Those same archeologists have no idea where His body is. Think of it... all the Romans and Jews had to do was present Jesus’ body and all of the talk of him being the messiah would have disappeared. But they couldn’t find it. Because Jesus walked right out of that tomb and walked the earth for 40 days before ascending, with his body into heaven.
You know, I'd never thought of that before. I just accepted that Jesus did what He said and what the Bible recounts, but I'd never thought of the inability for His detractors to demonstrate He wasn't the messiah. Makes a ton of sense.
It’s crazy how much evidence there is that He was everything that He was the Son of God.
For example, consider what His followers did after He left. They were literally tortured to death. All they had to do to end the torture was say that He was not the messiah and the torturing would stop. But they refused. Many of these people had witnessed Jesus personally. They witnessed the truth and knew that it was far more important than any physical pain that they would experience through torture. There are many accounts of the early Christians being tortured to death with smiles on their faces. Because the had seen what was truly important
There are two times where I felt Jesus' presence and each of those times were life-changing for me. The first was on the night before I planned to take my own life, when I felt a sensation of warmth, love, and hope I'd never felt before and have never once been able to replicate since, and which served as a prelude to my life getting better almost immediately. The second was when I truly rededicated myself to God (I'd never gone astray, but I sort of took Him for granted, too), felt a holy presence within, and began to cry joyously because I knew I was forgiven and still within His good graces. I can only imagine how much more intense those feelings and experiences would have been had I actually been able to be present at the time Jesus walked the earth, so it makes total sense to me that His followers would pass from this life with smiles on their faces.
God has no ethnicity and no genetics. Jesus was made however God wanted, and he was made white. Earliest depictions of Jesus support that he was most likely white.
God chose to not send his son to an area with white people, but rather to the Middle East where he’d have been the only white man, with none white patents, where it’s never mentioned and he has no problems fitting in.
Actually, the Romans distorted the words of the Bible and Jesus with Roman Catholicism...as well as made a ton of blasphemies (and blasphemous practices) that Jesus would not be happy with.
(I'm no Bible scholar or anything though.)
Edit: Context for this message: Some guy said that the Roman Empire bowed the knee to Jesus, but in reality, the Romans distorted the Word of God (by placing in ideas that are not of the Bible, like "Mary being sinless"--when in reality, she was just a simple sinner like you 'an me...but she was chosen by God to be Jesus's vessel for birth).
He was so badly beaten that they thought He was going to die before even getting nailed to the cross. That is why Simon Peter had to carry the cross after a while.
It is also important to consider the mental anguish he was under. He had the weight of all human sin that ever was and ever would be with him. When He realized what was going to happen to Him, He began to sweat blood.
from a britbong Pede, a Christian, just remember that the cruxificion of Jesus Christ our Lord, and the Resurrection are the birth of Western Civilisation. This whole concept and truth is now being attacked. Us, our very being, the worship and love of christianity, the renaissance, the reformation, the rise of mathematics, science, philosophy - our very being and essence is now under attack.
Remember that as you say your prayers and celebrate the wonder that is the Easter Resurrection.
I believe that is truly worth fighting for and I stand along side you all.
Happy Easter to all and God Bless.
He was perhaps indicating that although not sharing the original poster's superstitious beliefs he nonetheless accepts that they can hold them, and indeed to have a happy chocolate egg day.
It's also ironic given the lack of religious tolerance in the original poster's name, but maybe it takes an atheist to spot that.
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:
“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom,
Thanksgiving and honor and power and might,
Be to our God forever and ever.
Amen.”
His Father required him to be sacrificed on the cross, as greater love has no man than to lay down his life for his friends. It wasn't the "devil's" work. God required his Son to die to show that God has power over life and death & the bonds of death can be broken. LAZARUS, COME FORTH!
No one could have power over him UNLESS GIVEN to them by the Father.
He was born UNTO THE END of being crucified. This was planned from before the world. It wasn't "the world". It wasn't "the romans". It wasn't "the jews", a Judas from within, or confused and double-minded Peter.
He spent his ENTIRE LIFE TEACHING. All his teachings are as important as his death and resurrection. All things LED to that point, and WILL LEAD to a future point when we account to him again.
Nobody is "to blame". It was a good thing that he died, and Jesus called Peter "Satan" for attempting to prevent Jesus from voluntarily surrendering to his own death.
He came unto his own things, and his own people received him not!
Let us not reject the true king and governor of this world! Let us never join the world in denying or abandoning the one who called us, gave us life, and sent us to this earth to ALSO do our Father's will.
His teachings ARE power. His teachings ARE wisdom. Anybody who takes time to actually listen to Jesus and follow up on all the written works he constantly references sees this.
Don't let anyone deceive you. Only the Father knows when the Son will return again in power and glory to this earth. Any of us could die today and OUR world will end, though "the world" around us doesn't end for others. WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW IS NOT IMPORTANT, nor what happens to others. What you do today with your time, you happiness, your industry, and your prayer and study is what you will be doing tomorrow, in earth or heaven. You may live, you may die. But your Father has a plan, and is a good shepherd. Listen to him! Don't just pay homage to his name and image.
When YOUR second coming arrives, and your time to leave this earth arrives, YOU WILL ACCOUNT to your master who sent you. "The world" ending or continuing is not my business.
Death itself has a purpose. You will resurrect and rise again through God's Anointed Salvation.
Fear nothing. Submit to God. Life and love never end! They continue!
My favorite painting is Las Meninas. If you ever get the chance to go to Madrid, you must see both of these paintings at the Prado Museum. They both bring tears to your eyes. Absolute perfection.
AMEN! Thank u God for giving us the gift of your son and thank u Jesus for sacrificing yourself so that we may one day join each other in heaven <3 MAGA2021
Assuming you’re acting in good faith: The crucifixion happened first. Good Friday represents the day Jesus Christ was crucified, then rose from the dead 3 days later.
It’s why Christians wear the cross, or crucifix. Christians believe that in Christ, there is life beyond death, and by his sacrifice saved us from our sins, allowing for sinners to be redeemed and saved. Christians believe that the same holy power in Christ that made for his resurrection dwells within us. All those who follow His word may have their spirit resurrected as well, conquering death in their own way by having an afterlife in Heaven.
Different branches of Christianity have developed overtime, and some beliefs differ on what is required to “be saved”, be it by His grace alone that everyone is already saved who follow him (from the family man to the drunken wife beater), or by works and deeds, living and loving as Christ did and repenting for when they fall short. But the resurrection of Christ is essential to the Christian denominations, and is why it is so celebrated.
Sure, different branches with different beliefs have cropped up, but the Bible still plainly shows the only way to Christ is by simple faith in His name.
From the converts on Pentecost that believed, to the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, to Cornelius and his family in Acts 10, to the Philippian jailor and his family in Acts 16, to the family man and the drunkard in 2021, the Bible is clear. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy, He saved us." "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Titus 3:5;Ephesians 2:8-9)
If you are reading this and are trusting in being sprinkled, doing pennance, attending a particular church, doing good deeds, or anything else but accepting the free gift of salvation through the finished work of the cross, please reject your own works and ask Christ to save you today.
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvatoin. For the scripture saith, whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." -Romans 10:9-13
Rene Girard, Christian philosopher / historian whose 'mimetic desire' thesis explains for us the significance of Christ's sacrifice as a re-directive scapegoat mechanism, redirecting the societal necessity for the restoration of order after violence
I felt like Trump's political run aligned kinda with Christ's . I felt like he was going to be cheated out of a win. He was hated by the swamp elites like Jesus was, mocked, hated, ridiculed, slandered, betrayed by friends and the rich and powerful. The GOP wanted their idea of a "messiah", not the real deal. Obviously in no way am I comparing Trump to Jesus, but I see so many paralells in two good men who tried to change the world with TRUTH and how the elites hated it and took them down. Jesus wins in the end, thank God.
[Mat 12:40 KJV] 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
The art's nice, but this depiction of our Savior is Catholic nonsense—glamorizing the horrific sacrifice by making him look almost placid and untouched. He died as a man. He suffered grievously. We should be focused on his resurrection because that is what gave hope to this hopeless world, not his unjust death.
Christianity is a twisted death cult. Hear me out:
Its symbol is a literal ancient torture device, akin to choosing a tiny electric chair as the symbol for your religion.
The death cult glorifies the sacrifice of the innocent to the guilty. The human ideal of the cult (Jesus) is literally sacrificed and this is considered morally virtuous because he was innocent. This is complete moral depravity, it is completely irrational and unjust.
Jesus preached self-sacrifice as a moral virtue, which is irrational and immoral. He literally taught his followers that the rich (the productive, self-interested, capable etc) could not get into heaven and that they should sacrifice their stuff and themselves to follow him. This isn’t good moral advice, it’s pure evil and it’s the moral foundation of statism and subsequently leads to socialism. Man has a right to exist for his own sake and he isn’t a good, moral person based on how much he sacrifices himself to others but rather on how much he is able to produce and create for himself and his loved ones without violating the rights of other people.
