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Godfrey_of_Bouillon 6 points ago +8 / -2

And the engineers that designed the tractor. The massive industrial complexes and commercial networks to both mine, refine, manufacture and assemble the various components that go into the machine. Not to mention the seperate systems in place for the fuel, human support, etc. Now if it was some. Dudes just out their waste deep with some shovels that may be a bit different

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CanadianTrump 6 points ago +7 / -1

Nah. Op was fair. If you removed everything you mentioned, you would also have to bring the boat to the same level and at that point shoves would likely also have worked.

The world was not waiting for caterpillar to dig it out but someone.

If guns don’t kill people, and they don’t, the shovels don’t free ships, people do.

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Godfrey_of_Bouillon -1 points ago +2 / -3

"shovels would've also worked"

Yeah so would using a different blue collar worker. The ability to replace the variable in question doesn't negate it's role in the situation. And the gun argument has to do with motivations.

The person may have killed someone and not the gun... But he still relied on the gun, and the entire industry around it.

Same as this situation being one that relies on an entire industry and not simply one individual, except for the positive

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Blue_Country_Refugee 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yah I dont think many people have your second order thinking. Imagine if that equipment was provided by a design, manufacturing, and supply chain that was 99% white but it just so happened to be a black woman operating it that day. BLM posts the same meme and it says "10% of the worlds economy depended on "Black Girl Magic."

They'd pretty quickly understand your logic as.you would have pierced through to the lizard brain.