The key here is economies of scale. Every economic system has a point of no recovery or the inverse. The problem is you cannot tell when you are over that cusp.
There is going to come a time for us when we are unstoppable. When our parallel economy is just large enough that the sheer momentum of it cannot be stopped, we will reach dangerous success. The danger is that it will make us lazy.
President Trump had that opportunity many times. He has that opportunity now. He can start calling us into action, he can mobilize 80 million people, probably more. He could be a greater catalyst for postive change outside of government than he was inside.
We'll see how his social media venture turns out, his problem is Jared, Ivanka and the rest of that retarded crew. They are all democrats and leftists and are steering the good President away from us.
// EDIT, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT I WRITE LIKE SHIT: Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas today issued a rulling to vacate the previous supreme joke ruling that President Trump COULD NOT block users on Twitter and he issued a bunch of statements around that stating that section 230 protections for websites are unconstitutional, that websites can be turned into public goods via turning them into some sort of common carrier nonsense, and various bullshittery like that. I thought this guy was legit, but like the rest of the supreme joke, time has swiss cheezed his brain.
Judge Clarence Thomas is wrong: if private property rights exist, AND I BELIEVE 100% IN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, then the government CANNOT confiscate your property and make it a public good. Private property is what allows you to have autonomy over your freedom of associations. No property right, anyone can walk on to your lawn and FREELY ASSOCIATE WITH YOU. Property rights + 2a, you got a damn good conversation starter.
Full stop.
Yes, monopolies. Yes, common carrier. There are arguments on both sides, don't assume you can argue successfully against private property rights in either case.
However, just listen the the beauty of a mental turd that Tim just laid down in that fucking video. You want to know how we have big government, inefficient government, rules that don't make any sense, so many laws that there are NEW STARTUPS BEING VENTURE FUNDED WHOSE SOLE BUSINESS PLAN IS TO OFFER TO READ THE LAW FOR YOU SO YOU CAN RUN YOUR BUSINESS. I swear to god, this is a thing now.
If you EVER wondered how we got into this mess? Tim mother fucking Pool and morons like him that are JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST fucking smart enough to not understand how fucking stupid they are.
The SINGLE THING that is accelerating alt tech, alt alt tech and waking our people out of their fucking 100 year stupor is PRIVATE COMPANY CENSORSHIP. Everyone fucking bitches about it, but we wouldn't have Gab, .WIN, Odyssey and all the other amazing stuff growing at a fraction of the rate if it wasn't for those fucking idiots kicking our people in the ass and FORCING THEM TO LIVE BY THEIR PRINCIPLES.
We are in this hell because everyone is too lazy even to hang on to the simples and clearest of all principles: private property.
I wasn't really sure if Tim Pool was just playing it smart by kinda sitting on the fence, but, like all of our own bullshit (my self included), we all get found out.
Big tech was and is funded by the US gov. They have no private property rights since tax payers subsidize them. Let’s also not forget section 230 only applies to the big boys. This is an artificial barrier put in place by the gov to make it cost prohibitive to launch a competitor due to the need for the massive manpower required to not get your ass sued into the ground when zuck or osama bin Jack hire an army of trolls to spam cp
Most of big tech is funded by your retirement funds and other investment funds, NOT, the government.
They have government contracts, public and secret ones, but the rality here is:
YOU are funding big tech through your IRA, mutual funds, teachers retirement plans and so forth.
Big tech is making big profits. Their profits are not from free money from government, they are from business activity as a result of a large amount of investment being sunk into them by many many many groups. If I open up a 2 man graphic design firm and my main contracts are with local governments that account for 75% of my business, that doesn't make me publicly funded nor make my private property subject to expropriation by government.
What you just wrote is what communists believe and what they did to Russia in the late 1800s, eastern europe and china in the early 1900s and want to do here.
Please consider carefully your position on this.
You either have the right to your property, or you don't. There is no such thing as "you can own your house but one day the government can decide that your neighbour can move in on sundays because you mowe his lawn".
Wrong, big tech was birthed by government. As public companies now you might own shares in them through your IRA etc but their birth and their size were directly helped by government and now protected by government
I also neglected to mention that what we know of as Facebook was made by darpa and handed over to zuck to rebrand. If the US gov entirely funds and has input into development of something, it’s a public utility and strict 1A etc apply on that system
What the fuck are you talking about? Face book was a shitty php script hacked together but idiot college kids. The only redeeming feature was that it had a login page at first and was restricted to Harvard students at first (where did Zuck go to uni?).
