According to a Facebook post my wife found the deceased’s sister claims it was the result of a heart attack likely caused by an infection around her heart that stemmed from a burst appendix last year. If that is true I don’t doubt that the vaccine exacerbated her condition.
Apparently some bitches get pregnant and none months later are like “omg my tummy hurts And I just noticed I haven’t had my period in nine months and a little head is sticking out of me”
Never underestimate people’s stupidity, especially when it comes to their own health
This ‘may’ have been her case. However, we do not have the ability yet to attribute this 100%, unfortunately. Also, something like this is not referred to ‘natural causes’. It is usually not this clean and tidy.
I think you hit gist of it there. Besides... it's not like it's the only suspect death immediately after.
Also, check out their study SPARS PANDEMIC. Laid all this shit out in crazy detail 4 years ago. In there it says the real side effects wont really kick in for 2 to 3 years.
You'd feel tired constantly. Have chest pains and random chills. Also the story is that she walked around with this for a year after a burst appendix. That ain't happening. They will 100% make sure you are nearly sterile before you leave the hospital after such a thing.
People drop dead of hearth conditions, not unusual. Take Joe Strummer: Guitarist/singer for the Clash. Did drugs, punk lifestyle, etc. Retires, lives normal ratther quiet life. Drops dead at 50 from hearth condition (congenital).
She had a bad case of sleep apnea, or so they say. Weakens the heart, etc... You can aactually die from it. Not sure if she was back doing drugs on top of it.
I laughed so fucking hard at this shit. It’s like “yeah, no biggie, I just have an infection around my heart. I have since last year. It’s no big d..............”. Ded. And it was at that moment Sara Holub died of a year long heart infection.
This may be true but if it were reversed and she had had covid six months ago they would write covid as her cause of death. If nothing else this points to more of the double standard
If it is indeed the case that she died of some weird pre-existing condition, think about how many of us have one as well. Some unknown defect, waiting to kill us at some time in the future. The vaccine may well push on that weak spot a number of years early.
don't be so cold dude she was killed by the new world order it wasn't her fault she was brainwashed by MK ultra and other mind control tactics like the majority of people out there. we need to think like sheepdogs and right now the wolf bill gates just killed one of the sheep we are tasked with protecting. that's how i see things anyways.
And yet you found your way out of the jungle. So did I. Wasn't too difficult, was it? The information is out there.
I'm being generous with this woman. There are many more truthful things I could say about an adult who willingly injects herself with an untested experimental substance to fight a disease as deadly as the common cold on the word of people with billions of dollars to gain from selling said injection.
Sadly, that apt description should be enough for anyone to take pause. Not sure yet how to attribute lack of awareness. I get that you dont snap out of it until something snaps u out, but also, nobody ever told me how shit really worked. I just refused to abide things that sounded like illogical bs, coupled with curious personality and I woke up back in 2001 in high school. Point is, I empathize, but logical awareness is sorely lacking in most.
We are in a group that is 20% at best. Plenty of people who voted for Trump believe covid is legit/scary. 80% think we are reckless merely for thinking covid is not especially scary.
Yeah, I try not to make a habit of rejoicing in the suffering of others but if you haven't figured out what's going on by now I'm not gonna feel sad for you when you suffer the consequences of your actions.
These people need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions, people are not "brainwashed" they choose what to believe and what to be "woke" about. Stop treating everybody like pathetic victimized children. Shits as dumb as black people claiming the white man is oppressing him. You don't want to be a wolf or a sheep, you are a sheperd and Jesus is your Lord.
Except most are brainwashed. If you don't understand the level and insidiousness of propaganda of the last 20 years, ramping up exponentially during the last 5, then you yourself are uninformed and need to take a better look at things.
Lmao ok kid, is the television and porns fault because obviously humans are incapable of thinking for themselves.
Is also sort of funny you claim the propaganda has only been going on for the past 20 years lol you think was any better before 2000? Makes me think you were drinking the kool aid back in the 70s and 80s like the rest of those hippy freaks.
