Chauvin was always meant to be found not guilty, they want a race war, they want blacks looting and rioting white neighborhoods in the suburbs, and the country. 14% of the country trying to kill the the other 90% of the country is not going to end well. Statistically we have all the guns, and at some point the fight back will happen, and it will be a blood bath.
If floyd didn’t act like such a dumb thug negro maybe he would still be alive today. fuckin ugly ass thug never contributed to society a day in his life. He was the decay of society
the clip is the final seconds before Chauvin got up
Chauvin's left knee was on GF's shoulder and neck. This is not new.
Nobody can tell how much weight was on which of Chauvin's knees, his toes, or where. There are times where you can tell he's not propping himself up on his toes, but that's not consistent.
Weight on neck vs back isn't important. The trial hasn't established that additional weight would aggravate difficulty breathing. Cops have tried to establish that merely being in the prone position makes breathing difficult, and having your hands handcuffed behind your back makes it harder yet. Weight on the back affects the heart. The real issue is staying there over 9 minutes.
It'll be interesting to see if experts speak to this.
"The recovery position" hasn't been defined yet, but no way is it possible with Chauvin on top of him as depicted here.
Triple the lethal dose! Plus tolerance isn't a thing, because he was clean for a while. We don't really know that but hey, go with sworn testimony.
Idk how the other form of fentanyl in his system affects the dose? And uppers and downers don't cancel each other out in terms of lethality, it all messes you up until it leaves your system.
It will be interesting to see if any expert will testify that GF would definitely have died even with NO Police contact, just from the toxicology report. Without that it might be difficult to avoid criminal culpability, even if only negligence.
Best defense against that might be that cops rolling GF onto his back to start chest compressions wouldve required taking the handcuffs off, which would've been too much of a risk. Plus, they were only 2 blocks away from the hospital. So waiting for paramedics was reasonable.
Except that if GF did not asphyxiate and rather died from an overdose, then Chauvin is not the proximate cause of death.
Making the case that difficulty breathing was a contributory factor when you have over three times the lethal dose of fentynal is disingenuous in the extreme. That hold is prescribed specifically in the Minneapolis PD training manual; meaning Chauvin was acting in accordance with his training, not out of some special malice. When the defense raises this point, they will simply need to underscore how many times this particular hold has been used, and how many people died as a result (zero).
And no, 9 minutes is not an unreasonable time frame to administer a compliance hold. What you're trying to allude to here is called positional asphyxiation, and the amount of weight dispersed on the back or neck is extremely important in those cases. Ironically, weight on the upper back can be lethal, but the back of the neck really isn't. When I first saw the video, I initially believed that the officer behind Chauvin had killed Floyd by pressing on his back.
But once again; this is not an asphyxiation case, so done of this analysis is particularly relevant. The prosecutions case is pathetically weak. The question is, would GF have died but for his use of fent. The answer here is no, absolutely not. This, by itself, exonerates Chauvin of murder. The second question is if Chauvin either failed to administer proper life saving techniques, which hinges on whether or not he had reason to believe Floyd was in imminent danger of overdosing. Paramedics were inbound as he died, and Chauvin had no discernible reason to know Floyd was about to die prior to their arrival.
Please don't forget Floyd REQUESTED to be removed from the squad car and placed on the ground.
If there is an ounce of justice left in this nation, if we are still a nation of laws and not of men, Chauvin should be exonerated of all charges.
Expert testimony disproves basically all your thoughts here:
Except that if GF did not asphyxiate and rather died from an overdose,
Asphyxiation does not mean what you think it does. You can die from OD and still asphyxiate.
Low or no oxygen is established as cause of death. Asphyxiation is only one of many words for it.
OD is ruled out. Fentanyl OD is a coma, GF never entered a coma.
Making the case that difficulty breathing was a contributory factor when you have over three times the lethal dose of fentynal is disingenuous in the extreme.
Completely wrong. Once a cop takes someone into their custody, they are under that cop's care. This adds a wrinkle to the case since Chauvin wasn't even there when GF was cuffed.
Fentanyl reduces breathing. Still under the cop's care. Your thinking is exactly backwards. High levels of fent reduces respiratory rate, which was timed at 22 breaths per minute, the top end of normal.
