The biggest lie that American conservatives tell themselves is that America is an Idea.
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America is not an idea, it’s a nation
The greatest ever.
If an African moves to Central America, does that make them African-American?
Fun Fact: Hyphenations denote actual immigrants. One who is a citizen of Italy who then immigrates legally to America is an Italian-American. I, of Italian Descent, whose parents and even grandparents were born here, am just an American. A Black Man who is a legal Italian Citizen who has immigrated here is an Italian-American, even if none of his ancestors have even a single Italian Helix among all their DNA.
Furthermore, Africa is a Continent, not a Country. "America" technically is not a country either, however it is a colloquial term for citizens of the United States OF America, but even allowing for "American" meaning a citizen of the States, it is impossible to be an "African-American" as there is no such "African Citizenship" as there is "American Citizenship."
So under real rules, nah, he's not African-American. But under "Whatever the hell you want, make up the rules as you go" rules, the rules that the left uses, sure, why not?
Indeed. Elon Musk is an African-American. George Fentanyl was not.
Floyd was a junkie motherfucker
The word "nation" IS BY DEFINITION AN "IDEA"
fucking dipshits are retarded.
Learn what the words you use actually mean
Being stupid is not a great look on you.
But it fits you pretty well.
civnat cuck, fetch me a sandwich.
What is it with you stormfags? You adopt cultural Marxism, embrace neo liberalism and neo conservatism like a Koch retard. Civnat? Haha hey let's further divide like a good cuck and create boundaries around groups....yeah cause that helps the left.
Confused grifters trying to fit into something. Oh we are America First...no no your not.
It's kinda of fun though because this little movement is temporary. The meme material of stormfags is equal to AOC. Its gonna trigger and hurt ya.
You know whats funny to me?
If you were as superior to other people because of your skin color as you think you are, you would be pushing for a meritocracy instead of a white nationalist state, because you would rise through the ranks based on your own individual qualities in a merit based system.
But you can't.
You want the power of the government to do it for you.
Because you, yourself, are weak.
Nerbolanski is a retarded white nationalist pushing his shit here. It used to bug me but now I get a chuckle at how uneducated the posts are. It’s like the ideological version of a kid that’s never had sex and is obsessed with it and is mega cringe.
Yep. Definitely lol. Unlike you I I read the literature of opposing ideologies to my own and keep an open mind, willing to change my position when presented with new information if it makes sense logically. The one conclusion I keep arriving at is both white nationalists and commies are retarded fags.
We don't like Libertarians. You need to stop punching right.
Lmao.what a fag you are.
I think a bigger issue is with the labels we're assigning here.
More than happy to elaborate, but let me just say that Thomas Jefferson was a Liberal and none of these a$$clowns claiming that title have any idea what he stood for.
We're fighting against tyranny while arguing about what to call them.
Classical liberalism is a specific thing. It doesn't just mean challenging the established order.
Rather it sort of means believing in the most amount of freedom for the most people. The real quote that defines classical liberalism is "I might not agree with what you say, but I will fight to the death to defend your right to say it."
Now, I get that we're used to calling the left liberals, but really they aren't liberal at all anymore, and haven't been for decades. I try hard not to use the term liberal anymore, since we're dealing with authoritarian leftists, not liberals.
But I slip up sometimes.
Modern day "liberalism" is a non-starter. There is noting liberal about those who oppose free speech and pretty much everything else actual liberalism entails.
Drop the labels, because your understanding of what we're dealing with is pretty close to being spot on and it's getting distorted by using "their" terminology.
Example: you chastise Libertarians. But they come in many different flavors. Some are anarchists and others think a limited Federalist government is a good idea. I happen to agree with both on many issues, but not all.
Jefferson was a "Liberal" because he cared more about individual rights than the state. He was correct. Bastardization of the term doesn't take away from who he was and what he stood for.
Please don't ague the semantic details; it's the big picture that matters here.
Yup, we're all on the same side fighting against something rather awful.
(We're going to win)
I am not fighting for individual freedoms. I am fighting for my people. Big difference.
I don't think the difference is as big as you suggest.
Lmao Thomas Jefferson is probably an ancestor of a significant portion of black Americans. If you think he cared about race, you are fooling yourselves.
It's a myth that has been completely disproven by Jared Taylor. You know that, right?
Look at the first citizenship act and immigration law.the rumours of Jefferson and Hemings is most likely his brother,not him.Jared Taylor exposed this myth.
He had Jacobin "sympathies" and a leftist bedroom.