These people have been manipulated big time. They actually don’t deserve this but this is what war in the 21st century looks like. China doesn’t kill their enemies, they make their enemies kill themselves
Our CEO just sent out a strongly worded email urging everyone get vaccinated company wide. Yesterday they were asking for volunteers to report getting vaccinated. We also were given dos and don'ts for political speech. They are the arbiters of what's considered offensive.
I've never seen such a push for getting vaccinated!
He also said don't you dare post anything on social media. As in do not associate with xyz company. Everyone is worried that xyz company is going to require vaccinations in order to work. Such a powerful company too. Talked to wife about loosing this job. This article hits home and neighborhood. This tyranny is awful, I feel a foot on my neck.
This woman had some serious preexisting problem. You can tell by her face and teeth and eyes. Looks like a serious liver issue. Her eyes are yellow, her face was half inflamed with something like rosacea or shingles, half yellow/pale in a strange way, her skin yellow, her teeth are grey/brown, and her hair half falling out
I found a 124 page PDF document chock-full of side-by-sides like this or posts of people talking about their friends/family dying immediately post-vax. Sometimes there were as many as 4 on one page.
(I don't know what the problem is but I've tried twice now to upload it to a file sharer and it's crapped out both times. Maybe the file size is too big. I've only ever electronically shared files I have on my computer once so I don't really know what I'm doing :/)
If it wasn't more than 14 days after the shot then the cause of death was COVID, which is natural, after 14 days the cause is officially "non-COVID complications". Nothing to see here, oh look, border crisis!
Thanks. I do alot of cross checking. I don't believe anything I read online until I cross check it. People will lie lie lie. And fabricate some really convincing stuff. Computer AI can already generate faces that look real but the people dont exist.... Crazy times. Keep that 3rd eye open wide, chew bubblegum and kickass.
I don't remember when experimental shots were classified as a "natural cause," but when has that stopped lefties from changing the meaning of words to deceive people? Shame she died, but ignorance can get you killed, especially when you're "too busy" to look into what people are trying to inject you with, you go with it anyway, and continue to repeat their lies afterwards.
My goodness, I have said the same thing so many times.
Just because some one can solve a sudoku puzzle, finish a crossword, play chess, and memorize shit doesn't mean they have a single lick of common fucking sense.
We have become familiar with the terms IQ and EQ, but we need a term to describe power of discernment. Perhaps DQ for Discernment Quotient.
The people taking the vaccine are among the lowest DQ, no matter how high their IQ might be.
Man this pisses me off... I have two family members with physical ”less than healthy lifestyles” @ 60+ and a sibling with a immune system situation... They can't wait to get a Covid Shot... They're getting sold this b******* on TV everyday, the TV has lied long enough now people just they think it's normal... No matter how much I show them how it doesn't do it damn thing with all these people getting covid even after they're two shots and people like this dying... Sometimes it feels like living off hopium is a long-term disease itself. Soon I may be the only one left if this shot finds them the same outcome.
It would be best to stay away from anyone that is vaccinated. It means they have a weak immune system and likely 2.6 underlying conditions. Got to stay away from sick people.
What kind of scumbag posts this without any cause of death and only lists personal information that can be used by the worthless to harass her mourning family?
You faggots have nothing better to do then entertain circumstantial evidence after spending four years saying it is inadmissible?
Speaking of propaganda, Should you should re-phrase your words? Maybe change "anti-vax" to "anti-gene therapy" or "anti-cutting edge mRNA technology"?
Do not conflate a regular vaccine (the cells of a dead virus) that has been in use for decades with this "vaccine" which up until the emergency use authorization was labeled correctly as gene therapy. This "vaccine" programs your own cells to generate a spike protein that may be similar to COVID and may cause your body to produce antibodies to it. Or it may do many other things that we have no clue about as it has not been tested properly. Is it bound to your cells for life? None of the companies Pfizer, Moderna, or even the CDC claim it will prevent COVID or stop you from spreading it they just say they HOPE it will work. It is still under going clinical trials until 2023 and depending on who you believe has never before made it out of animal trials before this emergency use authorization. We live in a time where even a doctor can not speak their mind if they believe the mainstream narrative to be false. This is not even close to some consensus derived treatment.
