Well, most of the human trials are being done. As in: right now. There was no way they could formulate a vaccine, test it correctly on animals then test it correctly on humans and have it be in circulation a couple of months ago. Even Pfizer stated that they are currently in phase three of testing at this point in time. There's also no way any short or medium term studies have been done since there just hasn't been enough time elapsed. Very short term, ok. But that's mostly reactions from the injection. I'm no anti-vaxxer as far as long-utilized vaccines are concerned, but there's no way I'm taking a mostly untested vaccine for this questionable virus. I have pretty severe cardiac issues. I'm more concerned about the vaccine than I am about the wuflu. I'll wait to see what happens to the pool of people with similar issues as me before I even remotely think about getting the vaccine. Besides, if everyone else gets the vaccine (and it works), then herd immunity should be a thing and I won't have to worry about it anyway.
That's what I thought. When you say "trials are done for human" doesn't mean that the trails are done in a way that it should normally done. The vaccines may be still very dangerous because it has not examined any long-terms (side) effect that they do for other vaccines/medicines. I knew it has to be something about "semantics" both sides play to use because it has to be.
When Eli Lilly went through the human trial on Thimerosal, all 27 patients died within 30 days, but you may say "Thirmerosal has gone through trials on human".
In the case of Covid vaccine, it is ingenious to say that vaccines have been on human trials because that doesn't mean that it's safe. I think they are the ones who try to deceive with semantics.
As I posted in another comment here, animal testing was done on both vaccines in Phase 1 testing. Both vaccines are currently in Phase 3 trials, which are expanded trials that last several years to gather more data.
They are part of one phase of the testing, yes. As already stated numerous times, special exceptions were given to rush the vaccine forward with some tests being done in parallel, like the animal testing in phase 1, as well as launching before all phases were fully complete so that we weren't waiting years for a vaccine under what were claimed to be extenuating circumstances.
None of this was concealed or is secret or nefarious news. It's all been right out there in the open the whole time for anyone to see.
So the point was that the OP lied about the animal testing part, which doesn't inspire confidence in the rest of their point when they're so ignorant of (or dishonest about) basic facts of the matter at hand.
And you're implying--for Christ only knows what reason (though I suppose today we could ask)--that the phase 3 trial component of an NDA is cursory and optional. Why tho
I was pointing out that OP lied. Animal testing was done early one in phase 1. Whether or not we're part of phase 3 now is an entirely different question, and one that was answered the whole time. The government granted exemption from full testing in order to rush the vaccine out in what was seen as an extenuating circumstance of a growing pandemic.
You can argue with whether or not you feel it was necessary, but don't lie and pretend animal testing wasn't done, or that there weren't clearly stated public reasons for why the vaccines were rushed through testing and released while still in phase 3 trials etc.
What that covid is a new class of virus born illness, has been around for over a year, has had a few variations, won't go away for a vaccine (mRNA genetic viral treatment) for what is most likely the original strand, they're already talking about a 4th wave.
Covid like the flu is here to stay this vaccine is too little too late.
I get people say that animal testing has been done, human testing has been done no problem argument. Can you educate me on that? Why do they say it?
Well, most of the human trials are being done. As in: right now. There was no way they could formulate a vaccine, test it correctly on animals then test it correctly on humans and have it be in circulation a couple of months ago. Even Pfizer stated that they are currently in phase three of testing at this point in time. There's also no way any short or medium term studies have been done since there just hasn't been enough time elapsed. Very short term, ok. But that's mostly reactions from the injection. I'm no anti-vaxxer as far as long-utilized vaccines are concerned, but there's no way I'm taking a mostly untested vaccine for this questionable virus. I have pretty severe cardiac issues. I'm more concerned about the vaccine than I am about the wuflu. I'll wait to see what happens to the pool of people with similar issues as me before I even remotely think about getting the vaccine. Besides, if everyone else gets the vaccine (and it works), then herd immunity should be a thing and I won't have to worry about it anyway.
That's what I thought. When you say "trials are done for human" doesn't mean that the trails are done in a way that it should normally done. The vaccines may be still very dangerous because it has not examined any long-terms (side) effect that they do for other vaccines/medicines. I knew it has to be something about "semantics" both sides play to use because it has to be.
When Eli Lilly went through the human trial on Thimerosal, all 27 patients died within 30 days, but you may say "Thirmerosal has gone through trials on human".
In the case of Covid vaccine, it is ingenious to say that vaccines have been on human trials because that doesn't mean that it's safe. I think they are the ones who try to deceive with semantics.
As I posted in another comment here, animal testing was done on both vaccines in Phase 1 testing. Both vaccines are currently in Phase 3 trials, which are expanded trials that last several years to gather more data.
https://apnews.com/article/fact-checking-afs:Content:9792931264
The OP has zero idea what they're talking about and is just posting antivaxxer propaganda.
So it'll be several years before there are test results, yet they're giving it out to people anyway? Then those people are the test.
They are part of one phase of the testing, yes. As already stated numerous times, special exceptions were given to rush the vaccine forward with some tests being done in parallel, like the animal testing in phase 1, as well as launching before all phases were fully complete so that we weren't waiting years for a vaccine under what were claimed to be extenuating circumstances.
None of this was concealed or is secret or nefarious news. It's all been right out there in the open the whole time for anyone to see.
So the point was that the OP lied about the animal testing part, which doesn't inspire confidence in the rest of their point when they're so ignorant of (or dishonest about) basic facts of the matter at hand.
And you're implying--for Christ only knows what reason (though I suppose today we could ask)--that the phase 3 trial component of an NDA is cursory and optional. Why tho
Never did.
I was pointing out that OP lied. Animal testing was done early one in phase 1. Whether or not we're part of phase 3 now is an entirely different question, and one that was answered the whole time. The government granted exemption from full testing in order to rush the vaccine out in what was seen as an extenuating circumstance of a growing pandemic.
You can argue with whether or not you feel it was necessary, but don't lie and pretend animal testing wasn't done, or that there weren't clearly stated public reasons for why the vaccines were rushed through testing and released while still in phase 3 trials etc.
Thanks for being a test subject!
No problem. Thanks for missing the point. :)
What that covid is a new class of virus born illness, has been around for over a year, has had a few variations, won't go away for a vaccine (mRNA genetic viral treatment) for what is most likely the original strand, they're already talking about a 4th wave.
Covid like the flu is here to stay this vaccine is too little too late.