I haven’t seen any libs on here just conservatives and libertarians
Libertarians are liberals.
How about we quit using British party names from the 1800s to label US political philosophies in 2021
They sure act like it. A cancer to the earth
Not in the modern sense, no. All the people here that bitch about libertarians have never expressed any understanding of it. The just look at the libertarian party and pant everyone with that brush. That’s like saying all republicans (the common voter/every day individual) holds the same beliefs as RINO cucks. They don’t and are frustrated to see those in power tarnish the Republican name. Same with libertarians.
Libertarians want economic freedom and don’t want legislated morality. That doesn’t mean we want to see the destruction of society.
We want legislated morality. We have to arrest this degeneracy immediately.
You sound just like the left. You want authoritarianism so long as it benefits you over others. Same thing just a different veneer. Shit for brains the lot of you lol.
What a low-IQ comment. Holy shit. Did you read what you even wrote?
What would you replace it with personally?
Would you integrate minorities (not throw them out wholesale), whilst cutting off immigration? That’s what I got from your white majority statement...
I actually agree with the latter. Some black nationalist commits a crime. Give him two options. 1 serve their sentence. 2 Have them voluntarily renounce their citizenship, and give them a one way ticket to Liberia where the only way to gain instant citizenship is being black.
It’s quite literally a black ethostate.
What created the US Postwar Golden Age was starting around 1930 and for almost 40 years, we tuned immigration down to almost nothing, and what nothing there was was mostly Europeans and esp. Iron Curtain Refugees.
That really makes a globalist squirm when you note the greatest Technological and Economic expansion in World History happened during historically low US Immigration, and the most monochrome presentation of 100% Americanism, US is Best being hammered home in school.
What? The 30s were the Great Depression. We only emerged from that with WW2. As for US excellence in this era, much was thanks to the work of first generation arrivals like Tesla and plenty of the key figures in the Manhattan Project and we would have lost the Space Race and maybe the Cold War would have gone differently but for Germans like Werner von Braun. Come on people, even GEOTUS' mom and 2/3 of his wife's not born here. Argue for standards again or pauses, but falsifying the historical record... Arguably the greatest American business leader now is an immigrant from Africa. Wakanda time!
The decades of no immigration helped create the American Dream by putting a damper on the unskilled labor supply.
The last time we had 15% foreign born population was in the 1910s - and just recently, today.
Putnam says 15% is the turning point where there's too much diversity in a given area, perhaps that applies to immigration?
We should have a 1 in 20, or 5% Foreign Born, cap at which no more immigration is possible.
No. I'd deport them.
Cringe.
Our founding fathers wanted nothing to be like Europeans. They didn't want to be part of their endless wars and said so. Europe is broken America was the new form but we ended up like europe fighting endless wars.
Yes they were Europeans but they were trying to forge their own way. They tried to take the best of old Europe and then add in new world thinking. I don't think we are in disagreement here. They also specifically said to not get entangled in the old worlds wars
That worked until those who profit from war got a foothold.
Authoritarians. They started changing our system to benefit themselves.
Accurate.
Exactly.
Yes. That was also the basis of why we didnt hop right into the World Wars when Britain joined. Although, to my basic understanding, at least in ww2 we secretly gave Britain weapons.
Recognize our roots, but their problems are their problems.
In World War Two, we publically gave fucking Stalin, the worst war criminal of all time, lend lease shit. Shermans. Trucks. All kinds of shit. Imagine that. It's horrific. America seems to love communists a lot.
The enemy of my enemy is my temporary ally cause it was decided it would be better to have communists dying fighting Nazis than Americans. This site is indulging way too much historical illiteracy and neo Nazi talking points.
Yes it’s getting worse too. There’s a “great white awakening “ and it’s being pushed by white nationalists taking advantage of the white disenfranchisement. The problem is the WN actually make sense on certain levels, but then twist it with historical misrepresentation that fits their narrative.
After defeating the Nazis Patton wanted to end the commies. He saw the problem and could have ended it there but he was disposed of. They offed him (I’m convinced of this) and communism has infected our country.
What white nationalists never understand and always shy away from is the whole race issue is a thing but not they way they think it is. Marxists push race wars. The current anti white narrative is being pushed by mostly other whites who are Marxist’s. Children have been indoctrinated to believe the black community is repressed by whites and that whites are the enemy.
The only reason this problem exists is because Marxist control the education system.
Free speech is free speech. Sorry, you don't fucking like what real people have to say. That's your problem. Cope.