It is not a shot that contains a dead virus and it is very deadly compared to the past.
In looking into countering my world view, I do see now the definition of a vaccine is very broad.
"Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose."
Which would mean even any virus itself is a vaccine or being around someone that is sick and catching it means they are a vaccine. So you could call this new treatment a vaccine even though its the first of its kind and never before used on humans. I do find it funny this author argues hard that it is a vaccine but then goes to describe how its nothing like any former vaccine.
"That the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines use mRNA wrapped in lipid nanoparticles to introduce mRNA coding for a the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in order to induce a person’s own cells to make that protein and thereby stimulate the immune system to react against it does not make it any less of a vaccine than an “old-fashioned” vaccine like the whole-cell pertussis vaccine, which basically used killed whole bacteria."
I dont like the argument that you need to use dead cells to be a vaccine. Its like saying a tesla isnt a car because it doesnt use a gas powered engine. The important part of being a vaccine is that you produce an immune response to a disease. It is actually really cool tech.
Calling it a vaccine is deceptive to people who think it's 50 year old studied medicine when this new shot has killed more people than all vaccines historical combined.
Absestos insulation is really cool tech too, totally fireproof, do you want it? If I say I don't want Absestos insulation, lead paint, or aluminum wiring am I anti all those things? Are you eager to fly on a hydrogen filled blimp?? It still flies you there! It's new tech!
This gene therapy is experimental and never before made it out of animal trials due to safety. It is only out now due to emergency use. It MAY produce an immune response to something. Many believe it will do a ton of other bad stuff. This by no means agreed upon by medical people and given all the censoring and group think that says a lot that many doctors will still speak out against it.
I don't think it's so much anti-vax as it is just trying to use logic. If I were in a high risk category, I'd probably take the vaccine. But I'm not, I'm below 40 and my risk profile just doesn't warrant getting the vaccine. The case examples are only shown here because you won't see them anywhere in the media.
Sure if you want to make the choice for yourself to take the risk of getting covid I have absolutely no problem with it and would never advocate pressuring someone to get a covid vaccine. Whats more annoying is seeing all the ill informed propaganda posts actively trying to discourage people from taking the vaccine. OP's post is legit propaganda
dies at 40...'natural causes'
.......K.
Doesn't look to be obese either.
According to a Facebook post my wife found the deceased’s sister claims it was the result of a heart attack likely caused by an infection around her heart that stemmed from a burst appendix last year. If that is true I don’t doubt that the vaccine exacerbated her condition.
It was 100% from the vaccine. You don't just have an infection around your heart for a year and live without symptoms for that long.
You most certainly can. Many people have very serious heart conditions without their knowledge of it.
I ain't pro-vaccine by any means.
You can have endocarditis for months but you have serious symptoms.
Apparently some bitches get pregnant and none months later are like “omg my tummy hurts And I just noticed I haven’t had my period in nine months and a little head is sticking out of me”
Never underestimate people’s stupidity, especially when it comes to their own health
Sure but being too retarded to notice the symptoms isn’t not having symptoms
This ‘may’ have been her case. However, we do not have the ability yet to attribute this 100%, unfortunately. Also, something like this is not referred to ‘natural causes’. It is usually not this clean and tidy.
I think you hit gist of it there. Besides... it's not like it's the only suspect death immediately after.
Also, check out their study SPARS PANDEMIC. Laid all this shit out in crazy detail 4 years ago. In there it says the real side effects wont really kick in for 2 to 3 years.
Yes, looked it over yesterday. Thanks for the information though. It’s unbelievable!
You'd feel tired constantly. Have chest pains and random chills. Also the story is that she walked around with this for a year after a burst appendix. That ain't happening. They will 100% make sure you are nearly sterile before you leave the hospital after such a thing.
