That's not the point. Forget Crimea. That's just an example. It doesn't matter that Crimea wanted to join Russia. It matters that Ukraine freaked out about it and the Biden/Obama talked such a big game about defending Ukraine's sovereignty but did fuck all about it. Biden spent the whole 2020 election cycle smearing Trump as a puppet of Putin and saying Trump withheld aid to the Ukraine (they impeached Trump over it, remember), but when push comes to shove, Biden is all talk.
That's my point. The crimean people are free to join Russia on their own accord. But Biden doesnt get a pass to slander his political opponent (who did far more to defend Ukraine than Obama ever did) as a Russian stooge while being such a pushover himself. That was my only point.
that's what makes the issue so stupid. Over here in America we are having a pissing contest to see which side can do the wrong thing first. Why do American politicians have to prove their medal by competing to who can fuck over Russia the most for no fucking reason other than fucking over Russia makes you look good in the eyes of a bunch of REd Scare Russophobes that use Russia as a scape goat boogey man that is the cause of All our problems sniff sniff. Russia Russia Russia., What did they ever do to us ? think about it
I agree with your point here. With Trump, he was at least supplying Ukraine to maintain the territory it actually legitimately holds. Obama/Biden were bitching about Crimea purely for optics and it mostly picked up in the 2016 election cycle because Trump was viewed as somewhat friendly to Russia.
That's not to say Russia hasn't done stuff to us. They've hit us with a few cyber attacks. We also generally have some competing interests with Russia that could have us stepping on each others toes in the future. But ever since Trump, the demand to be anti-Russia has been far over-inflated. I remember when Romney got dinged by Obama in 2012 for having "outdated cold-war thinking" for saying Russia is a threat to the US. I remember when Clinton sold out uranium to Russia. I remember when Obama promised Russia "more flexibility" after the 2012 election. Russia, is frankly the geopolitical step-child issue of US foreign policy debate. Up until 2016, we were dating to look at Russia in terms of increasingly normalized ties. Frankly, the political left was willing to sacrifice all that to smear Trump, and the Neocon right went along with it because they hate Trump. And Trump acquiesced somewhat to it, so as to not upset some of his necessary political allyships.
Russia won't start WW3. They'll just annex Donbas Ukraine because the last time Biden was in the white house, they got crimea without a fuss.
Again Crimea voted to rejoin Russia. It was Crimeas choice
That's not the point. Forget Crimea. That's just an example. It doesn't matter that Crimea wanted to join Russia. It matters that Ukraine freaked out about it and the Biden/Obama talked such a big game about defending Ukraine's sovereignty but did fuck all about it. Biden spent the whole 2020 election cycle smearing Trump as a puppet of Putin and saying Trump withheld aid to the Ukraine (they impeached Trump over it, remember), but when push comes to shove, Biden is all talk.
That's my point. The crimean people are free to join Russia on their own accord. But Biden doesnt get a pass to slander his political opponent (who did far more to defend Ukraine than Obama ever did) as a Russian stooge while being such a pushover himself. That was my only point.
that's what makes the issue so stupid. Over here in America we are having a pissing contest to see which side can do the wrong thing first. Why do American politicians have to prove their medal by competing to who can fuck over Russia the most for no fucking reason other than fucking over Russia makes you look good in the eyes of a bunch of REd Scare Russophobes that use Russia as a scape goat boogey man that is the cause of All our problems sniff sniff. Russia Russia Russia., What did they ever do to us ? think about it
I agree with your point here. With Trump, he was at least supplying Ukraine to maintain the territory it actually legitimately holds. Obama/Biden were bitching about Crimea purely for optics and it mostly picked up in the 2016 election cycle because Trump was viewed as somewhat friendly to Russia.
That's not to say Russia hasn't done stuff to us. They've hit us with a few cyber attacks. We also generally have some competing interests with Russia that could have us stepping on each others toes in the future. But ever since Trump, the demand to be anti-Russia has been far over-inflated. I remember when Romney got dinged by Obama in 2012 for having "outdated cold-war thinking" for saying Russia is a threat to the US. I remember when Clinton sold out uranium to Russia. I remember when Obama promised Russia "more flexibility" after the 2012 election. Russia, is frankly the geopolitical step-child issue of US foreign policy debate. Up until 2016, we were dating to look at Russia in terms of increasingly normalized ties. Frankly, the political left was willing to sacrifice all that to smear Trump, and the Neocon right went along with it because they hate Trump. And Trump acquiesced somewhat to it, so as to not upset some of his necessary political allyships.