The people you are talking to are groypers. Look up "groyper army."
Their objective here is to forum slide the site.
They are white nationalists, racists, and anti-semites. Proudly so.
They are their leader Nick Fuentes are hijacking America First for their own agenda.
They do not identify as conservatives. Many are unironically national socialists.
You'll see that in their replies.
Deport them. They are not maga.
White People are Westerns as in they belong in Western Tradition but many other ethnicities make that up.
English people don't consider themselves continental Europeans. So you are wrong. They saw themselves as British but not European.
Yes, we are American Europeans and a lot of our American infrastructure and culture was based on the mother countries of Great Britain and Continental Europe. It's a huge mistake in the way white Americans think in that so many continually seek to disinherit themselves from their own cultural and ethnic heritage. You can acknowledge who you are and what your ethnic heritage is without that making you less American. And yes, we have melded together to form a uniquely American perspective and personality, but that doesn't erase where we came from.
Most crimes and most wars in US history show how stupid it is to pretend that shared melanin means anything for peace. The Civil War claimed more American lives th an the rest combined. Most murders are within racial groups.
There's a difference between "wanting out of Europe the land mass's geopolitics" and "wanting to be nothing like Europeans".
They couldn't really do the latter, their buildings are never going to look like say, Japanese buildings. They're not going to start speaking Swahili. They're not going to convert to Islam just to be different. They're Europeans and they carry with them knowledge, techniques, and traditions. They also carry with them their genes, the abstract record of millions of years of experience, which influences their behavior in fairly subtle ways.
The interplay of these two systems of memory, one extremely high level ("culture" - books, media, traditions, etc) and one extremely low level (genes - the basic survival OS) is what makes a civilization.
It sounds smarter than it actually is
I still don't get what you're even trying to say.
One set of ideas is what you're pushing over another
So you're saying you are also lying about YOUR ideas being "American"?
Dude you're contradicting yourself. I don't get it.
I made a mistake in the wordings.Ideas alone don’t preserve nations.Nationhood,blood,heritage ,traditions and race are more important to a nation than the constitution or laws;a nation can recover from bad politics but it can’t recover its identity if it becomes demographically displaced.
Precisely the reason our enemies, foreign and domestic, and the useful idiots who serve them, are pushing "cancel culture."
European means a lot of things. Are you talking about Europe in general or just Protestant Anglos?
Anglo-Saxon heritage and North-western European ancestry.
You hear that Maryland?! You don't count as an early colony and state and home to the wealthiest signed of the Declaration: a dirty Catholic!!! And you guys from Catholic lands who came and helped us best the Brits, screw off!! And if we hear one more time about Washington going to Mas that monument is yanked! And it turns out Jefferson used the writings of Cardinal Bellarmine so maybe Cancel!!
So we can expel the Jesuits?
For a century and a half, Anglo-Saxons considered Jesuits to be their worst enemy, and it wasn't paranoia. They could and did try to overthrow the Queen, blow up Parliament, back James II's revocation of ancient liberties, etc.
Today they assist with hundreds of Priests and countless Millions of dollars, the influx of Migrants from Central America to the USA via "Casas del Migrantes". Pay for transport, feed them on the way, run hostels at layovers, etc.
I'm Catholic and I'm ok with expelling the Jesuits.
Right on. It was a Catholic that first told me about the Jesuits. Didn't believe him because back then I didn't have a context to put them in.
I just had another guy tell me about his cousin, huge smart guy, completely leftist ideologue with that condescending "You don't understand why we need to guide people" attitude --- and a Jesuit.
We are a nation of people. Just like any other nation. We must do everything in the interest of our people. Even if such actions are to the detriment of other people.
Exactly right.
Well, America is a memory now.
Is why MAGA is so important!!! Once that happens then it’s KAG forever more!!! <3 MAGA2021
MAGA is important but it is still prone to a lot of liberal speak and appeasement.MAGA needs to evolve if we really want to win.
When are we going to admit that the America of yesterday is gone? We are completely inundated by diversity now, America will never return.
America does not need to return to the 1980s or 1950's but we need to salvage what we have or this movement won't ever be effective.
What movement? You don't even agree with maga.
Maga is nationalist, not white ethno-nationalist.
Listen to yourself. You are contradicting your premise in every statement that you make.
Modern liberal policy doesn't work because it is a set of impractical and unrealistic ideas.
Modern liberal policy is failing to hold this nation together.
The implementation of their ideas is disastrous to what the founders intended.