That hold is prescribed specifically in the Minneapolis PD training manual
MRT (maximal restraint technique) in their manual was shown. It's nothing like what Chauvin did.
Chauvin was acting in accordance with his training, not out of some special malice
Training is specifically to either roll the perp onto their side or sit them up immediately after cuffing. Had Chauvin done this and GF died anyway, Chauvin would be in a much better situation now.
I don't think malice can be proven. It's not even necessary for murder 2. Defense may well be able to get it to involuntary or negligent manslaughter. Defense hasn't had their turn to call any witnesses yet, will be interesting to see if they can build a case for not guilty with everything that's been established with evidence already.
positional asphyxiation, and the amount of weight dispersed on the back or neck is extremely important in those cases. Ironically, weight on the upper back can be lethal, but the back of the neck really isn't. When I first saw the video, I initially believed that the officer behind Chauvin had killed Floyd by pressing on his back.
Expert testimony to these points is really interesting! Positional asphyxiation can occur with NO weight applied, but needs hands cuffed behind the back. Depending where pressure is applied the neck can be pretty impervious, or when your head is turned to your side it can close your airway via soft tissue.
GF's head was turned to the side most of the time; the whole team of prosecutors didn't jump on this to even try to establish how much time in either position.
Not only can weight impede breathing further almost anywhere on the back, but pressure in from the side does too. This further reduces the size of the smallest part of our airway via soft tissue.
Expert testimony said that without "Police subdual, restraint, and compression" there is no evidence to suggest GF would have died. Note that this is the exact opposite of your conclusion. It's not yet established as fact, defense hasn't had their turn to call any witnesses yet.
Expert testimony also establishes it is GF's arteries in his heart being restricted (heart disease) that contributed to his death. One restricted 75%, the other 90%. Heart attack is ruled out, even heart attack caused by stress. GF's heart was also too big due to high blood pressure, but only by less than 4%. Contributed to death. I don't know if murder can be convicted with other contributing factors of death like this?
Yeah I think the part that people fail to realize is the issue of keeping the knee in place for 9 minutes. That's the part where the prosecution may have the most to gain.
Chauvin was always meant to be found not guilty, they want a race war, they want blacks looting and rioting white neighborhoods in the suburbs, and the country. 14% of the country trying to kill the the other 90% of the country is not going to end well. Statistically we have all the guns, and at some point the fight back will happen, and it will be a blood bath.
Once it starts, it will not stop with looters.
Or joggers
Camera angles are racisms.
The most painful "yes" he's ever had to utter.
But then he followed with "he shifted to shoulder blade once amberlamps arrived".
Doesn't matter. The communist will have their way with Chauvin
If floyd didn’t act like such a dumb thug negro maybe he would still be alive today. fuckin ugly ass thug never contributed to society a day in his life. He was the decay of society
No it doesn't:
the clip is the final seconds before Chauvin got up
Chauvin's left knee was on GF's shoulder and neck. This is not new.
Nobody can tell how much weight was on which of Chauvin's knees, his toes, or where. There are times where you can tell he's not propping himself up on his toes, but that's not consistent.
Weight on neck vs back isn't important. The trial hasn't established that additional weight would aggravate difficulty breathing. Cops have tried to establish that merely being in the prone position makes breathing difficult, and having your hands handcuffed behind your back makes it harder yet. Weight on the back affects the heart. The real issue is staying there over 9 minutes.
It'll be interesting to see if experts speak to this.
Yeah fuck that. Let’s see what he was on when he died. Oops. It’s everything
Triple the lethal dose! Plus tolerance isn't a thing, because he was clean for a while. We don't really know that but hey, go with sworn testimony.
Idk how the other form of fentanyl in his system affects the dose? And uppers and downers don't cancel each other out in terms of lethality, it all messes you up until it leaves your system.
It will be interesting to see if any expert will testify that GF would definitely have died even with NO Police contact, just from the toxicology report. Without that it might be difficult to avoid criminal culpability, even if only negligence.
Best defense against that might be that cops rolling GF onto his back to start chest compressions wouldve required taking the handcuffs off, which would've been too much of a risk. Plus, they were only 2 blocks away from the hospital. So waiting for paramedics was reasonable.
We'll see ...