He was basically a modern day, garden variety hippie of the kind you would find in a modern day socialist commune. He would have far more in common with people like Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump. He would denounce people like Trump and elevate the likes of Bernie because Christianity is a death cult and people like Trump are the exact opposite of the kind of man Christianity asks people to emulate.
So I read what you wrote and you really should learn what you're talking about before you decide to say dumb wrong shit my dude.
The point of the cross symbol isn't the mechanism for execution but rather the sacrifice that happened on it.
Jesus preached self-sacrifice as a moral virtue, which is irrational and immoral
This makes no sense. The western moral system is derived from Christianity. You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true.
He literally taught his followers that the rich (the productive, self-interested, capable etc) could not get into heaven
Jesus never said that rich people couldn't get into heaven, he said that it's difficult for rich people to get into heaven because they tend to love their money so much that they forget about God. Which is true.
that they should sacrifice their stuff and themselves to follow him
Again he never said that. If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out. No, you don't have to give away your car to a homeless person. But maybe helping a homeless person eat or have clothing would be appropriate, if you can afford it.
He was basically a modern day, garden variety hippie of the kind you would find in a modern day socialist commune. He would have far more in common with people like Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump
Complete nonsense that comes straight from an Occupy Democrats meme. Jesus preached love and kindness, but as the embodiment of God, he also preached justice and punishment. There are certainly things about Trump's personality that do not align with the values Jesus taught, but a lot of them do, and that you say this shows how little you actually know about God and Jesus. Jesus would not "denounce" Trump nor elevate Bernie Sanders. Trump professes a faith in Christ, Sanders does not, that is what matters to God. God loves every person and gives them ample opportunity to accept him.
“The western moral system is derived from Christianity”
Not really.
Specially the founding of the United States, that’s more of a byproduct of the enlightenment. The moral system Christianity had a big influence and dominance over preceded our modern Western world by several centuries.
The Dark Ages are a good example of what “the west” looked like when Christian ethics, epistemology and metaphysics were the dominant philosophy of the time.
“You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true”
It’s the opposite of what Jesus taught but it’s certainly not the opposite of what is true.
I have a right to exist for my own sake. That is true. I have a right to my life, that is also true. I don’t owe strangers my life, that is also true.
You don’t know what “truth” is, and you also don’t realize how these primitive ethics are the moral foundation of statism and socialism.
“If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out”
See this is how I can tell you're just being edgy and probably not even an adult yet, you equate Western society with the United States.
The moral system Christianity had a big influence and dominance over preceded our modern Western world by several centuries
It absolutely did not. You do realize that both of the societies viewed as the foundation of the West (Greek and Rome) existed and in fact Jesus was alive and died during the Roman Empire? And that the Old Testament makes direct references to both Greece and Rome?
The Dark Ages are a good example of what “the west” looked like when Christian ethics
By "Christian" you mean "Catholic" and there were absolutely plenty of immoral things the Catholic Church did to society. Hence protestantism and the reformation.
I have a right to exist for my own sake. That is true. I have a right to my life, that is also true. I don’t owe strangers my life, that is also true.
You exist because God allows you to exist, but he also gave you free will, and you definitely have rights. Christianity does nothing to make you give your life to strangers and it's kind of funny that you keep insinuating that it does, there must have been some sort of disconnect when whatever r/atheism post or cringe YouTube video taught you this misguided perception of the philosophy. It's kind of like how non-native English speakers from India all tend to use the phrase "do the needful" even though a native English speaker would likely never say that.
You don’t know what “truth” is
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" - 1 Corinthians 1:27, see also the book of Job. You are not smarter than God, even though you think you are, and one day you will realize that.
Bernie Sanders??? Is that you???
So helping the needy makes me Bernie? Why are you so selfish? You don't have to give away everything (or even a majority) and we were definitely overtaxed, but you're not willing to help those in need at all? What if you were homeless or hungry, wouldn't you want someone to help you?
Preaching self-sacrifice as a moral virtue makes you an altruist and a piece of shit commie, yes.
Men of reason and self-esteem don’t engage in sacrifices. They live life as traders, trading value for value and never sacrifice others to himself of himself to others.
The only people who preach this nonsense are mystics and commies, but I repeat myself.
“Why are you so selfish?”
Because I am a living human being and my life, like the life of every other living creature, requires that I am the ultimate beneficiary of my actions. Otherwise, I die.
Again, listen to yourself. You are literally using the exact same lingo the god damn commies use.
“You don't have to give away everything (or even a majority)”
I don’t owe you shit just because you are a failure. Fuck off commie.
“but you're not willing to help those in need at all?”
Not as a moral duty, not against my will and not simply on the basis of need, no.
I only help those who 1. mean something to me 2. those who did not cause their circumstances, 3. who truly cannot help themselves and only 4. when and if I can.
Most people who are out there begging for money and on welfare do not pass that test.
“What if you were homeless or hungry, wouldn't you want someone to help you?”
I would never be in that circumstance because I am not a piece of shit and I am not disabled.
If it ever did happen I could rely on the voluntary, non-sacrificial charity of family and friends, who would help me in a way consistent with the points i outlined above.
I certainly would not expect or demand that a stranger help me, as a moral duty or against his will simply because I needed help. Strangers don’t owe me shit, they are not responsible for satisfying my needs and I don’t pretend for one second that need is an argument.
Preaching self-sacrifice as a moral virtue makes you an altruist and a piece of shit commie, yes.
So before you argue with strangers on the internet, you should Google what a strawman argument is, because that's what you're making here. Donating 20 bucks to a children's hospital or volunteering a soup kitchen doesn't make you a communist piece of shit. Bernie's form of "help" is forced and thus immoral. Being kind and helping less fortunate people, voluntarily, is absolutely a virtue.
Men of reason and self-esteem don’t engage in sacrifices. They live life as traders, trading value for value and never sacrifice others to himself of himself to others.
Wow, what a great path to a society of atomized, isolated, sad people with no community. Lending a hand to others is a great way to improve your community and feel better about yourself, you should try it some time, then you might be less angry.
Because I am a living human being and my life, like the life of every other living creature, requires that I am the ultimate beneficiary of my actions. Otherwise, I die.
Bro, donating a small amount of money or volunteering a small amount of your time will not kill you.
I don’t owe you shit just because you are a failure. Fuck off commie.
lol, so funny, I make six figures and I'm a computer programmer with a lot of nice things, a rightwing gf, and speak multiple languages. Yet there was a time where I was too poor to know where my next meal was coming from and almost failed high school. I needed some help. So are you saying that everyone less fortunate than you is a piece of shit? People should absolutely help themselves. Communism is bad. Handouts are generally bad. But people don't live in a vacuum. There is a middle ground between communism and never helping anyone out ever.
I only help those who 1. mean something to me 2. those who did not cause their circumstances, 3. who truly cannot help themselves and only 4. when and if I can.
Oh that's cool, RagnarDanneskjold420 is apparently the arbiter of whether people who need help caused their circumstances or who cannot help themselves. When's the last time you donated your time or money to help people less fortunate?
Most people who are out there begging for money and on welfare do not pass that test.
There is a grain of truth in this statement in that a lot of people feign helplessness or need and that is evil to do.
I would never be in that circumstance because I am not a piece of shit and I am not disabled.
You don't know that lol. You do not have that level of control over your life and could be made homeless tomorrow. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes.
If it ever did happen I could rely on the voluntary, non-sacrificial charity of family and friends
Bold of you to assume people who may need help have either family or friends.
“Bro, donating a small amount of money or volunteering a small amount of your time will not kill you”
Bernie Bro, that’s not the question. The question isnt will a small sacrifice kill me?
The question is, “am I morally obligated to sacrifice myself to others?” and the answer is no.
A small amount of poison won’t kill you either by the way, it doesn’t mean it’s a good or moral idea to ingest small amounts of poison.
“Bold of you to assume people who may need help have either family or friends”
People whose family and friends no longer help them are scum and you are a vicious moron if you help them too.
There’s usually a good reason someone’s own family and friends stop helping them. If one of my friends/family members turned out of be a pedophile I would no longer stop helping them, I would expect that other people also not help them.
If you are such a piece of shit that not even your own family or friends will help you then your life is not something we should worry too much about.
You certainly won’t convince me that it is moral to give money to able bodied people on the mere basis of need. Feel free to continue spewing commie bullshit about a so called duty to the poor, how greedy I am because I want to keep what is rightfully mine and how virtuous you are because you agree with Bernie Sanders.
You are in serious need of humility. You think really highly of yourself, and maybe you've got some great accomplishments, but you're not shit compared to God.