The majority of the people implementing those ideas are white people.
When a white person implements true conservative ideas it makes the nation stronger.
When a black person implements true conservative ideas it makes the nation stronger.
Two walls built separately by a white person and a black person will both be structurally sound when based on the same proven ideas.
Without people implementing nationalist, conservative ideas America will no longer be a nation.
It would be reduced down to nothing more than a name written in the sand.
I'll take what are ideas for 1000, Alex.
The bureaucrats that line the halls of our government institutions are mostly whites, their bosses are mostly whites, the pentagon is ran by mostly whites, media is actually run by mostly whites.
Jews do not populate every nook and cranny of these behemoths. It's white people.
And they, like many of their black, brown, and yellow contemporaries, have adopted liberal commie ideas and policy.
When the people of a nation no longer implement the ideas used in its founding, it becomes that nation in name only.
Much like this site is becoming Trump/MAGA in name only.
There is a thing called merit. It works.
You can have no immigration or hard-line merit based immigration without it being ethno centric.
You can be a nationalist without wanting a white ethnostate.
Many of the legal immigrants who nationalized and assimilated from hispanic countries are the most based, anti-communist Americans around today because they've seen the horrors of it first hand.
They're christian, they love America, capitalism, and Americanism. And they work hard.
One in particular is a colleague of mine. He is the most hardcore conservative I've met. He is willing to physically fight cucks who talk commie shit to him.
I'd take one of them over one hundred soft, larpy, spoiled groyper zoomers any day.
Brilliant. We should trade Americans for more Hispanics....right?
One day you people will learn to argue without using strawmen and false premises.
Wait.. no you won't.
Your friend does not represent the average Hispanic. He sounds exceptional.
Unfortunately his children will likely regress to the mean. They will likely vote for big government as all Hispanic populations do.
I know plenty of white children that do exactly the same.
The difference is life circumstances, and whatever policies that you people are pushing do not take that into account.
Basing everything off of race is an affront to individual liberty and happiness.
You are willing to crush fine and decent people to attain the goal of a white ethnostate.
You are fascists. You are not MAGA. You are a stain on this site.
It can't all be about race but you can't ignore race completely. This country was created for a distinct nation with distinct characteristics. There is no magic dirt, the people make the country. No, it doesn't have to be a 100% pure ethno state but the intended majority in charge was always meant to be English protestants.
Is seems facts make you angry. Your response was purely emotional. Like a woman.
I said nothing of ethnostates, crushing people, or fascism. That all came from your imagination.
Amen. I'm with you. But we have a lot of idiots on this board. They won't wake up and realize it's not 1980.
We've gotta keep trying to convince those blacks and Mexicans and whatevers to vote for Republicans. Even though every year we're inundated with more of them, and we've got illegals voting and election fraud and all that shit. We don't control the media or the schools, but we've got to teach them all to vote Republican. We are so fucked at this point.
Hey girl who has had multiple abortions, vote pro life, please. Hi public school union employee who screws the taxpayers and society, could you vote against your money and easy lifestyle??
Merely sharing melanin levels doesn't mean sharing intellects or privileged colors or interests.
Race isn't about melanin levels. What a weird thing to say. Do you believe that's all it is?
True.
Yes and in 22 years whites will be a minority here... then what
How many white babies have you had?
2 and 1 on the way. Hbu?
You are doing your part my friend so don't worry so much. I'm still working on my first as I just got married last year. I didn't mean my comment as an attack but instead as an example of how to fight back. If we are worried about the number of white people in the future then all of us who are capable need to start making more white people. Good job, you're crushing right now.
I read that as sarcasm.
Convincing them to vote for us isn't gonna work alone, we need to get leftists away from teaching children and go back to teaching useful skills not communist agitation.
If all they see is self hating whites they're gonna learn to hate whites too. It's simple.
Culture isn't entirely bound to skin color but it is partly, for many people (except whites) they stick together based on similar looks and language.
If the left and government lose their grip on minorities and they go back to having a nuclear family etc. it's possible over generations we can get them to vote the same way we do (as a proportion).
Basically we need a long term cultural shift - kinda like how American Jews all vote Dem (except Orthodox who all vote R) meanwhile the corresponding groups of British Jews went from laborites to staunch right wingers over the past 80 years in the UK. Seriously, here the Jewish community votes something like 80% Dem, in the UK 80% vote for the right and have done for some years now - Thatcher had huge Jewish backing and she was as anti communist as they come.