It’s a shame this one lived to die and 30 million others were aborted before they had a chance, right?
Triple the dose before he died - since his body stopped pumping blood there was likely a ton more awaiting being processed by his body.
Now we know there is no evidence of that. That just came out today.
Except that if GF did not asphyxiate and rather died from an overdose, then Chauvin is not the proximate cause of death.
Making the case that difficulty breathing was a contributory factor when you have over three times the lethal dose of fentynal is disingenuous in the extreme. That hold is prescribed specifically in the Minneapolis PD training manual; meaning Chauvin was acting in accordance with his training, not out of some special malice. When the defense raises this point, they will simply need to underscore how many times this particular hold has been used, and how many people died as a result (zero).
And no, 9 minutes is not an unreasonable time frame to administer a compliance hold. What you're trying to allude to here is called positional asphyxiation, and the amount of weight dispersed on the back or neck is extremely important in those cases. Ironically, weight on the upper back can be lethal, but the back of the neck really isn't. When I first saw the video, I initially believed that the officer behind Chauvin had killed Floyd by pressing on his back.
But once again; this is not an asphyxiation case, so done of this analysis is particularly relevant. The prosecutions case is pathetically weak. The question is, would GF have died but for his use of fent. The answer here is no, absolutely not. This, by itself, exonerates Chauvin of murder. The second question is if Chauvin either failed to administer proper life saving techniques, which hinges on whether or not he had reason to believe Floyd was in imminent danger of overdosing. Paramedics were inbound as he died, and Chauvin had no discernible reason to know Floyd was about to die prior to their arrival.
Please don't forget Floyd REQUESTED to be removed from the squad car and placed on the ground.
If there is an ounce of justice left in this nation, if we are still a nation of laws and not of men, Chauvin should be exonerated of all charges.
Expert testimony disproves basically all your thoughts here:
Asphyxiation does not mean what you think it does. You can die from OD and still asphyxiate. Low or no oxygen is established as cause of death. Asphyxiation is only one of many words for it.
OD is ruled out. Fentanyl OD is a coma, GF never entered a coma.
Completely wrong. Once a cop takes someone into their custody, they are under that cop's care. This adds a wrinkle to the case since Chauvin wasn't even there when GF was cuffed.
Fentanyl reduces breathing. Still under the cop's care. Your thinking is exactly backwards. High levels of fent reduces respiratory rate, which was timed at 22 breaths per minute, the top end of normal.
MRT (maximal restraint technique) in their manual was shown. It's nothing like what Chauvin did.
Training is specifically to either roll the perp onto their side or sit them up immediately after cuffing. Had Chauvin done this and GF died anyway, Chauvin would be in a much better situation now.
I don't think malice can be proven. It's not even necessary for murder 2. Defense may well be able to get it to involuntary or negligent manslaughter. Defense hasn't had their turn to call any witnesses yet, will be interesting to see if they can build a case for not guilty with everything that's been established with evidence already.
Expert testimony to these points is really interesting! Positional asphyxiation can occur with NO weight applied, but needs hands cuffed behind the back. Depending where pressure is applied the neck can be pretty impervious, or when your head is turned to your side it can close your airway via soft tissue.
GF's head was turned to the side most of the time; the whole team of prosecutors didn't jump on this to even try to establish how much time in either position.
Not only can weight impede breathing further almost anywhere on the back, but pressure in from the side does too. This further reduces the size of the smallest part of our airway via soft tissue.
Expert testimony said that without "Police subdual, restraint, and compression" there is no evidence to suggest GF would have died. Note that this is the exact opposite of your conclusion. It's not yet established as fact, defense hasn't had their turn to call any witnesses yet.
Expert testimony also establishes it is GF's arteries in his heart being restricted (heart disease) that contributed to his death. One restricted 75%, the other 90%. Heart attack is ruled out, even heart attack caused by stress. GF's heart was also too big due to high blood pressure, but only by less than 4%. Contributed to death. I don't know if murder can be convicted with other contributing factors of death like this?
Not an easy case in any way.
Yeah I think the part that people fail to realize is the issue of keeping the knee in place for 9 minutes. That's the part where the prosecution may have the most to gain.
Lots of expert testimony done now, did you see it?