And if you truly understood scripture, you would know that Christianity inherently cannot be a statist philosophy because it contains prophecy that one day the state will persecute Christians, and it would be our duty to disobey the state in that case.
America and everything good about the west is not a byproduct of Christian thought -which had dominance over cultures and societies for centuries- but rather an explicit rejection of mysticism and the adoption of reason and humanism.
“Christianity does nothing to make you give your life to strangers and it's kind of funny that you keep insinuating that it does”
This is laughable nonsense and you know it.
Christ himself openly preached that it was moral and good to give up your stuff to the poor -strangers, all you know about them is that they are failures/are poor- and explicitly preached that we should love our enemies etc.
Stop lying to yourself, quit being full of shit. You know I’m right, that is in fact what Jesus taught. Read Matthew 19:21 and then come back.
Jesus would have been a pink haired commie faggot today and that’s a fact. He believed it was good for people to sacrifice themselves for others, which is the same thing communists preach and implement via statism. His teachings are responsible for incalculable suffering and death around the world. His ethics are completely incompatible with men of reason, purpose and self-esteem and for that reason they are incompatible with a free, moral society.
America is a nation founded on the shoulders of the enlightenment. Christianity is not the dominant philosophy behind the founding of the country, and in fact that’s why it was such an undeniable success.
You blasphemous fool. How dare you throw the name of my Jesus, my Savior, my friend... in the mud with pinko commie faggots. Disgusting disgrace of a human.
Oh, and by the way. You suck at context. You argue that Jesus said rich people can't get into heaven. Allow me to continue the rest of the story which you neglected to mention: Matthew 19:21-26
"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
I serve the God of the impossible, who loves all and calls all men to repentance. Repent of your blasphemy and rejection of Christ before you burn in hell for eternity and are haunted by these words forever.
America and everything good about the west is not a byproduct of Christian thought -which had dominance over cultures and societies for centuries- but rather an explicit rejection of mysticism and the adoption of reason and humanism.
Right, which perfectly explains why western society is getting more degenerate as it gets less Christian, right? Humanism is a great philosophy. Transgenderism, polyamory, habitual intoxication, all of the behaviors that would be unacceptable under a Christian theocracy are made acceptable by you. What a great future we have to look forward to.
Christ himself openly preached that it was moral and good to give up your stuff to the poor
Jesus spoke in parables and he wasn't saying to literally give up everything you have to the poor. He was saying that it's good to help people out how don't have as much as you do. It's pretty rich that we have an atheist Googling Bible verses to try and lecture a believer on their own doctrine.
Matthew 19:21 is again a reiteration of God's wish that you should care more about your eternal destiny than earthy possessions and money, which don't last very long in the timeline of eternity.
Jesus would have been a pink haired commie faggot today and that’s a fact
Super edgy bro, keep demonstrating how little you know about him though.
Stop lying to yourself, quit being full of shit. You know I’m right, that is in fact what Jesus taught.
Quoting a Bible verse without understanding the context and then saying you're right over and over isn't an argument buddy. And someone disagreeing with your incorrect interpretation of scripture doesn't mean that they're wrong or a socialist or whatever other ridiculous cope you have for someone disagreeing with you is.
He believed it was good for people to sacrifice themselves for others
You keep saying this over and over and over. In a life or death situation, sacrificing yourself for a brother is definitely honorable, but Christians are not commanded to completely sacrifice their lives for others. We are commanded to do service for others, but that's not the same as sacrificing your life.
Christianity is not the dominant philosophy behind the founding of the country
It absolutely is. The moral code embedded in our laws and generally western laws (don't kill/rape/steal/do incest/etc) derives extensively and directly from Christian moral code. The majority of the US population has been Christian since our founding and to this day. We have monuments, mottos, pledges, and anthems which reference the Christian God. Our collective reverence for God is what has led to our success, and our collective eschewing of him will lead to our failure.
“ The point of the cross symbol isn't the mechanism for execution but rather the sacrifice that happened on it.
I’m aware of that, I addressed that and pointed out how it was disgustingly immoral.
I’ll explain it again, with bigger apples since you are a bit slow.
Christ, in terms of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the nonideal people. In other words, a man of perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the notion of sacrificing the ideal to the nonideal, or virtue to vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used.
Friend, I'm not slow just because you are fruitlessly trying to make a false point. The incorrect explanation you are here presenting about Christ is a non sequitur to the symbolism of the cross itself.
If you'd like to rebut what I said about the cross as a symbol, feel free to do so at any time.
And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors
Wrong. Wrong! On many levels! Christianity does not ask you to sacrifice yourself to men. I'm not sure where you're getting your information but it certainly is not from the Bible. Christians are to put God first in their lives, so in a way, we "sacrifice" ourselves to God, but not to other men. Jesus already made the ultimate sacrifice for men, we don't need to.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "inferior" because all men are equal before God. It seems you are overly prideful in your position or wealth and you should know that God hates that, and if you don't humble yourself, he will humble you the hard way.
As you'd say, "nice argument." God does exist, not "gods" but the one God, though he is called by many names (Yahweh, Jehovah, El Shaddai, et al).
I'm not sure why seeing others express belief tends to make atheists seethe so much. Ask yourself, why are you so angry? Is it because you harbor sins (maybe watching porn or failing to help your neighbors [meaning the poor]) or something else? Or could it be because God is beyond human logic and understanding, but atheists think that everything in existence must fit within the confines of our limited understand and logic, but since God does not, he must not exist?
I went through an atheist phase and putting aside my pride was hard, but I did it. You may think you know it all, but human knowledge and understanding pales in comparison to the one who made the universe. I hope you'll understand that someday.
I mean you can keep saying that but it just belies your ignorance about Jesus. Saying that Bernie's politics align more with Jesus' when Bernie does not profess a belief in Jesus, advocates for baby murder (abortion), and countless other policies incompatible with God, is asinine.
I share your disdain for socialism and you should know that Jesus was not a socialist despite the memes it seems you've been indoctrinated with, but repeating this line equating Jesus to Bernie is pure cope. Trump believes in Jesus and so do a plurality, if not an outright majority of Trump supporters.
"And then Jesus declared that the kingdom of heaven depends on a strong federeal confiscatory regime paired with abortion on demand. Verily, any attempts to alleviate the human condition outside the auspices of government are the work of the devil. Then, seeing the crowds, he ascended the mountain, and when he had sat down, his disciples drew near to him, and opening his mouth, he taught them, saying: 'there are too many people out there bros, Gaia can not sustain them. We must increase abortion and promote the ideals that lead to more of it. Let's start with the holy family of fathers, mothers, and their children. It must go. Maybe we could do a 1 child policy. And I say unto you, we must reduce our reliance on technology that lifts all these poor masses out of poverty, keeps them from going hungry, provides light during the day and allows them to live past the age of 40. And bros, don't even get me started on nuclear power. That's enough for now, let's go burn down that affordable tent complex under construction to protest against inequality.'
Jesus advocated personal charity, personal responsibility, and being a good citizen.
Bernie advocates the state stealing your money and allegedly giving it to those less fortunate, but we all know the corrupt government won't actually give the money to those less fortunate. They have nothing in common. Nothing.
That wasn’t a sacrifice. He benefits immensely from a free America. It would be a sacrifice if he worked for the destruction of America (something he values) in the name of the poor of the world.
That would be a sacrifice and it’s precisely the kind of sacrifice Jesus would advocate.
I'm gonna pray for you homie (whether you like it or not) that you at least fix your super misguided perception of Jesus.
And just so you know, Trump absolutely made a sacrifice. He sacrificed a lot of money, time, and energy of his golden years to be the President, and didn't even take a paycheck.
Your denial can and eventually will hurt you. Every person who has ever lived or will live will face God's judgement, and you will be punished eternally if you don't make the right choice. You have until you die to make the right choice, but you never know when that moment will come.
Haha I love watching you fuckheads lose the argument and then start threatening people, doesn’t seem like somthing Jesus would do but most christians are massive hypocrites anyway.
Your response here is the rhetorical equivalent of "nana nana boo boo stick your head in doo doo." I didn't lose the argument, you just stopped responding.
And I'm not threatening you, I have nothing against you. In fact this is what is meant by "love your enemy" because I'm actually trying to save you by warning you about your impending doom despite your seeming hatred of me and what I believe.
It's not a threat, but a warning. I will not be the one judging you.
Jesus of Nazareth was a a great rabbi, and a great Jew.
He was not the messiah. Abraham, Moses, Elijah - but Jesus was not Gd incarnate. We cannot fathom Gd. Gd has no body, Gd cannot be understood by man - and G*d is not corporeal.
Sorry, but Jesus of Nazareth did not check the "messianic checkboxes" in the Torah.
He fought no wars, he built no temple, he was not victorious over nations, he caused no great masses to come to Judaism, and as it is written, he would lay claim to his title - should he merit it....and according to the Gospels, he made no claim.