People drop dead of hearth conditions, not unusual. Take Joe Strummer: Guitarist/singer for the Clash. Did drugs, punk lifestyle, etc. Retires, lives normal ratther quiet life. Drops dead at 50 from hearth condition (congenital).
Carrie Fischer died pretty young of "natural causes".
She was a rare proponent of electro-shock "therapy". Just like a vaccine, no one questions why someone just died 20 years early.
She had a bad case of sleep apnea, or so they say. Weakens the heart, etc... You can aactually die from it. Not sure if she was back doing drugs on top of it.
Bingo.
Same with Roddy Piper
Once is a statistical unlikelylihood. The fact that there's thousands is indication of harm.
I laughed so fucking hard at this shit. It’s like “yeah, no biggie, I just have an infection around my heart. I have since last year. It’s no big d..............”. Ded. And it was at that moment Sara Holub died of a year long heart infection.
Sure you can. First sign of severe heart problems is usually a heart attack or death.
This is impossible. You don't burst an appendix and then develop an endocarditis a year later.
You immediately go in for surgery and are put on the heaviest antibiotivs they got because you just had shit explode into your stomach cavity.
Not to mention that had covid not freaked out states mandating closure of medical facikities they would have caught a massive heart infection sooner.
That is of course if that is the actual cause of death and not just an embolism from the vaccine.
It's seems there have been odd possible coincidences with the vaccine which lead to blood clots and heart attacks.
Multiple countries have expressed their fears that the vaccine causes blood clots in some people.
This may be true but if it were reversed and she had had covid six months ago they would write covid as her cause of death. If nothing else this points to more of the double standard
If it is indeed the case that she died of some weird pre-existing condition, think about how many of us have one as well. Some unknown defect, waiting to kill us at some time in the future. The vaccine may well push on that weak spot a number of years early.
Helth
Oi’ whereiz yoor vacseen passport mate?
the only passport she got was to go straight to hell.
Do sheep go to hell?
If you think about it, everything in the universe is natural...
Except Covid and the vaccine for Covid.
i hope she really is in a better place she didn't deserve this. .
Yeah, kinda did. Stop treating adults like children. She should have known better.
don't be so cold dude she was killed by the new world order it wasn't her fault she was brainwashed by MK ultra and other mind control tactics like the majority of people out there. we need to think like sheepdogs and right now the wolf bill gates just killed one of the sheep we are tasked with protecting. that's how i see things anyways.
And yet you found your way out of the jungle. So did I. Wasn't too difficult, was it? The information is out there.
I'm being generous with this woman. There are many more truthful things I could say about an adult who willingly injects herself with an untested experimental substance to fight a disease as deadly as the common cold on the word of people with billions of dollars to gain from selling said injection.
The information is out there. But everyone has blind spots.
People used to glorify ‘died fighting’. Now it’s ‘died complying’
/They’ll be waitstaff in Valhalla
Yeah.... but they think by complying they are fighting.
Yeah, fighting the nazis and the evil republicans by obeying their corporate overlords.
Sadly, that apt description should be enough for anyone to take pause. Not sure yet how to attribute lack of awareness. I get that you dont snap out of it until something snaps u out, but also, nobody ever told me how shit really worked. I just refused to abide things that sounded like illogical bs, coupled with curious personality and I woke up back in 2001 in high school. Point is, I empathize, but logical awareness is sorely lacking in most.
We are in a group that is 20% at best. Plenty of people who voted for Trump believe covid is legit/scary. 80% think we are reckless merely for thinking covid is not especially scary.
And what would christ do? Look down on us and say "figure it out"?
Yeah, I try not to make a habit of rejoicing in the suffering of others but if you haven't figured out what's going on by now I'm not gonna feel sad for you when you suffer the consequences of your actions.
It is very sad and surreal to watch the world walk off a cliff and feel helpless to stop them.
These people need to take responsibility for themselves and their actions, people are not "brainwashed" they choose what to believe and what to be "woke" about. Stop treating everybody like pathetic victimized children. Shits as dumb as black people claiming the white man is oppressing him. You don't want to be a wolf or a sheep, you are a sheperd and Jesus is your Lord.