In the US they're trying to keep minorities from waking up to the truth and in other countries too. In France the elites in the Jewish community got concerned their own people were starting to defect from the left to Le Pen (over Islamic migration) so they launched a massive smear campaign to convince them she wanted to have them all deported, it was stupid but it worked.
I think we use something like ...
/s
...for sarcasm.
yeah, apparently, it's needed
SECESSION is the only possibly peaceful path forward.
peaceful secession... hahahahahahahahahaha
Then you've got 2 options - bloody civil war with VERY little support from anyone or collapse into communism and genocide. Look around - most of the red states cucked to the WuFlu and election steal, do you think there's enough people ready to rock when the majority won't truly push back on little nonsense like mask mandates?
Irish were not regarded as White. As late as the 1920s, the NYT was mocking the building of a Cathedral in Hartford, CT as a Den of "Superstition". The KKK of 20s was as worried about Eye-tal-yans almost as much as the Negro.
The idea that all Europeans are White wasn't really a thing until the 40s-50s. Even in the 1960s, politicians would openly refer to Greeks or Sicilians as "Ethnics".
But, we indoctrinated every immigrant kid into 100% Americanism from the moment they arrived.
What happened is that
A) We only took immigrants from the Western Canon
B) We subjected all immigrant kids to extreme pro-American indoctrination in schools.
C) Even when we opened up again to 3rd world immigration in the 60s, it was mostly legal, we got mostly educated people who were heavily Westernized to begin with, and most of them spoke English when they got off the plane for starters. Ex. Doctors from India who started their career in British India and remembered when the Union Jack flew over Mumbai and their Father served in the British Indian Army and their whole education K-12 to Med School was in English learning English History and Western Philosophy the whole way through.
We don't do A, B, and C now. We do the exact opposite:
Instead of mostly European Migrants, and all Immigrants well educated and partially Westernized before arrival, we take Somalian Clan Pirates and Dirt Farmers.
We subject all kids from K to College that "all cultures are equally relevant", that the world is POC vs. Whiteness, in Toxic Masculinity, and that the US was based on Slavery and exploitation. As if the Hoover Dam or the Intercontinental Railroad was made out of Cotton and Indigo by Black Slaves.
We take anybody without vetting, let lots of illegals in, and then brainwash them that the US and the West, philosophically and historically, is the Bad Guy.
America is an idea - one of republicanism, individuality, and freedom.
I agree with you, but it does really seem to conjure to mind the ‘Ship of the Theseus’ concept. I wonder at what point a nation has effectively lost its identity and is no longer itself. How easy would it be to know?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus
America is a Country. With physical borders. With a history of blood and treasure spent creating and sustaining it. Filled with a people who have no other place to go and be refugees and "immigrants" because America is HOME.
No fuck immigrants.
It went from immigrants coming here to start a better life and do good etc
To economical immigrants who come hate us and birth lots of kids cause our government pays them alot.
I fully agree. I'm saying Americans cant go be immigrants anywhere else like the invaders come here to be. Throw them all out.
Made by white western culture
Anglo-Saxon Culture, which is not identical to Continental Culture. The latter has a lot more deference built into it regarding Theories/Systems and Expert-worship of Burgermeisters/Noblemen/Intellectuals over Empiricism and "Plain Horse Sense".
And a desire for a Universal Monarchy under One System which has plagued Europe forever. The EU is just the latest attempt at this, the Holy Roman Empire at various times tried to fit that role.
It was Sartre, and Fanon which started the rot about Third worldism and "Neocolonialism in the Heart".
America is not an idea, asshole. The United States is a nation. Fuck you and your liberal bullshit.
Just drop a constitution anywhere and America will spring up.
Some people here might believe this
Didn’t they try that with Liberia? I might be mistaken.
Just need a little more time and it'll work itself out.
Civnats here still don’t know why they are the biggest joke.
I'm not getting it. Are we being trolled? What is this trying to say?
I think he's saying that a lot (most) conservatives are Civic rather than Ethnic Nationalists.
Right. He wants America to be a white ethnostate.
look up groyper army.
that is what is happening here.
they are sliding the forum.
they are white ethno-nationalists rather than simply nationalists, and they use posts like this to conflate the two.
deport them. they are not maga, they do not like conservatives.
they and their leader nick fuentes have hijacked 'america first" for their own cringe bullshit, and they use very specific tactics to hijack sites like this.
