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BeekeeperAndy 0 points ago +22 / -22

Last time Russia had Ukraine 10 million people starved to death.

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treasonUS -2 points ago +2 / -4

Most of that stuff you hear about the holomodore is bull shit. the fact is the famine was regional and many Russians starved too. Kieve was the first capital of Russland . Ukraine did not exist actually until Lenin created it . Kruchev gave the territory of Crimea for Ukraine to manage during Soviet rule. Russia fought for Crimea under Cathrine the great and won it. The difference between Ukraine and Russia is sort of like the difference between Irish and Scottish. They are basically brothers but have disagreements caused by western meddlers.

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PenceIsAsshoe 0 points ago +1 / -1

The Soviets in Moscow hated the Ukrainians and took all of their grain for the rest of the SU.

Holodomor was state-sponsored terrorism.

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treasonUS 1 point ago +1 / -0

Not defending or supporting the idealogy of Communism because it is a flawed system however the following statements give a more clear understanding of Holomodor

  1. Famines in the Ukraine were naturally occurring periodically, once every few decades, long before the USSR. They were put to a stop by the communist state, and never happened again after 1932.
  2. In the late 1920s and early 1930s, the entire word was heavily affected by the global financial crash, what is known as the Great Depression, and there were famines in many places, including the USA.
  3. At that time, the USSR was devastated by WW1, and the Bolsheviks knew that another major European war was coming. Industrialisation from an agrarian economy was a matter of life or death for the entire nation. The USSR needed technology and machines from other countries, from capitalist states which funded their early industrialisation and technological advancement with wealth from colonialism and slavery. But instead of helping Russia, crippling sanctions and embargoes were placed on the USSR by the US and allies. Specifically, gold sanctions which prohibited USSR to trade with gold, leaving agricultural goods as the only currency option.
  4. In that fateful year Stalin made a bet against nature, that the harvest would be good, and used the grains produced to trade for desperately needed machines and equipment, but lost.
  5. Another major contributing factor was that the Ukrainian Kulaks, land and slave owning bourgeoisie, had in the preceding years slaughtered their livestock, many millions of cows, horses, pigs, and burnt their crops, in protest of collectivisation.
  6. The fraudulent myth of the “holodomor” is a thousand layered onion. First pushed by the fascist devotee media tycoon William Randolph Hearst. His “journalist on the ground” was proven to have never set foot in Ukraine, and used photos of previous famines and famines in other places to support his wild claims. His story, backed by Ukrainian fascists and German nazis, was already totally discredited in the USA in the late 1930s, but was later revived again, and pushed by all bourgeois institutions to saturate Western consciousness. Today it remains one of the central lies in the fortress of anti-communism, championed by nazis and liberals everywhere.
  7. The numbers were extremely exaggerated, first by Ukrainian nationalists, then by the nazis, and later enshrined by bourgeois academies. According to new scholarship, it was not 80 million, not even 30 million, not 15 million, but between 3 and 6 million, similar to previous famines in that region.
  8. The Bolsheviks worked tirelessly to improve living conditions for all people, and had no possible motive for intentionally killing millions in the Ukraine. After the war, Stalin’s administration vastly improved agriculture and in merely 2 decades, doubled the life expectancy in all of Soviet territory, including, of course, Ukraine, from 35 years to 70 years.