Except most are brainwashed. If you don't understand the level and insidiousness of propaganda of the last 20 years, ramping up exponentially during the last 5, then you yourself are uninformed and need to take a better look at things.
Lmao ok kid, is the television and porns fault because obviously humans are incapable of thinking for themselves.
Is also sort of funny you claim the propaganda has only been going on for the past 20 years lol you think was any better before 2000? Makes me think you were drinking the kool aid back in the 70s and 80s like the rest of those hippy freaks.
This is why we're losing.
Do you guys even know what MKULTRA was?
Unless she time travelled back to the 60s to get force fed LSD alongside Ted Kacyzinski she probably wasn't brainwashed by it.
The program itself ended, but some of the techniques remained and were refined. Do you really think they would let all that money go to waste?
Is it beer?
If your only source of information is the media you have a very different worldview than you or I.
That doesn't excuse stupidity and ignorance though.
The state did her wrong. She trusted them.
She did wrong by trusting the state.
These people have been manipulated big time. They actually don’t deserve this but this is what war in the 21st century looks like. China doesn’t kill their enemies, they make their enemies kill themselves
She's a woman and a sheep. She didn't know any better and should not have been expected to. The government killed her.
Glad for this comment. People like this poor lady are just victims themselves who are misguided. It’s heartbreaking.
What is a Darwin Award, Alex.
Thinning the herd. Stupidity is not a survival trait. She didn't deserve it but she asked for it.
"nAtUrAl CaUsEs"
NATURAL CAUSES AT 40!? DONT LET THEM MEMORY HOLE THIS!
Natural causes at 25
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2021/04/facebook-fact-checks-womans-post-vaccines-adverse-reaction-one-week-killed/
https://smithandwalkerfh.com/tribute/details/7677/Desiree-Penrod/obituary.html
wow, they really fact checked her dying message... This is next level dude
Don't believe your lying arm and head
-Facebook
Our CEO just sent out a strongly worded email urging everyone get vaccinated company wide. Yesterday they were asking for volunteers to report getting vaccinated. We also were given dos and don'ts for political speech. They are the arbiters of what's considered offensive. I've never seen such a push for getting vaccinated! He also said don't you dare post anything on social media. As in do not associate with xyz company. Everyone is worried that xyz company is going to require vaccinations in order to work. Such a powerful company too. Talked to wife about loosing this job. This article hits home and neighborhood. This tyranny is awful, I feel a foot on my neck.
I feel for you. If you live in a commie state, you may have to fake the Covid card.
Horrible
Lol
Sir - both, Sir.
Feel sorry for these people actually. So much manipulation. Pure fucking evil what they’re doing to these people.
She looked sick when she was healthy. The ultimate sacrifice to the SJW Gods.
EXACTLY THIS
This woman had some serious preexisting problem. You can tell by her face and teeth and eyes. Looks like a serious liver issue. Her eyes are yellow, her face was half inflamed with something like rosacea or shingles, half yellow/pale in a strange way, her skin yellow, her teeth are grey/brown, and her hair half falling out
Which pharma company named their vaccine "Natural Causes"?
Natural causes. If it's the vaccine that's not natural at all.
The vaccine is natural like the lab-made “natural flavors” in our food is natural.
So, now it's natural causes. These fucking people.
At 40 SMH
Some oofs you can't come back from. How many other stories out there like this?
I found a 124 page PDF document chock-full of side-by-sides like this or posts of people talking about their friends/family dying immediately post-vax. Sometimes there were as many as 4 on one page.
Sauce, please!
Source: Dude trust me.
(I don't know what the problem is but I've tried twice now to upload it to a file sharer and it's crapped out both times. Maybe the file size is too big. I've only ever electronically shared files I have on my computer once so I don't really know what I'm doing :/)
Well there was that one lefty doctor who posted herself getting vaccinated, only to to have a miscarriage while 5 months pregnant as a result.
You would think her being a doctor, she would know better not to get vaccinated while pregnant.