Just because you don't agree with someone's opinion does not make them a shill or someone who is trying to "slide" the forum. I proudly consider myself an ethno nationalist and I have no freaking clue who this Fuentes guy is. There is absolutely nothing wrong with being proud of your genetics, culture, and heritage. There is also nothing wrong with wanting to conserve those things in a nation that was created with those very ideals enshrined in our constitution. Our founders wanted only white people to immigrate which is why they said exactly that. All the way up to the 1940s almost all immigration laws passed restricted it, outside of Lincoln protecting black slaves who were a very small minority. Even after that until the 1960s it was controlled. Our founders restricted immigration to free white persons of good character. We made rules against gays, children, and non whites immigrating to protect our national identity. Our founders dream for this country has been subverted by people like you not the other way around.
https://www.infoplease.com/us/immigration-legislation
the guy you responded to, is having a serious breakdown. This site has shills who want us to still remain attached to civic nationalism even when it is affecting us or not helping the majority of conservatives.
It still amazes me that you people call the original maga pedes here shills when they defend maga on a maga trump site, while you espouse actual fascism and push your white ethnostate agenda (in a coordinated effort, mind you) and even go so far as to condone national socialism.
All of that runs counter to MAGA. You yourself admit that you don't like maga, that you look down on conservatives.
You and your ilk are the shills here.
That's good. Did you know that there is a group called "groypers" lead by Nick Fuentes?
They have a sub on reddit. They match your exact beliefs. Go there.
Your shit doesn't belong here.
It's not MAGA. It's not Trump.
Thats what america was founded on. Did you even look at the link showing the history of our immigration laws? Unlike our country, maga is an idea and it has flaws just like Trump. He is not a God and I have my own opinions. I voted for him twice but if you haven't noticed this site has been renamed patriots.win not maga.win.
If you haven't noticed Trump is still on the header and the rule set is still the same.
Fuck off.
Guys PLEASE KNOW WHAT THE WORDS YOU TRY TO USE ACTUALLY MEAN SO YOU DON'T SOUND RETARDED.
Thanks.
Word sorcery games isn't making your country strong.
It is a nation based upon an idea, instead of a specific ethnic group. The ideas came out of English enlightenment ideals.
Thank you for proving my point.you just said English and English is a ethnic identity.you are more honest than other Civnats.
The idea directly descended from English enlightenment, but isn't isolated to that one group. Although it's primarily English due to England creating the colonies, here.
Calling an idea part of an ethnic group is the same thing the crazy lefties are doing, treating black as a spiritual identity.
Some ideas or traditions have been with people for over a hundred years.people who were in America back then were majorly English.it wasn’t a coincidence that they wanted to implement their ideas that the current British monarchy didn’t want.they just evolved those ideas and suited it to their posterity in a foreign land.
There is a city in south Africa called Oranaia .it is purely Dutch.they act and behave like Europeans completely despite being in a foreign land for a long time.Orania is like a little nation and the defining thing about them is their heritage.they have better outcomes than most cities in South Africa despite the mistreatment by the ANC.
Many of the people in this thread believe in national socialism, a cousin of marxism and a direct descendent of communism.
So identity politics is integral to their worldview.
Once you realize that you will understand why they are making the comments that they make.
DNC/GOPe traitors hate our nation. They consume CCP/nwo ass-juice.
Nationalism is an idea
I don’t want to argue much.it is the idea with the greatest value attached to it; an idea that actually makes sense when people these days are cucked.
Make America Great Again: https://poets.org/poem/let-america-be-america-again
"Who said the free? Not me? Surely not me? The millions on relief today? The millions shot down when we strike? The millions who have nothing for our pay? For all the dreams we’ve dreamed And all the songs we’ve sung And all the hopes we’ve held And all the flags we’ve hung, The millions who have nothing for our pay— Except the dream that’s almost dead today.
O, let America be America again— The land that never has been yet— And yet must be—the land where every man is free. The land that’s mine—the poor man’s, Indian’s, Negro’s, ME— Who made America, Whose sweat and blood, whose faith and pain, Whose hand at the foundry, whose plow in the rain, Must bring back our mighty dream again.
Sure, call me any ugly name you choose— The steel of freedom does not stain. From those who live like leeches on the people’s lives, We must take back our land again, America!
O, yes, I say it plain, America never was America to me, And yet I swear this oath— America will be!
Out of the rack and ruin of our gangster death, The rape and rot of graft, and stealth, and lies, We, the people, must redeem The land, the mines, the plants, the rivers. The mountains and the endless plain— All, all the stretch of these great green states— And make America again!"