Jesus of Nazareth was not the messiah. The messiah is not yet here - and we must still wait for G*d.
The entire Torah is about Jesus. Consider the 1st 10 generations and the Hebrew meanings:
Adam-Man
Seth-Is appointed
Enos-mortal
Cainan-sorrow
Mahalaleel-The glory of God
Jared-(shall) come down
Enoch-teaching
Methuselah-His death shall bring(Methuselah also died the year the flood began, fitting name)
Lamech-the despairing
Noah-comfort/rest
So the author of Genesis hid the Christian gospel in a geneology? I don't believe it. The same God is the God of the Old and New Testaments, and Jesus is who He said He is.
Furthurmore...
His arrival was prophesied to the day in Daniel, hence His sadness on Palm Sunday as the people didn't even recognize the fulfillment of it.
He declared He was the Messiah as well, so if He's a liar how can He be a great rabbi and a great Jew?
He declared He was the Messiah as well, so if He's a liar how can He be a great rabbi and a great Jew?
This is what had always baffled me about my Jewish friends. How can he be a great rabbi and a great Jew, yet be a liar. And not only a liar, but lying about being God incarnate. Seems like a pretty big lie, if indeed they believe it is a lie. One that would seem to be big enough to not label him a great rabbi or Jew.
Because Jews calling Jesus "a great rabbi and Jew" is their deceptive way of saying they despise him for chiefly the reasons you describe, they just don't want to admit it because they enjoy how nice Christians tend to be to them.
Paul’s Epistles, written earlier than the Gospels, give us no reason to dogmatically declare Jesus must have existed. Avoiding Jesus’ earthly events and teachings, even when the latter could have bolstered his own claims, Paul only describes his “Heavenly Jesus.” Even when discussing what appear to be the resurrection and the last supper, his only stated sources are his direct revelations from the Lord, and his indirect revelations from the Old Testament. In fact, Paul actually rules out human sources (see Galatians 1:11-12).
Also important are the sources we don’t have. There are no existing eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus. All we have are later descriptions of Jesus’ life events by non-eyewitnesses, most of whom are obviously biased. Little can be gleaned from the few non-Biblical and non-Christian sources, with only Roman scholar Josephus and historian Tacitus having any reasonable claim to be writing about Jesus within 100 years of his life. And even those sparse accounts are shrouded in controversy, with disagreements over what parts have obviously been changed by Christian scribes (the manuscripts were preserved by Christians), the fact that both these authors were born after Jesus died (they would thus have probably received this information from Christians), and the oddity that centuries go by before Christian apologists start referencing them.
Agnosticism over the matter is already seemingly appropriate, and support for this position comes from independent historian Richard Carrier’s recent defense of another theory — namely, that the belief in Jesus started as the belief in a purely celestial being (who was killed by demons in an upper realm), who became historicized over time. To summarize Carrier’s 800-page tome, this theory and the traditional theory – that Jesus was a historical figure who became mythicized over time – both align well with the Gospels, which are later mixtures of obvious myth and what at least sounds historical.
The Pauline Epistles, however, overwhelmingly support the “celestial Jesus” theory, particularly with the passage indicating that demons killed Jesus, and would not have done so if they knew who he was (see: 1 Corinthians 2:6-10). Humans – the murderers according to the Gospels – of course would still have killed Jesus, knowing full well that his death results in their salvation, and the defeat of the evil spirits.
So what do the mainstream (and non-Christian) scholars say about all this? Surprisingly very little – of substance anyway. Only Bart Ehrman and Maurice Casey have thoroughly attempted to prove Jesus’ historical existence in recent times. Their most decisive point? The Gospels can generally be trusted – after we ignore the many, many bits that are untrustworthy – because of the hypothetical (i.e. non-existent) sources behind them. Who produced these hypothetical sources? When? What did they say? Were they reliable? Were they intended to be accurate historical portrayals, enlightening allegories, or entertaining fictions?
Ehrman and Casey can’t tell you – and neither can any New Testament scholar. Given the poor state of the existing sources, and the atrocious methods used by mainstream Biblical historians, the matter will likely never be resolved. In sum, there are clearly good reasons to doubt Jesus’ historical existence – if not to think it outright improbable.
So now you're going from arguing that Jesus was "a great rabbi and Jew" to "we don't know if he existed because there aren't existing eyewitness accounts of Jesus."
Now it's understandable why people call your kind shapeshifters. Stop being shifty and repent before the Lord.
Oh dear, oh my....you say the Pauline Epistles don't talk about Jesus? Did you like...skip over 1 Corinthians 15? And I quote:
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also recieved, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time."
Paul never argued for an intangible or celestial Jesus, and his accounts clearly back up those of the other apostles. He claims that Peter, the twelve, and over 500 people at once saw a physically risen Savior.
I haven't even gone into your original comment yet. But I'll give a TL;DR response. Either Jesus was liar, lunatic, or Lord. He claimed himself, "Before Abraham was, I am." Then the Jews took up stones to stone him because he clearly said that he was and is the I AM.
He was the Messiah, if you as a Jew can read Isaiah 53 and somehow come to a different conclusion, then you are being willfully blind. Jesus rendered Judaism obsolete.
Repent from your wicked ways and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice was slain for us so we could obtain everlasting salvation:
[Isa 53:5 KJV] 5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[Act 16:29-31 KJV] 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.
[Rom 10:9, 13 KJV] 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. ... 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[Dan 9:24-27 KJV] 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This states the Messiah will come and be killed BEFORE the city of Jerusalem and its Temple are destroyed in 70AD. After 62 weeks (33ad) b) shall Messiah be cut off (killed), but not for himself, and the people (Romans) of the prince that hsall come (future European antichrist) shall destroy the city of Jersualem in 70ad and the sanctuary (the temple in 70AD)
This teaches us a few things:
a) that the Messiah offers himself to Israel as their Prince in 33ad after 69 weeks (=7+62) of years. This occurs at the end of the 62 week interval.
b) Messiah will be rejected by Israel and killed. (33ad)
c) Romans will destroy Jerusalem
d) Romans will destroy the Temple (70ad)
Here Jesus Christ fulfils Daniel's prophecy that Messiah will come and be kiled before Jersualem and the temple is destryed in 70 ad
Amen! He has Risen!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BYTaYMxrbg4
Indeed.
He has risen indeed!
Hear the bells ringing, they're singing, Christ is risen from the dead!
Never forget what they did to our savior. Here is what happened on Good Friday: https://patriots.win/p/12i43t7q6T/
Those same archeologists have no idea where His body is. Think of it... all the Romans and Jews had to do was present Jesus’ body and all of the talk of him being the messiah would have disappeared. But they couldn’t find it. Because Jesus walked right out of that tomb and walked the earth for 40 days before ascending, with his body into heaven.
Just one of many reasons to believe.
You know, I'd never thought of that before. I just accepted that Jesus did what He said and what the Bible recounts, but I'd never thought of the inability for His detractors to demonstrate He wasn't the messiah. Makes a ton of sense.
It’s crazy how much evidence there is that He was everything that He was the Son of God.
For example, consider what His followers did after He left. They were literally tortured to death. All they had to do to end the torture was say that He was not the messiah and the torturing would stop. But they refused. Many of these people had witnessed Jesus personally. They witnessed the truth and knew that it was far more important than any physical pain that they would experience through torture. There are many accounts of the early Christians being tortured to death with smiles on their faces. Because the had seen what was truly important
There are two times where I felt Jesus' presence and each of those times were life-changing for me. The first was on the night before I planned to take my own life, when I felt a sensation of warmth, love, and hope I'd never felt before and have never once been able to replicate since, and which served as a prelude to my life getting better almost immediately. The second was when I truly rededicated myself to God (I'd never gone astray, but I sort of took Him for granted, too), felt a holy presence within, and began to cry joyously because I knew I was forgiven and still within His good graces. I can only imagine how much more intense those feelings and experiences would have been had I actually been able to be present at the time Jesus walked the earth, so it makes total sense to me that His followers would pass from this life with smiles on their faces.
He was ethnically a Jew. His earthly parents were Jewish.
Didn't the Quran contain a description of Jesus?
I don't believe a single word out of that book.
Jesus wasn't a jew.
He is the son of God, who has no ethnicity, and was born from the Virgin Mary.
Joseph, his step-father, was a jew of the tribe of judah, but Jesus himself wouldn't be jewish.
Jesus isn't brown either.
Mary was a Jew. Jewishness passes through matriarchal descent. Jesus was a Jew and all his disciples were too.
White
God has no ethnicity and no genetics. Jesus was made however God wanted, and he was made white. Earliest depictions of Jesus support that he was most likely white.
His lineage back to David is in the gospel, in fulfillment of prophecy. It’s hard to comprehend, fully God and Fully man.
Who was and Is, and is to come.
Yeah he was white.