If it wasn't more than 14 days after the shot then the cause of death was COVID, which is natural, after 14 days the cause is officially "non-COVID complications". Nothing to see here, oh look, border crisis!
Injected with artificial gene therapy. Immediately dies of “natural causes”. HONK HONK
https://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/story/news/2021/03/30/preble-high-choir-director-teacher-distinction-sara-holub-dies/7028057002/
This should be higher up
Thanks. I do alot of cross checking. I don't believe anything I read online until I cross check it. People will lie lie lie. And fabricate some really convincing stuff. Computer AI can already generate faces that look real but the people dont exist.... Crazy times. Keep that 3rd eye open wide, chew bubblegum and kickass.
The irony is that she was probably listed as a covid-19 death.
I don't remember when experimental shots were classified as a "natural cause," but when has that stopped lefties from changing the meaning of words to deceive people? Shame she died, but ignorance can get you killed, especially when you're "too busy" to look into what people are trying to inject you with, you go with it anyway, and continue to repeat their lies afterwards.
I have a severely compromised immune system. I had Covid a year ago. I recovered. I am absolutely positively not getting that vaccine!!!
Yeah I'm glad these fucking retarded morons are dropping dead, honestly.
reason #1,532,252 to no get vaccine
She was intelligent, but not wise. Know the difference.
My goodness, I have said the same thing so many times.
Just because some one can solve a sudoku puzzle, finish a crossword, play chess, and memorize shit doesn't mean they have a single lick of common fucking sense.
We have become familiar with the terms IQ and EQ, but we need a term to describe power of discernment. Perhaps DQ for Discernment Quotient.
The people taking the vaccine are among the lowest DQ, no matter how high their IQ might be.
IQ is how easily you learn and recognize patterns. No one said what you learn is actually true though.
There are no standardized tests for wisdom afaik.
"Natural causes"
It'd be funny if it weren't so sad.
"...natural causes at the age of 40..." ffs
Just big pharma’s animal testing phase, folks. This is to be expected.
Remember everyone, researchers have found NO LINK between the vaccine and deaths from totally natural causes...
There are the same people who said 'no evidence of fraud' and 'most secure election in America history'.
Imagine surviving the pandemic to kill yourself with a vaccine
Natural causes at FORTY??
Man this pisses me off... I have two family members with physical ”less than healthy lifestyles” @ 60+ and a sibling with a immune system situation... They can't wait to get a Covid Shot... They're getting sold this b******* on TV everyday, the TV has lied long enough now people just they think it's normal... No matter how much I show them how it doesn't do it damn thing with all these people getting covid even after they're two shots and people like this dying... Sometimes it feels like living off hopium is a long-term disease itself. Soon I may be the only one left if this shot finds them the same outcome.
Better days are here
Dead at 40 looking like 59.
Womp womp
Fuck. I knew her. 4 days from jab to the casket. damn.
No normal 40 year old has the hair of an 80 year old.
Play stupid games, win stupid prizes. I hope she voted for Biden.
She probably did and will continue to vote Democrat for decades to come.
so sad.
just a coinkidink
Natural causes. At 40. How fuckin stupid is this. They aren’t even trying anymore
It would be best to stay away from anyone that is vaccinated. It means they have a weak immune system and likely 2.6 underlying conditions. Got to stay away from sick people.
BetterThe End of Days are coming...ftfyThis is good.
Death to the retards.
Better days are coming....they sure are
That chick had preexisting meth problem
Am i a bad person for laughing?
Ah, yes. "Natural causes."
Rest in piss.
I hope all the online backpats you got for it was worth it.
They don't accept facebook likes at the pearly gates.
What kind of scumbag posts this without any cause of death and only lists personal information that can be used by the worthless to harass her mourning family?
You faggots have nothing better to do then entertain circumstantial evidence after spending four years saying it is inadmissible?
QQ
I suspected the Qult was behind this faggotry, they always are.
Speaking of propaganda, Should you should re-phrase your words? Maybe change "anti-vax" to "anti-gene therapy" or "anti-cutting edge mRNA technology"?