Their first 500k in investment was from Peter Thiel.
Oh go fuck your self. I'm in the fucking industry. DARPA and related ministries funded OpenBSD and whole fucking shitload of FREE TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS GIVEN AWAY TO THE FUCKING WORLD. DARPA literally create the fucking internet THAT EVERYONE USES FOR FREE.
You cannot be this fucking stupid?
Oh, wait.
I know you. You are one of those fucking Q people.
Okay, since you are too stupid to understand insults, let's try your Q bullshit: show me SINGLE DOCUMENT that shows private, public or other FUNDING of big tech that is NOT CONSIDERED INVESTMENT.
So? It's a service contract. CIA, NSA, FBI buy shit from Boeing, Northrop and all kinds of places.
Does the government get to take over Boeing? Northrop?
Your fucking HYDRO and ELECTRICITY are directly subsidized by government contracts, grants and r&d including huge amounts of research into nuclear and more recently fusion (hopefully that comes up soon as a positive). Does the government get to make your fucking house a public commodity?
DARPA paid for the invention of the internet that you are using now including most of the technologies it runs on (unix, fibreoptics, et al). ALL FINANCED BY GOVERNEMENT RESEARCH GRANTS AND CONTRACTS.
Does the governement get to take that too?
You are a fucking communist. Your head is stuck so far up your arse you can't tell what is a grant, what is a support contract nor do you have any clue what it means to have a business, get some grants, win some contracts, make contacts, build relationships, sell some stuff.
Ever own a business? Ever do business with government? How'd that work out for you?
Because, if you did business with a western government, it went pretty fucking well for you BECAUSE THEY RESPECT PROPERTY RIGHTS ENSHRINED INTO THE CORE OF WESTERN CIVILIATION.
For anyone reading the parts between me and the Q contingent:
Communists and those that unironically end up support communist perspectives because they know so little about how certain parts of the world work make me really angry.
It makes me angry because these Q people are all lovely people, all people that mean well and want to help. But don't know how and bumble about and end up supporting fucking nonsense like Tim Pool that keep on eroding our rights. We need all hands on deck and we need our rights to keep on getting strong and stronger. That is the direction that things need to start moving in.
As well, while I went all Hulk Smash because ... I mean c'mon. We can't be EVER arguing on the right that the government can extinguish property rights.
The other takeway for everyone here is JUST HOW EASILY COMMUNIST IDEAS CAN SNEAK IN if you don't pay attention. Even people like the Q guys here fall for this bullshit. They are lovely people that want to help, but holy fuck.
We cannot allow property rights to ever be diminished. Property rights mus be faught for and must be strengthened for everyone.
Even our enemies. Just like with free speech, if our enemies don't have free speech, neither do we. If our enemies don't have the PROPERTY RIGHTS to kick us off of their land or their websites, THE WE WON'THAVE THE RIGHTS TO KICK THEM OFF OUR LAND OR WEBSITES.
Freedom of thought.
Freedom of speech.
Freedom of association.
Property rights.
The right to bear arms.
These are the rights, in my opinion, that allow us to get together, work together and keep our selves free.
Communism is insidious. It fucking always works the same: 50 or 100 intellectuals that know what is going on convince 1000 fanatical followers to follow them. These fanatical followers then convince people like the Q fellow I was arguing with that something like "governement should seize private property because secret funding hur durr" sounds nice and bam.
You hit critical mass and you get communist Europe.
Know how to fight big tech? More Heemeyers and Warners of the world finding their fucking data centers
B.I.N.G.O.
The key here is economies of scale. Every economic system has a point of no recovery or the inverse. The problem is you cannot tell when you are over that cusp.
There is going to come a time for us when we are unstoppable. When our parallel economy is just large enough that the sheer momentum of it cannot be stopped, we will reach dangerous success. The danger is that it will make us lazy.
President Trump had that opportunity many times. He has that opportunity now. He can start calling us into action, he can mobilize 80 million people, probably more. He could be a greater catalyst for postive change outside of government than he was inside.
We'll see how his social media venture turns out, his problem is Jared, Ivanka and the rest of that retarded crew. They are all democrats and leftists and are steering the good President away from us.
Remember, in a society of retards. People look up to the one that has a camera.
Because talking head retard is smrt and we must consume.