God chose to not send his son to an area with white people, but rather to the Middle East where he’d have been the only white man, with none white patents, where it’s never mentioned and he has no problems fitting in.
Absolute clown.
Pretty sure you’re a trashgender handshake and anything you say is going to be complete and total faggotry of the highest order
Edit: and now you’re triggered you can’t even come up with a good reply before deleting it lmao
Actually, the Romans distorted the words of the Bible and Jesus with Roman Catholicism...as well as made a ton of blasphemies (and blasphemous practices) that Jesus would not be happy with.
https://www.gotquestions.org/catholicism.html
(I'm no Bible scholar or anything though.) Edit: Context for this message: Some guy said that the Roman Empire bowed the knee to Jesus, but in reality, the Romans distorted the Word of God (by placing in ideas that are not of the Bible, like "Mary being sinless"--when in reality, she was just a simple sinner like you 'an me...but she was chosen by God to be Jesus's vessel for birth).
Oh, and speaking of Mary, see this Chick Tract.
https://www.chick.com/products/tract?stk=40&ue=m
(Don't worry moderators, I'm not promoting products!)
His body was way more torn to shreds than that. He truly did what only God in the flesh could do. He deserves all our praise. Sunday is even better!
WAY more than that.
Friendly reminder to all to watch The Passion of The Christ today, remember what He went through for us.
Here’s a trailer for people reading the comments:
https://youtu.be/PoNkyuBsu0A
Thanks!
Or John Waynes Christ Movie. I believe it's free on Tubi.
Fantastic documentary, cannot recommend this enough if you are in the spirit this holy day
He was so badly beaten that they thought He was going to die before even getting nailed to the cross. That is why Simon Peter had to carry the cross after a while.
It is also important to consider the mental anguish he was under. He had the weight of all human sin that ever was and ever would be with him. When He realized what was going to happen to Him, He began to sweat blood.
Probably a typo, but Simon of Cyrene helped Jesus carry His cross, not Simon Peter.
from a britbong Pede, a Christian, just remember that the cruxificion of Jesus Christ our Lord, and the Resurrection are the birth of Western Civilisation. This whole concept and truth is now being attacked. Us, our very being, the worship and love of christianity, the renaissance, the reformation, the rise of mathematics, science, philosophy - our very being and essence is now under attack. Remember that as you say your prayers and celebrate the wonder that is the Easter Resurrection. I believe that is truly worth fighting for and I stand along side you all. Happy Easter to all and God Bless.
Atheist pede here wishing you all a happy Easter weekend.
You don't need to announce that you're an atheist ...
You don't need to police what I announce thanks.
He was perhaps indicating that although not sharing the original poster's superstitious beliefs he nonetheless accepts that they can hold them, and indeed to have a happy chocolate egg day.
It's also ironic given the lack of religious tolerance in the original poster's name, but maybe it takes an atheist to spot that.
You can wish someone a happy Easter without interjecting one's religious beliefs (or lack thereof).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ_Crucified_(Vel%C3%A1zquez)#/media/File:Cristo_crucificado.jpg
Please enjoy this beautiful rendition of “Is He Worthy?” on this occasion:
https://youtu.be/DMWrAqMWhWs
Revelation 7:9-12
After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes, with palm branches in their hands, 10 and crying out with a loud voice, saying, “Salvation belongs to our God who sits on the throne, and to the Lamb!” 11 All the angels stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures, and fell on their faces before the throne and worshiped God, 12 saying:
“Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom, Thanksgiving and honor and power and might, Be to our God forever and ever. Amen.”
He WILLINGLY laid down his life
His Father required him to be sacrificed on the cross, as greater love has no man than to lay down his life for his friends. It wasn't the "devil's" work. God required his Son to die to show that God has power over life and death & the bonds of death can be broken. LAZARUS, COME FORTH!
No one could have power over him UNLESS GIVEN to them by the Father.
He was born UNTO THE END of being crucified. This was planned from before the world. It wasn't "the world". It wasn't "the romans". It wasn't "the jews", a Judas from within, or confused and double-minded Peter.
He spent his ENTIRE LIFE TEACHING. All his teachings are as important as his death and resurrection. All things LED to that point, and WILL LEAD to a future point when we account to him again.
Nobody is "to blame". It was a good thing that he died, and Jesus called Peter "Satan" for attempting to prevent Jesus from voluntarily surrendering to his own death.
He came unto his own things, and his own people received him not!
Let us not reject the true king and governor of this world! Let us never join the world in denying or abandoning the one who called us, gave us life, and sent us to this earth to ALSO do our Father's will.
His teachings ARE power. His teachings ARE wisdom. Anybody who takes time to actually listen to Jesus and follow up on all the written works he constantly references sees this.
Don't let anyone deceive you. Only the Father knows when the Son will return again in power and glory to this earth. Any of us could die today and OUR world will end, though "the world" around us doesn't end for others. WHAT HAPPENS TOMORROW IS NOT IMPORTANT, nor what happens to others. What you do today with your time, you happiness, your industry, and your prayer and study is what you will be doing tomorrow, in earth or heaven. You may live, you may die. But your Father has a plan, and is a good shepherd. Listen to him! Don't just pay homage to his name and image.
When YOUR second coming arrives, and your time to leave this earth arrives, YOU WILL ACCOUNT to your master who sent you. "The world" ending or continuing is not my business.
Death itself has a purpose. You will resurrect and rise again through God's Anointed Salvation.
Fear nothing. Submit to God. Life and love never end! They continue!
and in true form, Good Friday starts out sunny then once the afternoon hits, the clouds roll in
My favorite painting is Las Meninas. If you ever get the chance to go to Madrid, you must see both of these paintings at the Prado Museum. They both bring tears to your eyes. Absolute perfection.
Velazquez was maybe the greatest master painter who ever lived. Just my opinion.
I think I agree with you.
AMEN! Thank u God for giving us the gift of your son and thank u Jesus for sacrificing yourself so that we may one day join each other in heaven <3 MAGA2021
My Lord and My God.
In Nomine Patris, et Filii, et Spiritus Sancti, Amen
Gloria Patri, et Filio, et Spiritui Sancto, Sicut erat in principio, et nunc, et semper, et in saecula saeculorum. Amen.
Soon to be Risen and Resurected to Redeem the World!
He redeemed the world when he descended to hell and defeated Satan.
Praise be His name!
another way to keep you isolated and weak.... close the church so you cannot play easily... they will pay all
🙏
Thank you lord for taking the punishment of the entire world
Amen! God bless y'all!
That's some real white privilege.
The real Good Friday isn't til April 30th.
This image calls to mind the Good Friday Reproaches: (Beautiful music for your Good Friday meditation on the sufferings of our Lord) Latin: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uW4m0RuiwPA English: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAfoo9UtQEM
i thought this guy was buried and rose from the dead?
Assuming you’re acting in good faith: The crucifixion happened first. Good Friday represents the day Jesus Christ was crucified, then rose from the dead 3 days later.
It’s why Christians wear the cross, or crucifix. Christians believe that in Christ, there is life beyond death, and by his sacrifice saved us from our sins, allowing for sinners to be redeemed and saved. Christians believe that the same holy power in Christ that made for his resurrection dwells within us. All those who follow His word may have their spirit resurrected as well, conquering death in their own way by having an afterlife in Heaven.
Different branches of Christianity have developed overtime, and some beliefs differ on what is required to “be saved”, be it by His grace alone that everyone is already saved who follow him (from the family man to the drunken wife beater), or by works and deeds, living and loving as Christ did and repenting for when they fall short. But the resurrection of Christ is essential to the Christian denominations, and is why it is so celebrated.
Sure, different branches with different beliefs have cropped up, but the Bible still plainly shows the only way to Christ is by simple faith in His name.
From the converts on Pentecost that believed, to the Ethiopian eunuch in Acts 8, to Cornelius and his family in Acts 10, to the Philippian jailor and his family in Acts 16, to the family man and the drunkard in 2021, the Bible is clear. "Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to His mercy, He saved us." "For by grace are ye saved through faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God. Not of works, lest any man should boast." (Titus 3:5;Ephesians 2:8-9)
If you are reading this and are trusting in being sprinkled, doing pennance, attending a particular church, doing good deeds, or anything else but accepting the free gift of salvation through the finished work of the cross, please reject your own works and ask Christ to save you today.
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvatoin. For the scripture saith, whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon Him. For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved." -Romans 10:9-13
Truly the greatest ritual ever completed by man.
No Catholic may join the masons. They are evil and can bring a multi-generational curse upon you family. Prayer of release for Freemasons and their descendants -- http://www.wdtprs.com/media/print/19_09_22_Freemasonry-Renunciation.pdf
thanks for sharing. the names a reference to how the freemasons granted Crowley the 33rd rite simply for being so knowledgable
They used small caves for tombs. Then they would go back later and collect the bones.