---Langston Hughes, "Let America Be America Again!"
So many think a nation is the land it declares its own.
A nation is a group of people. The nation can only survive if it is of a like mind.
just get rid of Bill Gates and a big problem would disappear
Tragedy of the Commons
It's a coordinated effort.
Look up "groyper army."
Their objective here is to forum slide the site and they use very specific tactics to do so.
One of which is to brigade, or maybe even bot, the comment histories of people who call them out.
They've done it to several ppl, and I trolled them into doing it to me yesterday so I could further prove my case.
They are white nationalists, racists, and anti-semites. Proudly so.
They and their leader Nick Fuentes are hijacking America First for their own agenda.
They do not identify as conservatives. Many are unironically national socialists.
You'll see that in their replies.
Deport them. They are not maga.
I'd love to have a place where we could include good people and exclude bad ones. I know this is a vague generalization, but really, I'd rather have the best 10% of blacks and get rid of the worst 10% of whites than have all the white people. Can we create a place that includes good people of all types. No bullshit. No open borders for all the world's garbage to come in. None of that. It would be a place with standards, and if you can't live up to them, you get thrown in prison or deported. If it features mostly white people and a less than 50% of others, I wouldn't care about that either.
Who determines who is good? Those who rise to power or seize it are often times the least trustworthy and will abuse the system. This is why our best option is to limit power and take the prosperity we can get under an imperfect system, that must be imperfect because man is imperfect.
"I prefer dangerous freedom over peaceful slavery" -Thomas Jefferson
This is the fundamental notion of America. You think you want a king to impose law over you, and maybe you get lucky and get a good one, but the future generations will not be so lucky and famine, war and genocide will follow.
White Europeans built this country.
It's a nation dedicated to an idea.
Ideas are bulletproof, unlike traitors.
Transgenderism, gay pride, and central banking are ideas. Do you still like being ruled by Ideas?
Not when the enemy controls the media.
The biggest Lie Americans tell themselves is the 1865 lie that “the preservation of muh precious Union”, Federalized into DC power consolidation, is our goal as a nation, and that 1865 supersedes 1776.
That is the biggest lie we tell ourselves..
Perfect example.
Listen to this cunt.
https://youtu.be/iZEZwje_FUE
Trudeau is a jerk.
He's a traitor.
It's both an idea and a State/body-politic. And obviously the people in it. So that's soil only, not blood and soil
Good post
thanks.
OP is right you know
Most conservatives that I know are very much into nationalism. I'm sure there are many out there who aren't but the majority of conservatives id say are. Could be wrong so don't get your panties in a wad over this please.
Why conservatives are doomed to fail: one cannot fight to preserve a nation while denying the paramount importance distinct identity that founded it.
America was founded by Christian Europeans and pretending that doesn’t matter is why we have lost so much ground.
Based.
That's not the worst lie they tell themselves and all of us. The worst lie, and one that Globalists, Conservatives and Republicans alike spout regularly with a gleam in their eyes as they expect to be praised and applauded for it, is that "AMERICA IS A BUSINESS".
NO, MY HOME IS NOT YOUR BUSINESS VENTURE, NOT A CORPORATE ENTITY THAT JUST EXISTS TO MAKE A FEW PEOPLE RICH. IT'S MY HOME AND MY NATION AND MY HERITAGE. STOP SAYING AMERICA IS A BUSINESS AND THEREFORE SHOULD BE RUN LIKE A BUSINESS. I DON'T WANT TO LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF NIKE OR WOKE-A-COLA.
Deep
This is retarded.
America, unlike every nation before it or since, was founded on specific ideas which made it great.
The ideas this country was founded on are simply without precedent. It is false to say America has a “European core identity”. There is nothing “European” about the founding of America, in fact it was one of the most anti-European acts in human history.
Cuckservatives like to think that America is the result of fidelity to our ancestors or that it is a “conservative” achievement. Far from it. America is the result of a complete, radical rejection of tradition and the full embrace of individual freedom. True progressivism if the word was ever meant to mean anything rational.
All other nations of the world have land mass, resources, traditions etc. What sets America apart is the ideas it was founded on. These ideas are important and need to be protected, not because some retarded tRaDiTion or duty to our aNcEsTorS but because the ideas are true.
Ps: mystics and cuckservatives who get triggered by this can suck a dick.
Do you think that all the founders being British and protestant was just a coincidence? Have you ever heard of British common law?
Pretty sure their fascination with enlightenment thinkers is a more dominant and common feature among the founders.
