So I read what you wrote and you really should learn what you're talking about before you decide to say dumb wrong shit my dude.
The point of the cross symbol isn't the mechanism for execution but rather the sacrifice that happened on it.
Jesus preached self-sacrifice as a moral virtue, which is irrational and immoral
This makes no sense. The western moral system is derived from Christianity. You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true.
He literally taught his followers that the rich (the productive, self-interested, capable etc) could not get into heaven
Jesus never said that rich people couldn't get into heaven, he said that it's difficult for rich people to get into heaven because they tend to love their money so much that they forget about God. Which is true.
that they should sacrifice their stuff and themselves to follow him
Again he never said that. If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out. No, you don't have to give away your car to a homeless person. But maybe helping a homeless person eat or have clothing would be appropriate, if you can afford it.
He was basically a modern day, garden variety hippie of the kind you would find in a modern day socialist commune. He would have far more in common with people like Bernie Sanders than Donald Trump
Complete nonsense that comes straight from an Occupy Democrats meme. Jesus preached love and kindness, but as the embodiment of God, he also preached justice and punishment. There are certainly things about Trump's personality that do not align with the values Jesus taught, but a lot of them do, and that you say this shows how little you actually know about God and Jesus. Jesus would not "denounce" Trump nor elevate Bernie Sanders. Trump professes a faith in Christ, Sanders does not, that is what matters to God. God loves every person and gives them ample opportunity to accept him.
“The western moral system is derived from Christianity”
Not really.
Specially the founding of the United States, that’s more of a byproduct of the enlightenment. The moral system Christianity had a big influence and dominance over preceded our modern Western world by several centuries.
The Dark Ages are a good example of what “the west” looked like when Christian ethics, epistemology and metaphysics were the dominant philosophy of the time.
“You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true”
It’s the opposite of what Jesus taught but it’s certainly not the opposite of what is true.
I have a right to exist for my own sake. That is true. I have a right to my life, that is also true. I don’t owe strangers my life, that is also true.
You don’t know what “truth” is, and you also don’t realize how these primitive ethics are the moral foundation of statism and socialism.
“If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out”
See this is how I can tell you're just being edgy and probably not even an adult yet, you equate Western society with the United States.
The moral system Christianity had a big influence and dominance over preceded our modern Western world by several centuries
It absolutely did not. You do realize that both of the societies viewed as the foundation of the West (Greek and Rome) existed and in fact Jesus was alive and died during the Roman Empire? And that the Old Testament makes direct references to both Greece and Rome?
The Dark Ages are a good example of what “the west” looked like when Christian ethics
By "Christian" you mean "Catholic" and there were absolutely plenty of immoral things the Catholic Church did to society. Hence protestantism and the reformation.
I have a right to exist for my own sake. That is true. I have a right to my life, that is also true. I don’t owe strangers my life, that is also true.
You exist because God allows you to exist, but he also gave you free will, and you definitely have rights. Christianity does nothing to make you give your life to strangers and it's kind of funny that you keep insinuating that it does, there must have been some sort of disconnect when whatever r/atheism post or cringe YouTube video taught you this misguided perception of the philosophy. It's kind of like how non-native English speakers from India all tend to use the phrase "do the needful" even though a native English speaker would likely never say that.
You don’t know what “truth” is
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" - 1 Corinthians 1:27, see also the book of Job. You are not smarter than God, even though you think you are, and one day you will realize that.
Bernie Sanders??? Is that you???
So helping the needy makes me Bernie? Why are you so selfish? You don't have to give away everything (or even a majority) and we were definitely overtaxed, but you're not willing to help those in need at all? What if you were homeless or hungry, wouldn't you want someone to help you?
So I read what you wrote and you really should learn what you're talking about before you decide to say dumb wrong shit my dude.
The point of the cross symbol isn't the mechanism for execution but rather the sacrifice that happened on it.
This makes no sense. The western moral system is derived from Christianity. You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true.
Jesus never said that rich people couldn't get into heaven, he said that it's difficult for rich people to get into heaven because they tend to love their money so much that they forget about God. Which is true.
Again he never said that. If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out. No, you don't have to give away your car to a homeless person. But maybe helping a homeless person eat or have clothing would be appropriate, if you can afford it.
Complete nonsense that comes straight from an Occupy Democrats meme. Jesus preached love and kindness, but as the embodiment of God, he also preached justice and punishment. There are certainly things about Trump's personality that do not align with the values Jesus taught, but a lot of them do, and that you say this shows how little you actually know about God and Jesus. Jesus would not "denounce" Trump nor elevate Bernie Sanders. Trump professes a faith in Christ, Sanders does not, that is what matters to God. God loves every person and gives them ample opportunity to accept him.
“The western moral system is derived from Christianity”
Not really.
Specially the founding of the United States, that’s more of a byproduct of the enlightenment. The moral system Christianity had a big influence and dominance over preceded our modern Western world by several centuries.
The Dark Ages are a good example of what “the west” looked like when Christian ethics, epistemology and metaphysics were the dominant philosophy of the time.
“You are making the argument that caring about other people or putting them first (sacrificing you them) is immoral, which is the opposite of what is true”
It’s the opposite of what Jesus taught but it’s certainly not the opposite of what is true.
I have a right to exist for my own sake. That is true. I have a right to my life, that is also true. I don’t owe strangers my life, that is also true.
You don’t know what “truth” is, and you also don’t realize how these primitive ethics are the moral foundation of statism and socialism.
“If you have a nice house and cars and guns and whatever, God is cool with that, he just doesn't want you to care about that stuff more than him, and he just wants you to help the poor out”
Bernie Sanders??? Is that you???
See this is how I can tell you're just being edgy and probably not even an adult yet, you equate Western society with the United States.
It absolutely did not. You do realize that both of the societies viewed as the foundation of the West (Greek and Rome) existed and in fact Jesus was alive and died during the Roman Empire? And that the Old Testament makes direct references to both Greece and Rome?
By "Christian" you mean "Catholic" and there were absolutely plenty of immoral things the Catholic Church did to society. Hence protestantism and the reformation.
You exist because God allows you to exist, but he also gave you free will, and you definitely have rights. Christianity does nothing to make you give your life to strangers and it's kind of funny that you keep insinuating that it does, there must have been some sort of disconnect when whatever r/atheism post or cringe YouTube video taught you this misguided perception of the philosophy. It's kind of like how non-native English speakers from India all tend to use the phrase "do the needful" even though a native English speaker would likely never say that.
"But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;" - 1 Corinthians 1:27, see also the book of Job. You are not smarter than God, even though you think you are, and one day you will realize that.
So helping the needy makes me Bernie? Why are you so selfish? You don't have to give away everything (or even a majority) and we were definitely overtaxed, but you're not willing to help those in need at all? What if you were homeless or hungry, wouldn't you want someone to help you?
Sounds more like you are in some serious denial.
You know I’m right but admitting that Jesus’ teachings are the moral foundation of statism and socialism is a huge red pill to swallow.