He is.
Amen!
Listen to this as you pray: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=locW-9S00VU
You want an anime redemption arc..wait 3 days ;) it's so good I can't spoil it for you
For you intellectual types:
Rene Girard, Christian philosopher / historian whose 'mimetic desire' thesis explains for us the significance of Christ's sacrifice as a re-directive scapegoat mechanism, redirecting the societal necessity for the restoration of order after violence
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbKMcMDQKm8
He is racist. Every Friday should be good.
I felt like Trump's political run aligned kinda with Christ's . I felt like he was going to be cheated out of a win. He was hated by the swamp elites like Jesus was, mocked, hated, ridiculed, slandered, betrayed by friends and the rich and powerful. The GOP wanted their idea of a "messiah", not the real deal. Obviously in no way am I comparing Trump to Jesus, but I see so many paralells in two good men who tried to change the world with TRUTH and how the elites hated it and took them down. Jesus wins in the end, thank God.
Who is this Mexican they call Jesus?
He probably died on Wednesday or Thursday though.
Can't get 72 hours between Friday and Sunday....
[Mat 12:40 KJV] 40 For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.
I proudly proclaim that Jesus Christ is my lord a savior. I’m not a perfect man, but Christ died for my sins and the sins of all man kind.
The art's nice, but this depiction of our Savior is Catholic nonsense—glamorizing the horrific sacrifice by making him look almost placid and untouched. He died as a man. He suffered grievously. We should be focused on his resurrection because that is what gave hope to this hopeless world, not his unjust death.
He was crucified tomorrow.
Sunday's coming brothers and sisters.
He is Risen. He is Risen, Indeed!
We are the light of the world. Time to earn our paychecks.
Love that guy <3
Spoiler alert - none of these events ever occurred.
Some of the artwork surrounding Christian mythology really is beautiful.
Lotta Jesus thumpers here. I just wanna kill Commies.
Christianity is a twisted death cult. Hear me out:
Its symbol is a literal ancient torture device, akin to choosing a tiny electric chair as the symbol for your religion.
The death cult glorifies the sacrifice of the innocent to the guilty. The human ideal of the cult (Jesus) is literally sacrificed and this is considered morally virtuous because he was innocent. This is complete moral depravity, it is completely irrational and unjust.
Jesus preached self-sacrifice as a moral virtue, which is irrational and immoral. He literally taught his followers that the rich (the productive, self-interested, capable etc) could not get into heaven and that they should sacrifice their stuff and themselves to follow him. This isn’t good moral advice, it’s pure evil and it’s the moral foundation of statism and subsequently leads to socialism. Man has a right to exist for his own sake and he isn’t a good, moral person based on how much he sacrifices himself to others but rather on how much he is able to produce and create for himself and his loved ones without violating the rights of other people.
He was basically a modern day, garden variety hippie of the kind you would find in a modern day socialist commune. He would have far more in common with people like Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump. He would denounce people like Trump and elevate the likes of Bernie because Christianity is a death cult and people like Trump are the exact opposite of the kind of man Christianity asks people to emulate.
So I read what you wrote and you really should learn what you're talking about before you decide to say dumb wrong shit my dude.
The point of the cross symbol isn't the mechanism for execution but rather the sacrifice that happened on it.
This makes no sense. The western moral system is derived from Christianity. You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true.
Jesus never said that rich people couldn't get into heaven, he said that it's difficult for rich people to get into heaven because they tend to love their money so much that they forget about God. Which is true.
Again he never said that. If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out. No, you don't have to give away your car to a homeless person. But maybe helping a homeless person eat or have clothing would be appropriate, if you can afford it.
Complete nonsense that comes straight from an Occupy Democrats meme. Jesus preached love and kindness, but as the embodiment of God, he also preached justice and punishment. There are certainly things about Trump's personality that do not align with the values Jesus taught, but a lot of them do, and that you say this shows how little you actually know about God and Jesus. Jesus would not "denounce" Trump nor elevate Bernie Sanders. Trump professes a faith in Christ, Sanders does not, that is what matters to God. God loves every person and gives them ample opportunity to accept him.
“The western moral system is derived from Christianity”
Not really.
Specially the founding of the United States, that’s more of a byproduct of the enlightenment. The moral system Christianity had a big influence and dominance over preceded our modern Western world by several centuries.
The Dark Ages are a good example of what “the west” looked like when Christian ethics, epistemology and metaphysics were the dominant philosophy of the time.
“You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true”
It’s the opposite of what Jesus taught but it’s certainly not the opposite of what is true.
I have a right to exist for my own sake. That is true. I have a right to my life, that is also true. I don’t owe strangers my life, that is also true.
You don’t know what “truth” is, and you also don’t realize how these primitive ethics are the moral foundation of statism and socialism.
“If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out”
Bernie Sanders??? Is that you???
See this is how I can tell you're just being edgy and probably not even an adult yet, you equate Western society with the United States.
It absolutely did not. You do realize that both of the societies viewed as the foundation of the West (Greek and Rome) existed and in fact Jesus was alive and died during the Roman Empire? And that the Old Testament makes direct references to both Greece and Rome?
By "Christian" you mean "Catholic" and there were absolutely plenty of immoral things the Catholic Church did to society. Hence protestantism and the reformation.
You exist because God allows you to exist, but he also gave you free will, and you definitely have rights. Christianity does nothing to make you give your life to strangers and it's kind of funny that you keep insinuating that it does, there must have been some sort of disconnect when whatever r/atheism post or cringe YouTube video taught you this misguided perception of the philosophy. It's kind of like how non-native English speakers from India all tend to use the phrase "do the needful" even though a native English speaker would likely never say that.
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" - 1 Corinthians 1:27, see also the book of Job. You are not smarter than God, even though you think you are, and one day you will realize that.
So helping the needy makes me Bernie? Why are you so selfish? You don't have to give away everything (or even a majority) and we were definitely overtaxed, but you're not willing to help those in need at all? What if you were homeless or hungry, wouldn't you want someone to help you?
“So helping the needy makes me Bernie?”
Preaching self-sacrifice as a moral virtue makes you an altruist and a piece of shit commie, yes.
Men of reason and self-esteem don’t engage in sacrifices. They live life as traders, trading value for value and never sacrifice others to himself of himself to others.
The only people who preach this nonsense are mystics and commies, but I repeat myself.
“Why are you so selfish?”
Because I am a living human being and my life, like the life of every other living creature, requires that I am the ultimate beneficiary of my actions. Otherwise, I die.
Again, listen to yourself. You are literally using the exact same lingo the god damn commies use.
“You don't have to give away everything (or even a majority)”
I don’t owe you shit just because you are a failure. Fuck off commie.
“but you're not willing to help those in need at all?”
Not as a moral duty, not against my will and not simply on the basis of need, no.
I only help those who 1. mean something to me 2. those who did not cause their circumstances, 3. who truly cannot help themselves and only 4. when and if I can.
Most people who are out there begging for money and on welfare do not pass that test.
“What if you were homeless or hungry, wouldn't you want someone to help you?”
I certainly would not expect or demand that a stranger help me, as a moral duty or against his will simply because I needed help. Strangers don’t owe me shit, they are not responsible for satisfying my needs and I don’t pretend for one second that need is an argument.
Because I’m not a fucking commie...
So before you argue with strangers on the internet, you should Google what a strawman argument is, because that's what you're making here. Donating 20 bucks to a children's hospital or volunteering a soup kitchen doesn't make you a communist piece of shit. Bernie's form of "help" is forced and thus immoral. Being kind and helping less fortunate people, voluntarily, is absolutely a virtue.
Wow, what a great path to a society of atomized, isolated, sad people with no community. Lending a hand to others is a great way to improve your community and feel better about yourself, you should try it some time, then you might be less angry.
Bro, donating a small amount of money or volunteering a small amount of your time will not kill you.
lol, so funny, I make six figures and I'm a computer programmer with a lot of nice things, a rightwing gf, and speak multiple languages. Yet there was a time where I was too poor to know where my next meal was coming from and almost failed high school. I needed some help. So are you saying that everyone less fortunate than you is a piece of shit? People should absolutely help themselves. Communism is bad. Handouts are generally bad. But people don't live in a vacuum. There is a middle ground between communism and never helping anyone out ever.
Oh that's cool, RagnarDanneskjold420 is apparently the arbiter of whether people who need help caused their circumstances or who cannot help themselves. When's the last time you donated your time or money to help people less fortunate?
There is a grain of truth in this statement in that a lot of people feign helplessness or need and that is evil to do.
You don't know that lol. You do not have that level of control over your life and could be made homeless tomorrow. Is it likely? No. Is it possible? Yes.
Bold of you to assume people who may need help have either family or friends.
“Bro, donating a small amount of money or volunteering a small amount of your time will not kill you”
Bernie Bro, that’s not the question. The question isnt will a small sacrifice kill me?