Some of the founders despised the supernaturalism and mysticism of Christianity so much they literally cut it out of the Bible.
Look up Jefferson Bible.
Ok so you are kinda retarded, got it. What did the founders intend when they wrote about austerity? You really think that the founders created this country for people like Chuck Schumer, Ilhan Omar, and Kamala Harris? Also, if you want to talk about Jefferson and religion, did you know that he used Islam and sharia law to help create the American system?
Jefferson despised Islam.
He believed that the Quran was completely incompatible with Americanism.
If you believe that he condoned Islam or Sharia law then you have been tricked by leftist propaganda.
Seriously though, it took one search to find out that you are wrong and that's without having to do the deep deep digging for hidden information. Jefferson did not despise Islam, he had a tremendous respect for Islam.
Good for you for searching for a few minutes.
I've read entire books.
And yet, here you are, still wrong.
I just believe Thomas Jefferson and what he said and the Quran that he had in his personal library.
I have noticed this site has gone way downhill lately and is about as bad as Reddit this days. Is all just woke virtue signaling, Diversity is our strength, pro-gay, negro loving, LGBTQ supporting faggotry all over. Even bunch of retards who support the British royal family all over smh. Boomers need to gtfo and take their Q retardation back to Facebook.
Your second point was good but your first point was wrong.American founding fathers,laws,traditions and most of its history has involved a white majority population.it is stupid to ignore this.
Liberia has our constitution.many Liberians also have some of our mythos but they haven’t succeeded.ideas alone don’t establish or maintain a nation.The Jews never had a country for a long time but we all knew what the Jewish nation was,and it wasn’t bunch of ideas.
This is where the cuckservatives go full retard and actually remind me a lot of the racists progressives.
You might not have purple hair and you are probably not confused about what gender you are, but like the commie scum destroying the country you too place unwarranted significance on people’s racial origins and heritage.
America did not succeed like it did because of “white majorities”, and we have plenty of examples of countries with white majorities that did not achieve half the things America achieved.
That’s because you, like the commie scum you think you despise, dont realize that he defining feature of the American founding were specific ideas involving the nature and source of rights.
It had nothing whatsoever to do with race. It’s a shame you and the commie scum in this country do not understand that simple point. You are keeping America from being great again.
Fuck you and fuck the racist commies you agree with.
Please go and reread American history and the sentiments of America during WW2.Your statement lacks so much sense .
Whites and other races are different to a large extent.They think ,act and Interact differently.these differences would make them bring different nations according to the ways they interact with environment.
White Americans have one of the best mixtures of white identities across the world and old anglo-saxon traditions which we modified to suit us and help us out.ignoring our European heritage is stupid even if we surpassed lot of the European countries.the commies plan to destroy America while I plan to preserve the history ,traditions and roots of America; things you don’t want to do.
“Whites and other races are different to a large extent.They think ,act and Interact differently.these differences would make them bring different nations according to the ways they interact with environment”
See? There you go again, you sound exactly like a purple haired lesbian man.
No, race is not a defining or predictive characteristic. It doesn’t help you define a person or even predict their behavior.
Yes, different groups achieve different levels of success and make different choices, groups will not succeed at similar rates. Not sure why progressives expect equality of outcome, but perhaps you can help us understand that. Also, whites are not even at the top of the achievement totem pole. To suggest that because Asians outperform whites that therefore their culture is superior is stupid and false.
Finally, you cannot defend or preserve something you don’t understand. You clearly do not understand America if you think race played any role whatsoever. You have more in common with the commies than the patriots. You should start a eugenics club with them or something.
Asians succeed because they are a civilized race and they also don’t have time to play political Correctness games except when they know how to game it on their favor.Asians are not bombarded with white guilt but they would use white guilt if they see that it will be useful to them.
You are trying to move goalposts without realizing how stupid you sound.The race or tribe played a huge part in what they achieved.you can give Somalians or Japanese American constitution and you would see different results when you come back in the next 60 years.Liberia has our ideas(constitution);it is a shithole.Somalia has free gun ownership;it is still a shithole.After USA,European countries are the next when you consider gun ownership and gun right laws.
We are special but let’s stop thinking in this liberal or globalist framework called civic nationalism.civic nationalism has failed continuously.
Yeah, its deliberatepy designed to be quantitative and scientific to the point of meaninglessness. If you debase your nation to that point, it aint worth fighting for.
This is as dumb as the "behold! A man!" Argument from Diogenes.
Conservatives have dumbed nationhood.