Do not conflate a regular vaccine (the cells of a dead virus) that has been in use for decades with this "vaccine" which up until the emergency use authorization was labeled correctly as gene therapy. This "vaccine" programs your own cells to generate a spike protein that may be similar to COVID and may cause your body to produce antibodies to it. Or it may do many other things that we have no clue about as it has not been tested properly. Is it bound to your cells for life? None of the companies Pfizer, Moderna, or even the CDC claim it will prevent COVID or stop you from spreading it they just say they HOPE it will work. It is still under going clinical trials until 2023 and depending on who you believe has never before made it out of animal trials before this emergency use authorization. We live in a time where even a doctor can not speak their mind if they believe the mainstream narrative to be false. This is not even close to some consensus derived treatment.
It is not a shot that contains a dead virus and it is very deadly compared to the past.
https://www.naturalnews.com/2021-03-31-mrna-vaccines-1750-americans-dead-3-months.html
https://www.americasfrontlinedoctors.com/exclusive-former-pfizer-vp-to-aflds-entirely-possible-this-will-be-used-for-massive-scale-depopulation/
In looking into countering my world view, I do see now the definition of a vaccine is very broad.
"Vaccine: A product that stimulates a person’s immune system to produce immunity to a specific disease, protecting the person from that disease. Vaccines are usually administered through needle injections, but can also be administered by mouth or sprayed into the nose."
Which would mean even any virus itself is a vaccine or being around someone that is sick and catching it means they are a vaccine. So you could call this new treatment a vaccine even though its the first of its kind and never before used on humans. I do find it funny this author argues hard that it is a vaccine but then goes to describe how its nothing like any former vaccine.
"That the Moderna and Pfizer/BioNTech vaccines use mRNA wrapped in lipid nanoparticles to introduce mRNA coding for a the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein in order to induce a person’s own cells to make that protein and thereby stimulate the immune system to react against it does not make it any less of a vaccine than an “old-fashioned” vaccine like the whole-cell pertussis vaccine, which basically used killed whole bacteria."
https://sciencebasedmedicine.org/the-latest-antivax-false-claim-mrna-vaccines-against-covid-19-are-not-vaccines-but-medical-devices-or-gene-therapy/
I still argue its wrong to call it a vaccine.
I dont like the argument that you need to use dead cells to be a vaccine. Its like saying a tesla isnt a car because it doesnt use a gas powered engine. The important part of being a vaccine is that you produce an immune response to a disease. It is actually really cool tech.
Calling it a vaccine is deceptive to people who think it's 50 year old studied medicine when this new shot has killed more people than all vaccines historical combined.
Absestos insulation is really cool tech too, totally fireproof, do you want it? If I say I don't want Absestos insulation, lead paint, or aluminum wiring am I anti all those things? Are you eager to fly on a hydrogen filled blimp?? It still flies you there! It's new tech!
This gene therapy is experimental and never before made it out of animal trials due to safety. It is only out now due to emergency use. It MAY produce an immune response to something. Many believe it will do a ton of other bad stuff. This by no means agreed upon by medical people and given all the censoring and group think that says a lot that many doctors will still speak out against it.
What vaccine? Are you talking about the MRNA gene therapy that has no long term safety data?
mRNA vaccines have been around for 20 years
In labratories, yes. They have not been available to you. I can see why you're confused, though. You seem to think they're vaccines.
I don't think it's so much anti-vax as it is just trying to use logic. If I were in a high risk category, I'd probably take the vaccine. But I'm not, I'm below 40 and my risk profile just doesn't warrant getting the vaccine. The case examples are only shown here because you won't see them anywhere in the media.
Sure if you want to make the choice for yourself to take the risk of getting covid I have absolutely no problem with it and would never advocate pressuring someone to get a covid vaccine. Whats more annoying is seeing all the ill informed propaganda posts actively trying to discourage people from taking the vaccine. OP's post is legit propaganda
There's also zero evidence that these new vaccines are "safe and effective".
Except for a year long trial that tested their safety as well as an additional 20 years of research into them that hasnt raised any safety issues