The question is, “am I morally obligated to sacrifice myself to others?” and the answer is no.
A small amount of poison won’t kill you either by the way, it doesn’t mean it’s a good or moral idea to ingest small amounts of poison.
“Bold of you to assume people who may need help have either family or friends”
People whose family and friends no longer help them are scum and you are a vicious moron if you help them too.
There’s usually a good reason someone’s own family and friends stop helping them. If one of my friends/family members turned out of be a pedophile I would no longer stop helping them, I would expect that other people also not help them.
If you are such a piece of shit that not even your own family or friends will help you then your life is not something we should worry too much about.
You certainly won’t convince me that it is moral to give money to able bodied people on the mere basis of need. Feel free to continue spewing commie bullshit about a so called duty to the poor, how greedy I am because I want to keep what is rightfully mine and how virtuous you are because you agree with Bernie Sanders.
Sounds more like you are in some serious denial.
You know I’m right but admitting that Jesus’ teachings are the moral foundation of statism and socialism is a huge red pill to swallow.
You have no argument, just ad hominem, got it.
You are in serious need of humility. You think really highly of yourself, and maybe you've got some great accomplishments, but you're not shit compared to God.
And if you truly understood scripture, you would know that Christianity inherently cannot be a statist philosophy because it contains prophecy that one day the state will persecute Christians, and it would be our duty to disobey the state in that case.
“ It absolutely did not”
Yes, it did.
America and everything good about the west is not a byproduct of Christian thought -which had dominance over cultures and societies for centuries- but rather an explicit rejection of mysticism and the adoption of reason and humanism.
“Christianity does nothing to make you give your life to strangers and it's kind of funny that you keep insinuating that it does”
This is laughable nonsense and you know it.
Christ himself openly preached that it was moral and good to give up your stuff to the poor -strangers, all you know about them is that they are failures/are poor- and explicitly preached that we should love our enemies etc.
Stop lying to yourself, quit being full of shit. You know I’m right, that is in fact what Jesus taught. Read Matthew 19:21 and then come back.
Jesus would have been a pink haired commie faggot today and that’s a fact. He believed it was good for people to sacrifice themselves for others, which is the same thing communists preach and implement via statism. His teachings are responsible for incalculable suffering and death around the world. His ethics are completely incompatible with men of reason, purpose and self-esteem and for that reason they are incompatible with a free, moral society.
America is a nation founded on the shoulders of the enlightenment. Christianity is not the dominant philosophy behind the founding of the country, and in fact that’s why it was such an undeniable success.
You blasphemous fool. How dare you throw the name of my Jesus, my Savior, my friend... in the mud with pinko commie faggots. Disgusting disgrace of a human.
Oh, and by the way. You suck at context. You argue that Jesus said rich people can't get into heaven. Allow me to continue the rest of the story which you neglected to mention: Matthew 19:21-26
"Jesus said unto him, If thou wilt be perfect, go and sell that thou hast, and give to the poor, and thou shalt have treasure in heaven: and come and follow me. But when the young man heard that saying, he went away sorrowful: for he had great possessions.
Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven. And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God. When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved? But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible."
I serve the God of the impossible, who loves all and calls all men to repentance. Repent of your blasphemy and rejection of Christ before you burn in hell for eternity and are haunted by these words forever.
Right, which perfectly explains why western society is getting more degenerate as it gets less Christian, right? Humanism is a great philosophy. Transgenderism, polyamory, habitual intoxication, all of the behaviors that would be unacceptable under a Christian theocracy are made acceptable by you. What a great future we have to look forward to.
Jesus spoke in parables and he wasn't saying to literally give up everything you have to the poor. He was saying that it's good to help people out how don't have as much as you do. It's pretty rich that we have an atheist Googling Bible verses to try and lecture a believer on their own doctrine.
Matthew 19:21 is again a reiteration of God's wish that you should care more about your eternal destiny than earthy possessions and money, which don't last very long in the timeline of eternity.
Super edgy bro, keep demonstrating how little you know about him though.
Quoting a Bible verse without understanding the context and then saying you're right over and over isn't an argument buddy. And someone disagreeing with your incorrect interpretation of scripture doesn't mean that they're wrong or a socialist or whatever other ridiculous cope you have for someone disagreeing with you is.
You keep saying this over and over and over. In a life or death situation, sacrificing yourself for a brother is definitely honorable, but Christians are not commanded to completely sacrifice their lives for others. We are commanded to do service for others, but that's not the same as sacrificing your life.
It absolutely is. The moral code embedded in our laws and generally western laws (don't kill/rape/steal/do incest/etc) derives extensively and directly from Christian moral code. The majority of the US population has been Christian since our founding and to this day. We have monuments, mottos, pledges, and anthems which reference the Christian God. Our collective reverence for God is what has led to our success, and our collective eschewing of him will lead to our failure.
“ The point of the cross symbol isn't the mechanism for execution but rather the sacrifice that happened on it.
I’m aware of that, I addressed that and pointed out how it was disgustingly immoral.
I’ll explain it again, with bigger apples since you are a bit slow.
Christ, in terms of the Christian philosophy, is the human ideal. He personifies that which men should strive to emulate. Yet, according to the Christian mythology, he died on the cross not for his own sins but for the sins of the nonideal people. In other words, a man of perfect virtue was sacrificed for men who are vicious and who are expected or supposed to accept that sacrifice. If I were a Christian, nothing could make me more indignant than that: the notion of sacrificing the ideal to the nonideal, or virtue to vice. And it is in the name of that symbol that men are asked to sacrifice themselves for their inferiors. That is precisely how the symbolism is used.
Friend, I'm not slow just because you are fruitlessly trying to make a false point. The incorrect explanation you are here presenting about Christ is a non sequitur to the symbolism of the cross itself.
If you'd like to rebut what I said about the cross as a symbol, feel free to do so at any time.
Wrong. Wrong! On many levels! Christianity does not ask you to sacrifice yourself to men. I'm not sure where you're getting your information but it certainly is not from the Bible. Christians are to put God first in their lives, so in a way, we "sacrifice" ourselves to God, but not to other men. Jesus already made the ultimate sacrifice for men, we don't need to.
And I'm not sure what you mean by "inferior" because all men are equal before God. It seems you are overly prideful in your position or wealth and you should know that God hates that, and if you don't humble yourself, he will humble you the hard way.
I don’t give a fuck what gods hate because they don’t exist.
As you'd say, "nice argument." God does exist, not "gods" but the one God, though he is called by many names (Yahweh, Jehovah, El Shaddai, et al).
I'm not sure why seeing others express belief tends to make atheists seethe so much. Ask yourself, why are you so angry? Is it because you harbor sins (maybe watching porn or failing to help your neighbors [meaning the poor]) or something else? Or could it be because God is beyond human logic and understanding, but atheists think that everything in existence must fit within the confines of our limited understand and logic, but since God does not, he must not exist?
I went through an atheist phase and putting aside my pride was hard, but I did it. You may think you know it all, but human knowledge and understanding pales in comparison to the one who made the universe. I hope you'll understand that someday.
Bernie’s politics more faithfully align with Jesus’ ethics than Trump’s, period.
I mean you can keep saying that but it just belies your ignorance about Jesus. Saying that Bernie's politics align more with Jesus' when Bernie does not profess a belief in Jesus, advocates for baby murder (abortion), and countless other policies incompatible with God, is asinine.
I share your disdain for socialism and you should know that Jesus was not a socialist despite the memes it seems you've been indoctrinated with, but repeating this line equating Jesus to Bernie is pure cope. Trump believes in Jesus and so do a plurality, if not an outright majority of Trump supporters.
"And then Jesus declared that the kingdom of heaven depends on a strong federeal confiscatory regime paired with abortion on demand. Verily, any attempts to alleviate the human condition outside the auspices of government are the work of the devil. Then, seeing the crowds, he ascended the mountain, and when he had sat down, his disciples drew near to him, and opening his mouth, he taught them, saying: 'there are too many people out there bros, Gaia can not sustain them. We must increase abortion and promote the ideals that lead to more of it. Let's start with the holy family of fathers, mothers, and their children. It must go. Maybe we could do a 1 child policy. And I say unto you, we must reduce our reliance on technology that lifts all these poor masses out of poverty, keeps them from going hungry, provides light during the day and allows them to live past the age of 40. And bros, don't even get me started on nuclear power. That's enough for now, let's go burn down that affordable tent complex under construction to protest against inequality.'
Jesus advocated personal charity, personal responsibility, and being a good citizen.
Bernie advocates the state stealing your money and allegedly giving it to those less fortunate, but we all know the corrupt government won't actually give the money to those less fortunate. They have nothing in common. Nothing.
Thou shalt not envy, thou shalt not steal, thou shalt not murder (unborn), ?