// EDIT, BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN POINTED OUT I WRITE LIKE SHIT: Supreme Court Judge Clarence Thomas today issued a rulling to vacate the previous supreme joke ruling that President Trump COULD NOT block users on Twitter and he issued a bunch of statements around that stating that section 230 protections for websites are unconstitutional, that websites can be turned into public goods via turning them into some sort of common carrier nonsense, and various bullshittery like that. I thought this guy was legit, but like the rest of the supreme joke, time has swiss cheezed his brain.
Original links from earlier today on here: https://patriots.win/p/12i48aw278/justice-clarence-thomas-says-big/c/
Judge Clarence Thomas is wrong: if private property rights exist, AND I BELIEVE 100% IN PRIVATE PROPERTY RIGHTS, then the government CANNOT confiscate your property and make it a public good. Private property is what allows you to have autonomy over your freedom of associations. No property right, anyone can walk on to your lawn and FREELY ASSOCIATE WITH YOU. Property rights + 2a, you got a damn good conversation starter.
Full stop.
Yes, monopolies. Yes, common carrier. There are arguments on both sides, don't assume you can argue successfully against private property rights in either case.
However, just listen the the beauty of a mental turd that Tim just laid down in that fucking video. You want to know how we have big government, inefficient government, rules that don't make any sense, so many laws that there are NEW STARTUPS BEING VENTURE FUNDED WHOSE SOLE BUSINESS PLAN IS TO OFFER TO READ THE LAW FOR YOU SO YOU CAN RUN YOUR BUSINESS. I swear to god, this is a thing now.
If you EVER wondered how we got into this mess? Tim mother fucking Pool and morons like him that are JUUUUUUUUUUUUUUST fucking smart enough to not understand how fucking stupid they are.
The SINGLE THING that is accelerating alt tech, alt alt tech and waking our people out of their fucking 100 year stupor is PRIVATE COMPANY CENSORSHIP. Everyone fucking bitches about it, but we wouldn't have Gab, .WIN, Odyssey and all the other amazing stuff growing at a fraction of the rate if it wasn't for those fucking idiots kicking our people in the ass and FORCING THEM TO LIVE BY THEIR PRINCIPLES.
We are in this hell because everyone is too lazy even to hang on to the simples and clearest of all principles: private property.
I wasn't really sure if Tim Pool was just playing it smart by kinda sitting on the fence, but, like all of our own bullshit (my self included), we all get found out.
We just found out Tim Pool.
What a faggot.
Big tech was and is funded by the US gov. They have no private property rights since tax payers subsidize them. Let’s also not forget section 230 only applies to the big boys. This is an artificial barrier put in place by the gov to make it cost prohibitive to launch a competitor due to the need for the massive manpower required to not get your ass sued into the ground when zuck or osama bin Jack hire an army of trolls to spam cp
I have a slightly different perspective.
Most of big tech is funded by your retirement funds and other investment funds, NOT, the government.
They have government contracts, public and secret ones, but the rality here is:
YOU are funding big tech through your IRA, mutual funds, teachers retirement plans and so forth.
Big tech is making big profits. Their profits are not from free money from government, they are from business activity as a result of a large amount of investment being sunk into them by many many many groups. If I open up a 2 man graphic design firm and my main contracts are with local governments that account for 75% of my business, that doesn't make me publicly funded nor make my private property subject to expropriation by government.
What you just wrote is what communists believe and what they did to Russia in the late 1800s, eastern europe and china in the early 1900s and want to do here.
Please consider carefully your position on this.
You either have the right to your property, or you don't. There is no such thing as "you can own your house but one day the government can decide that your neighbour can move in on sundays because you mowe his lawn".
Right?
Wrong, big tech was birthed by government. As public companies now you might own shares in them through your IRA etc but their birth and their size were directly helped by government and now protected by government
Do you even know how anything works?
Okay, let's play your fucking game. WHAT DID GOVERNMENT DO TO BIRTH BIG TECH?
Go.
I fucking dare you to try and make this argument. I want everyone to see this.
A few hundred million dollars of darpa funds and an undisclosed amount of black budget funds ongoing under the agreement of data sharing
I also neglected to mention that what we know of as Facebook was made by darpa and handed over to zuck to rebrand. If the US gov entirely funds and has input into development of something, it’s a public utility and strict 1A etc apply on that system
What the fuck are you talking about? Face book was a shitty php script hacked together but idiot college kids. The only redeeming feature was that it had a login page at first and was restricted to Harvard students at first (where did Zuck go to uni?).
