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Smurfection 16 points ago +16 / -0

What Americans and other westerners don't understand is that not a single institution in China views itself as something other than a servant of the Chinese government. All Chinese see every contract as valid only insofar as the Chinese government benefits, economically or otherwise. The moment it is not useful or profitable to the Chinese, the deal is over. They really are like Vader "I altered the deal. Pray I do not alter it further". Unfortunately, the top quintile in American politics and business do not care and refuse to understand this.

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ChelseaHubbell 11 points ago +11 / -0

It's communism, all companies you deal with are CCP controlled at the top. Stupid Americans are too stupid to realize this

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whippeat 5 points ago +5 / -0

For better or worse, they are literally ’China First’. And the western companies KNOW this, and they’re still greedy and stupid enough to try and deal with them.

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trumpfu 6 points ago +6 / -0

Well, I would not say "all" Chinese. As an outside observer who have spent a lot of time there, and as an admirer of traditional Chinese culture, my belief is that the Chinese Communist Party, CCP, has destroyed the country, and its people, completely. People respond to incentives. CCP controls all businesses, all media, and all lands. You cannot get ahead there, without at least paying superficial fealty to the CCP. The incentive setup rewards short term thinking, because CCP can take everything from you tomorrow, and because foreigners can be cheated without repercussions. In addition, CCP propaganda brainwashes the locals that it's OK to steal from the Europeans, Americans, and Japanese. My belief is that any party that has replaced itself as God, that rewrote all of its history, and culture, end up creating a society where nobody can be trusted.

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Smurfection 5 points ago +5 / -0

The Chinese who don't view contracts that way, don't get contracts by and large. What you mean though, is that there are Chinese people who hate what has happened to their country, their government, their way of life etc.

There's a guy I heard about, friend of a friend, who had a contract with the Chinese, got totally screwed over. He found out a Chinese guy basically stole his "idea" and the stuff he assembled in China to implement it. He had to get specialized American lawyers to deal with all the bs and they flat out told him, what you thought you signed isn't what you signed and explained to him that although what he said in the contract was in the contract, the translation of it and the fine print, basically said the opposite of what he thought he was signing. He almost lost his entire fortune. I really don't care about him though, other than I feel sorry for anyone that that happens to but somehow, it's harder to care, when I found out, he thought China was going to be nice to him "oh they're so nice". Srsly, all he talked about for a couple of years was how great China was and even sent his kids to a Chinese immersion school because "China is the future.". I feel sorry for him in the sense that his idealism got destroyed but not sorry in the sense that the idiot voted for Jao Bei Deng.

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whippeat 6 points ago +6 / -0

100% correct

When a company reaches a certain size they MUST have CCP members on the board

Same in academia actually. Once you are promoted to any senior position as a professor, you need to join the CCP officially. That’s the other reason you can’t trust any science from China. They’d never put out anything which would make their government look bad.

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MAGAMoose 3 points ago +3 / -0

How is this any different that what we are living with now. Just replace ccp with woke Marxist.

Our current government and all of our relevant corporations and all controlled by the same people.

Come to think of it those people likely are the ccp.

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trumpfu 3 points ago +3 / -0

Large segments of our political class want to be the CCP. They want to dictate production, reproduction, and thoughts.