I don't think the text supports this. In all three passages, it's talking about how good and evil will be rewarded to anyone whether they be Jew or Gentile. It's not saying both groups will share the same fate in all future events.
Romans 1:16 NASB
For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 2:9-11 NASB
There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek,
but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [11] For there is no partiality with God.
Frankly, it's just a guess, but it's not a random guess. I agree it is not explicitly implied in Scripture that this is coming, but it is not dismissable either. This course for reward and punishment is stipulated, but it doesn't mean any time something bad happens to the Jews that it will happen to the Gentiles next always. Or for good. The stipulation seems to imply this is the case, however, when it is a judgement from God as it pertains to a similar expectation God has for either party.
So, when I consider if the Holocaust was a punishment or just political/ideological happenstance, I think the former makes more sense, or at least, is a co-equal factor. It feels like it was a judgement. It also preceded the 6 day war, which was a success for Israel. And this follows the pattern of Israel,- they fall away, God corrects them harshly, and they fix themselves. Then repeat.
Now, in our modern time, we might see such punishment as too severe, but if you know the Old Testament, you know there are plenty of times when a simple error or character weakness, leads to harsh punishment. This is because, I think, God simply will not abide certain failings (in a nutshell). And the fact that most everyone would see the Holocaust as too severe if it was a punishment judgement also suggests we won't see it coming upon us. Compare early America with today and consider if there has been a falling away from Godly morality and principles. Obviously, that's the case, but we are going full bore still with no letting up in sight.
This is not an attack against you. I am Christian as well. Take this next question in the context of my last question. And also not that for political persecution I will fight with every fiber of my being, but under persecution of my faith I feel differently. Are you afraid to die?
I agree. And I'm not worried, though I think my posts might come off as somewhat frantic. I'm just trying to sound an alarm. So, in a sense, yes, I am trying to scare people. But not necessarily into fighting some revolution, but preparing their lives before they go before God.
Then forgive me, I misunderstood your post. Seemed a bit black pillish. See you in the hereafter, we both know it may not be far off. Prayers and blessings. Godspeed pede
Would you be afraid to confess your faith with the knowledge of potential pain, any potential pain, as the coat of knowing eternity in the embrace of God Himself?
I feel like it's the only way I would want to die. For holding to faith in Jesus Christ. Or saving the life of someone else. In the face of torture, I have to say it would be for the same purposes.
Let me ask you something. What is your take on the Theory of Evolution? Do you accept it as it's presented? Long-ages, common-ancestry. . . all of that?
I don't think the text supports this. In all three passages, it's talking about how good and evil will be rewarded to anyone whether they be Jew or Gentile. It's not saying both groups will share the same fate in all future events.
Romans 1:16 NASB For I am not ashamed of the gospel, for it is the power of God for salvation to everyone who believes, to the Jew first and also to the Greek.
Romans 2:9-11 NASB There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good, to the Jew first and also to the Greek. [11] For there is no partiality with God.
Frankly, it's just a guess, but it's not a random guess. I agree it is not explicitly implied in Scripture that this is coming, but it is not dismissable either. This course for reward and punishment is stipulated, but it doesn't mean any time something bad happens to the Jews that it will happen to the Gentiles next always. Or for good. The stipulation seems to imply this is the case, however, when it is a judgement from God as it pertains to a similar expectation God has for either party.
So, when I consider if the Holocaust was a punishment or just political/ideological happenstance, I think the former makes more sense, or at least, is a co-equal factor. It feels like it was a judgement. It also preceded the 6 day war, which was a success for Israel. And this follows the pattern of Israel,- they fall away, God corrects them harshly, and they fix themselves. Then repeat.
Now, in our modern time, we might see such punishment as too severe, but if you know the Old Testament, you know there are plenty of times when a simple error or character weakness, leads to harsh punishment. This is because, I think, God simply will not abide certain failings (in a nutshell). And the fact that most everyone would see the Holocaust as too severe if it was a punishment judgement also suggests we won't see it coming upon us. Compare early America with today and consider if there has been a falling away from Godly morality and principles. Obviously, that's the case, but we are going full bore still with no letting up in sight.
Are you a Christian?
Yes.
This is not an attack against you. I am Christian as well. Take this next question in the context of my last question. And also not that for political persecution I will fight with every fiber of my being, but under persecution of my faith I feel differently. Are you afraid to die?
I'm afraid of the pain or the feeling of however it comes.
Fear is healthy. You're not alone in that. But a reward worth gaining is a reward worth the price.
I agree. And I'm not worried, though I think my posts might come off as somewhat frantic. I'm just trying to sound an alarm. So, in a sense, yes, I am trying to scare people. But not necessarily into fighting some revolution, but preparing their lives before they go before God.
Then forgive me, I misunderstood your post. Seemed a bit black pillish. See you in the hereafter, we both know it may not be far off. Prayers and blessings. Godspeed pede
Would you be afraid to confess your faith with the knowledge of potential pain, any potential pain, as the coat of knowing eternity in the embrace of God Himself?
I feel like it's the only way I would want to die. For holding to faith in Jesus Christ. Or saving the life of someone else. In the face of torture, I have to say it would be for the same purposes.
Same fren. Or peacefully in my sleep. But that is for God to decide.
Let me ask you something. What is your take on the Theory of Evolution? Do you accept it as it's presented? Long-ages, common-ancestry. . . all of that?
We are in Hitlers wet dream.
Oh another hoaxocaust promoter
They love spreading disinformation.They know people see right through their lies .