Their first 500k in investment was from Peter Thiel.
Have you been smoking parmesan again?
You cannot possibly be this fucking stupid?
Oh go fuck your self. I'm in the fucking industry. DARPA and related ministries funded OpenBSD and whole fucking shitload of FREE TECHNOLOGY THAT WAS GIVEN AWAY TO THE FUCKING WORLD. DARPA literally create the fucking internet THAT EVERYONE USES FOR FREE.
You cannot be this fucking stupid?
Oh, wait.
I know you. You are one of those fucking Q people.
Okay, since you are too stupid to understand insults, let's try your Q bullshit: show me SINGLE DOCUMENT that shows private, public or other FUNDING of big tech that is NOT CONSIDERED INVESTMENT.
Go motherfucker. I fucking dare you.
You literally just proved my point even better than I did. Time to stop hitting the crack pipe and digest what’s on the screen
Do you?
It's not exactly secret:
https://qz.com/1145669/googles-true-origin-partly-lies-in-cia-and-nsa-research-grants-for-mass-surveillance/
So? It's a service contract. CIA, NSA, FBI buy shit from Boeing, Northrop and all kinds of places.
Does the government get to take over Boeing? Northrop?
Your fucking HYDRO and ELECTRICITY are directly subsidized by government contracts, grants and r&d including huge amounts of research into nuclear and more recently fusion (hopefully that comes up soon as a positive). Does the government get to make your fucking house a public commodity?
DARPA paid for the invention of the internet that you are using now including most of the technologies it runs on (unix, fibreoptics, et al). ALL FINANCED BY GOVERNEMENT RESEARCH GRANTS AND CONTRACTS.
Does the governement get to take that too?
You are a fucking communist. Your head is stuck so far up your arse you can't tell what is a grant, what is a support contract nor do you have any clue what it means to have a business, get some grants, win some contracts, make contacts, build relationships, sell some stuff.
Ever own a business? Ever do business with government? How'd that work out for you?
Because, if you did business with a western government, it went pretty fucking well for you BECAUSE THEY RESPECT PROPERTY RIGHTS ENSHRINED INTO THE CORE OF WESTERN CIVILIATION.
You utter fucking moron.
You really need help.
No one is going to take them over, but to think they are not heavily involved and protected by the government is idiotic.
Now run along fascist
Those are support contracts. Whats your point?
Do you lease a car? Thats the same shit. You fucking Q mother fucker.
Let's play this fucking game you fucking communist.
QUESTION: The government subsidies EVERYTHING YOU CONSUME INCLUDING Y OUR HOME. Does the government get to make your home a public utility?
Go ahead, you fucking communist. I fucking dare you to try and argue out of that.
I've read this twice and still have no idea wtf you're talking about
LOL! Well ... I guess, shouldn't start drinking at 7am.
yes we know he's a fucking idiot
a lot of these politics people actually PURPOSEFULLY go out of their way to not learn facts about shit so they can be idiots
he's one of these types of people
x2
For anyone reading the parts between me and the Q contingent:
It makes me angry because these Q people are all lovely people, all people that mean well and want to help. But don't know how and bumble about and end up supporting fucking nonsense like Tim Pool that keep on eroding our rights. We need all hands on deck and we need our rights to keep on getting strong and stronger. That is the direction that things need to start moving in.
The other takeway for everyone here is JUST HOW EASILY COMMUNIST IDEAS CAN SNEAK IN if you don't pay attention. Even people like the Q guys here fall for this bullshit. They are lovely people that want to help, but holy fuck.
We cannot allow property rights to ever be diminished. Property rights mus be faught for and must be strengthened for everyone.
Even our enemies. Just like with free speech, if our enemies don't have free speech, neither do we. If our enemies don't have the PROPERTY RIGHTS to kick us off of their land or their websites, THE WE WON'THAVE THE RIGHTS TO KICK THEM OFF OUR LAND OR WEBSITES.
Freedom of thought.
Freedom of speech.
Freedom of association.
Property rights.
The right to bear arms.
These are the rights, in my opinion, that allow us to get together, work together and keep our selves free.
Communism is insidious. It fucking always works the same: 50 or 100 intellectuals that know what is going on convince 1000 fanatical followers to follow them. These fanatical followers then convince people like the Q fellow I was arguing with that something like "governement should seize private property because secret funding hur durr" sounds nice and bam.
You hit critical mass and you get communist Europe.
You just saw it in this very fucking thread.