Guess President Trump shouldn’t have been so irrational and immoral by sacrificing his time and money to serve our nation as president.
That wasn’t a sacrifice. He benefits immensely from a free America. It would be a sacrifice if he worked for the destruction of America (something he values) in the name of the poor of the world.
That would be a sacrifice and it’s precisely the kind of sacrifice Jesus would advocate.
I'm gonna pray for you homie (whether you like it or not) that you at least fix your super misguided perception of Jesus.
And just so you know, Trump absolutely made a sacrifice. He sacrificed a lot of money, time, and energy of his golden years to be the President, and didn't even take a paycheck.
That’s fine. It literally can’t hurt me.
While you pray for me I will be thinking for you.
Your denial can and eventually will hurt you. Every person who has ever lived or will live will face God's judgement, and you will be punished eternally if you don't make the right choice. You have until you die to make the right choice, but you never know when that moment will come.
Haha I love watching you fuckheads lose the argument and then start threatening people, doesn’t seem like somthing Jesus would do but most christians are massive hypocrites anyway.
Your response here is the rhetorical equivalent of "nana nana boo boo stick your head in doo doo." I didn't lose the argument, you just stopped responding.
And I'm not threatening you, I have nothing against you. In fact this is what is meant by "love your enemy" because I'm actually trying to save you by warning you about your impending doom despite your seeming hatred of me and what I believe.
It's not a threat, but a warning. I will not be the one judging you.
shut up pagan faggot, go read the bible
your bad takes come from the basic athiest/pagan argument
Nice argument.
t. pagan
Muh evropa :DDDD
That doesn’t scare me.
Again, this is just a creepy death cult lmao
Jesus of Nazareth was a a great rabbi, and a great Jew.
He was not the messiah. Abraham, Moses, Elijah - but Jesus was not Gd incarnate. We cannot fathom Gd. Gd has no body, Gd cannot be understood by man - and G*d is not corporeal.
Sorry, but Jesus of Nazareth did not check the "messianic checkboxes" in the Torah.
He fought no wars, he built no temple, he was not victorious over nations, he caused no great masses to come to Judaism, and as it is written, he would lay claim to his title - should he merit it....and according to the Gospels, he made no claim.
Jesus of Nazareth was not the messiah. The messiah is not yet here - and we must still wait for G*d.
The entire Torah is about Jesus. Consider the 1st 10 generations and the Hebrew meanings:
Adam-Man Seth-Is appointed Enos-mortal Cainan-sorrow Mahalaleel-The glory of God Jared-(shall) come down Enoch-teaching Methuselah-His death shall bring(Methuselah also died the year the flood began, fitting name) Lamech-the despairing Noah-comfort/rest
So the author of Genesis hid the Christian gospel in a geneology? I don't believe it. The same God is the God of the Old and New Testaments, and Jesus is who He said He is.
Furthurmore... His arrival was prophesied to the day in Daniel, hence His sadness on Palm Sunday as the people didn't even recognize the fulfillment of it.
He declared He was the Messiah as well, so if He's a liar how can He be a great rabbi and a great Jew?
This is what had always baffled me about my Jewish friends. How can he be a great rabbi and a great Jew, yet be a liar. And not only a liar, but lying about being God incarnate. Seems like a pretty big lie, if indeed they believe it is a lie. One that would seem to be big enough to not label him a great rabbi or Jew.
Because Jews calling Jesus "a great rabbi and Jew" is their deceptive way of saying they despise him for chiefly the reasons you describe, they just don't want to admit it because they enjoy how nice Christians tend to be to them.
Paul’s Epistles, written earlier than the Gospels, give us no reason to dogmatically declare Jesus must have existed. Avoiding Jesus’ earthly events and teachings, even when the latter could have bolstered his own claims, Paul only describes his “Heavenly Jesus.” Even when discussing what appear to be the resurrection and the last supper, his only stated sources are his direct revelations from the Lord, and his indirect revelations from the Old Testament. In fact, Paul actually rules out human sources (see Galatians 1:11-12).
Also important are the sources we don’t have. There are no existing eyewitness or contemporary accounts of Jesus. All we have are later descriptions of Jesus’ life events by non-eyewitnesses, most of whom are obviously biased. Little can be gleaned from the few non-Biblical and non-Christian sources, with only Roman scholar Josephus and historian Tacitus having any reasonable claim to be writing about Jesus within 100 years of his life. And even those sparse accounts are shrouded in controversy, with disagreements over what parts have obviously been changed by Christian scribes (the manuscripts were preserved by Christians), the fact that both these authors were born after Jesus died (they would thus have probably received this information from Christians), and the oddity that centuries go by before Christian apologists start referencing them.
Agnosticism over the matter is already seemingly appropriate, and support for this position comes from independent historian Richard Carrier’s recent defense of another theory — namely, that the belief in Jesus started as the belief in a purely celestial being (who was killed by demons in an upper realm), who became historicized over time. To summarize Carrier’s 800-page tome, this theory and the traditional theory – that Jesus was a historical figure who became mythicized over time – both align well with the Gospels, which are later mixtures of obvious myth and what at least sounds historical.
The Pauline Epistles, however, overwhelmingly support the “celestial Jesus” theory, particularly with the passage indicating that demons killed Jesus, and would not have done so if they knew who he was (see: 1 Corinthians 2:6-10). Humans – the murderers according to the Gospels – of course would still have killed Jesus, knowing full well that his death results in their salvation, and the defeat of the evil spirits.
So what do the mainstream (and non-Christian) scholars say about all this? Surprisingly very little – of substance anyway. Only Bart Ehrman and Maurice Casey have thoroughly attempted to prove Jesus’ historical existence in recent times. Their most decisive point? The Gospels can generally be trusted – after we ignore the many, many bits that are untrustworthy – because of the hypothetical (i.e. non-existent) sources behind them. Who produced these hypothetical sources? When? What did they say? Were they reliable? Were they intended to be accurate historical portrayals, enlightening allegories, or entertaining fictions?
Ehrman and Casey can’t tell you – and neither can any New Testament scholar. Given the poor state of the existing sources, and the atrocious methods used by mainstream Biblical historians, the matter will likely never be resolved. In sum, there are clearly good reasons to doubt Jesus’ historical existence – if not to think it outright improbable.
So now you're going from arguing that Jesus was "a great rabbi and Jew" to "we don't know if he existed because there aren't existing eyewitness accounts of Jesus."
Now it's understandable why people call your kind shapeshifters. Stop being shifty and repent before the Lord.
Oh dear, oh my....you say the Pauline Epistles don't talk about Jesus? Did you like...skip over 1 Corinthians 15? And I quote:
"Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand; by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also recieved, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: and that he was seen of Cephas, then of the twelve: after that, he was seen of above five hundred brethren at once; of whom the greater part remain unto this present, but some are fallen asleep. After that, he was seen of James; then of all the apostles. And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due time."
Paul never argued for an intangible or celestial Jesus, and his accounts clearly back up those of the other apostles. He claims that Peter, the twelve, and over 500 people at once saw a physically risen Savior.
I haven't even gone into your original comment yet. But I'll give a TL;DR response. Either Jesus was liar, lunatic, or Lord. He claimed himself, "Before Abraham was, I am." Then the Jews took up stones to stone him because he clearly said that he was and is the I AM.
This is honestly pretty funny.
Kek. This is Jen Psaki if she was a theologian.
He was the Messiah, if you as a Jew can read Isaiah 53 and somehow come to a different conclusion, then you are being willfully blind. Jesus rendered Judaism obsolete.
Repent from your wicked ways and believe on the Lord Jesus Christ. The Lamb of God, the ultimate sacrifice was slain for us so we could obtain everlasting salvation: [Isa 53:5 KJV] 5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[Act 16:29-31 KJV] 29 Then he called for a light, and sprang in, and came trembling, and fell down before Paul and Silas, 30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? 31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house. [Rom 10:9, 13 KJV] 9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. ... 13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
[Dan 9:24-27 KJV] 24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. 25 Know therefore and understand, [that] from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince [shall be] seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times. 26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined. 27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
This states the Messiah will come and be killed BEFORE the city of Jerusalem and its Temple are destroyed in 70AD. After 62 weeks (33ad) b) shall Messiah be cut off (killed), but not for himself, and the people (Romans) of the prince that hsall come (future European antichrist) shall destroy the city of Jersualem in 70ad and the sanctuary (the temple in 70AD)
This teaches us a few things: a) that the Messiah offers himself to Israel as their Prince in 33ad after 69 weeks (=7+62) of years. This occurs at the end of the 62 week interval. b) Messiah will be rejected by Israel and killed. (33ad) c) Romans will destroy Jerusalem d) Romans will destroy the Temple (70ad) Here Jesus Christ fulfils Daniel's prophecy that Messiah will come and be kiled before Jersualem and the temple is destryed in 70 ad