury and executionor just because the crime committed is truly evil.
No, the primary function is clearly punishment, but unless the person is sentenced to life in prison then the primary function should be rehabilitation, and the secondary function should be punishment.
If we intend to let someone out of prison, we should take steps to insure they won't return the the life that led them to prison in the first place.
lol you logic would work if she didn't have to go to the hospital and needed stitches. And the '11' other girls.
But you know, executions are an important part of society, if our justice system weren't mostly laughable I'd agree with you more. Actually I wish I can agree with you completely, and that a slow but robust justice system can be trusted with executions.
But then I look at the FBI investigating a fake noose, but nada on voter fraud. Hard times fren.
For lethal force to be justified the threat needs to be imminent, not maybe again in the future, not two hours ago, but right fucking now. As in if lethal force is not used this with happen in seconds or continue happening in the present. If dad walked in on his daughter being raped he'd be entirely justified in shooting the rapist. If the rapist tried to abduct the girl and the father saw it he'd be entirely justified in shooting the abductor. Going to the guys house and executing him is not legally or morally justified, no matter how much we agree and sympathize with the desire to do so.
The death penalty is an entirely different conversation, one plagued with a similar problem "what if an innocent man is executed". But at least then the system does have some checks and balances like a court, council and jury.
Agreed, some arms of our justice system, especially at a federal level have their priorities all fucked up. But that's not an excuse to commit murder.
And yet he was.
And spent more then a decade in prison for it. That's if the story is true which I really suspect it's not.
You cant rehabilitate those things you can only eliminate the problem.
In the context of lifers sure. But a guy serving 5 years for selling drugs can be rehabilitated.
He's right- you're a retarded fucking cuck. Get fucked you piece of shit.
Looks like I hit a nerve. Now I'm convinced there is a bunch of white knighting pedophiles like yourself in this comment thread.
Faggot.
It's not socially acceptable but it's very much understandable, in fact I understand it better than not wanting to get vengeance. If someone did that to a family member I'd want to brain them with a hammer.
With a functioning justice system I agree, vigilante justice is not the way to go, but the current system seems more interested in punishing kids that do drugs than rapists and pedos. What good is 4 years or less in prison? Should leave them there to rot.
Sex criminals (the non falsely accused that is) can't be rehabilitated, this is long known - old police studies found each would have upward of dozens, if not hundreds of victims, no exaggeration here. They are not normal people.
Correct. You cannot "cure" paedophilia just like you cannot take a hetero adult and "cure" them and make them turn gay. Paedo's have high rates of recidivism. Both my father and brother have been to prison when they were young. They have both told me stories of paedo's, or rock spiders as we call them in Australia, being Epsteined. This is why they are protected in prison - which is a great shame.
A guy of 16 we knew sexually assaulted me when I was 13 - my father grabbed his shotty and we went hunting. The only reason he didn't shoot him was because I didn't want my dad to go to jail. His face was however forever imprinted with the shape of the stock. He never did it again. It worked. A court case would have likely resulted in a slap on the wrist and the reinforcement in the fucktards mind that you can get away with being a sexual predator if you plan more carefully. I hope he looks at his ugly face in the mirror every day and remembers =)
I've always been a fan of dismemberment as a punishment. And maybe a brand on the forehead....
He must have been in the 10% that don't reoffend - normally even castration etc. doesn't stop it or make them change their ways.
You have a great father. Both for his first reaction and the fact he listened when you didn't want him to get locked up. I still don't understand parents that just take it lying down.
A few years ago in Germany a woman took a gun to court where the man who assaulted and killed her daughter was on trial, she blew him away. They gave her something around 6-8 years for it.
Vengeance is evil. Pedophiles need to be taken out of society to protect children, either by the courts or through extrajudicial means if they won’t do it. That doesn’t make it ok to hate the pedo. They wouldn’t be one if they could help it. In fact, it’s the same evil spirit driving them which causes you to hate them and seek retribution.
Nobody's forcing them to molest kids in the first place - plenty of heterosexual people live chaste lives, how is this even justification? The non offending ones need serious help, maybe one day we'll be able to cure their diseased minds, but the moment they touch a child I couldn't care less if someone shoved them feet first into a woodchipper.
I think it's more evil not to want vengeance against someone that assaults your child, that shows a level of apathy that is unnerving, at that point you're almost more of a machine than a human being.
Yes, the Bible says to leave vengeance to the lord, but it also says the punishment for rapists is death.
True, justification isn't possible, There is nothing right about murdering someone else. But there is also nothing right about raping a young girl. There is especially nothing right about the police not having enough evidence to even look at the guy. Where is the justification there? In the end, the father doesn't care what happens to him anymore. It doesn't matter whether killing the rapist is justified or not. It's a thing that needs to get done because it's the only form of justice that will come for his daughter, when the justice system fails. That's his justification. And that's all that matters.
Besides, it is excusable under the law via a heat of passion defense. Not justifiable, but excusable. There's a difference.
This guy probably didn't get heat of passion because he waited until the police said they wouldn't investigate the pedo. He sort of planned it out by going to get his gun etc.
Heat of passion is more like snapping in the moment you hear about it, going straight to the pedo and killing him with whatever you find along the way or even bare hands.
13 years for pre meditated murder of the pedo who raped your daughter is pretty excessive though, IMO.
For justice to be satisfied, since he took the law into his own hands but considering mitigating circumstances, would not a year have been plenty?
I can live with that, and I can see it as a valid reason to lock a guy up for 13 years for murder instead of life.
I am absolutely one hundred precent not defending rapists.
Thats why I think this story is fake every time it makes the rounds. A child needing stitches from some sort of rape after being at a friend's house and that child stating who raped her is definitely enough evidence to get a warrant. At which point the stated video tapes would have been found.
It's not. Murder is not justifiable. If the guy did it and the system fails, keep tabs on him, catch him in the act, use lethal force then. That's the only way it's justified and morally sound.
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