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Saltman5000 46 points ago +48 / -2

I am a microbiologist and have also done this research. I have also tested masks. All of which fail go stop droplet dispersal outside of a lab setting. No lab has been able to isolate the virus.

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muslimporn 8 points ago +17 / -9

I tend to believe it exists. In part I don't believe it would be easy to pull of a fraud of this scale. So many people can come out with the truth.

On the other hand, there is really good evidence for a laboratory origin. Yet the level of suppression of that including throughout the entire scientific institute is astonishing.

Similarly with the George Floyd case. We've long known he overdosed but people still insist on believing despite overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Then there's the cover up of any possibility of election fraud with no effort to actually prove their position, only to take down anyone who scrutinises it.

The scale of these things and many more shows to me that it might not be as improbably for COVID-19 to be fake as I would have thought. It's still somewhat far fetched but I can't really dismiss it either.

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HighVoltage 29 points ago +29 / -0

Why do you feel the media and the entire global health industry couldn't pull off a scam?

Let me guess, muh "there's too many people involved" argument.

Its a lot easier to fool people than to convince them they've been fooled. And the bigger the lie, the easier it is to sell.

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muslimporn 2 points ago +4 / -2

This one impacts so many countries at once. Given the availability of information on the internet it's not tested at such an extent.

I can't entirely dismiss it. Though I go by what I can be sure about. Not always uniformally. I'm aware of their capacity to propagate a false reality and suppress the truth intimately and up to a certain point.

Still yet not to the capacity required to entirely fake this. Particularly given leakages in maintaining easier false realities.

There's another element to it the same as 911. The theories are interesting but I find they spiral into ever increasingly implausible amounts of effort. Especially when it's your job to find people on the cusp of doing the hard work for you and doing something like that.

As I see it, if I were evil there are far more easier ways. Opportunistic ways. You exploit something already naturally close to what you want instead of doing all that extraordinary amount of work.

Take the Floyd trial. Think convenience. Something falls into your lap that looks like what you need for your propaganda. A case that just happens to look like police brutality at a glance but that isn't. Dress it up, well it pretty much worked, fooled the world.

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muslimporn 2 points ago +3 / -1

While they are talking about vaccinating people I think people really have no idea just how far medical technology has reached. I've been warning people that a biological technological revolution is going to hit us. They have the ability not only to make a vaccine but also the disease. In fact the former is now in some respects easier.

They also have the ability to engineer a virus that spreads as the vaccine. Injections and these new experimental vaccines aren't actually even the bleeding edge.

There's a serious problem when for example whatever side you might be of if it came from the lab or animal trade that laboratories are capable of having created and release this virus.

It's sort of like reaching the point where you can create nuclear bombs but no one is talking about it. Same kind of breakthrough but no discussion from higher ups on it.

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muslimporn 3 points ago +4 / -1

They're just ignoring flu. Lockdown might abate it somewhat but it's a give away when you realise in many cases they've just stopped checking for it. I haven't been sick since lockdown though that's not unexpected going from being in close proximity to hundreds of people in a big orgy for several hours a day to not at all.

I can tell you what is easier. Using the uncommon common cold. That is what this is. A new version breaks each few years and does the rounds. Usually we don't detect them when they first emerge we just get hit with each wave of cold washing up on our locale shore without knowing where it came from.

We're reaching the point now where sensitivity is up that we can pick up a new cold potentially especially if new and a bit more severe than usual. Just that new ability alone can fool people. That's a sensitivity issue.

The evidence for a lab origin is really compelling and even if it was originally fake labs have been able to make the virus from the RNA alone, the full live functioning virus because they have that capability. Some Swiss labs did it for example because scientists lacked isolated live samples to examine and experiment with early on.

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Handy499 1 point ago +1 / -0

I have came to a similar conclusion just by watching news, going about my normal daily life, observing how many people I know got sick, etc.

One thing I don't understand is that it does feel like there was an increased death rate vs normal flu, how do you explain that?

Packing sick people into nursing homes, physiological programming, people rushing to hospitals full of sick people every time they sneeze? Lock downs/isolation having an effect of people's immune system? Ridiculous use of hand sanitizer and wearing filthy masks?

I think it's possible that they created something something similar to the seasonal flu that target people with preexisting conditions and morbidities.

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becky21k1 10 points ago +10 / -0

What exists is the flu, the same old flu as ever.

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muslimporn 3 points ago +4 / -1

Whatever it is it isn't far off flu enough for everyone to be getting their knickers in a twist like they are.

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TheMadManDidItAgain 8 points ago +8 / -0

I like you opinion. I don't fully agree with "I don't believe it would be easy to pull off a fraud of this scale." I think what we have witnessed over the last year is at how incredibly powerful gaslighting media is, and how effective they are.

The media can push any narrative they want and get people to believe it. And when people start questioning the science and looking at papers, etc, the media is right there to ignore any findings and push an narrative against whatever the paper says.

There are fine people on both sides... and I'm not talking about Fauci and Birx, they should be condemned completely. The point is, the media will gaslight whatever sells and gets people to tune in.

I think you pretty much are saying the same thing. Where we differ though is that I do absolutely feel they did pull of fraud of this scale. I agree it wouldn't be easy for us to do it, but the democrats, most republicans, media, and alphabet agencies are all, essentially, working together. It hurts... but I do believe this is the case. And with that much collaborative power, they can get a majority of the people to believe anything! They can get almost all liberals to believe anything, no matter how crazy. They get fewer republicans, but way too many to buy in to their shit. I mean, there are very strong conservatives I know who are anti-mask, etc... the whole 9 yards.... and they still celebrate getting their vaccine.

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muslimporn 4 points ago +4 / -0

The issue I have is that they are definitely capable of creating and releasing this virus. Likely while escaping responsibility. I also wouldn't put it past them. It's not really that remarkable a virus. When you only need a virus moderately worse than the flu to cause mass panic and declare martial law globally you have more significant and obvious problems staring you in the face.

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JoePedoCheated 1 point ago +1 / -0

The WHO pushed the narrative originally put forth by the CCP government. The lemming countries around the world believed and followed the CCP controlled WHO. The CDC here, with noted Hillary fan Fauci, ran with the ball when Trump was getting in the way. They used Tech and Media to instill fear, and massive "required testing" using a test they could manipulate to show fake "uncontrolled spread" of a manipulated situation that is truly the flu and other diseases, NOT the Covid-19 boogeyman, and used it to take down Trump, with the Republicans complicit in the operation. It was far easier than you might think when you can use fear as the carrot.

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Pepehands 5 points ago +5 / -0

0.004% chance to die with covid under 80 according to the government provided numbers in Canada. And that's just going off of the official "cases"

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Hammerhawk 4 points ago +4 / -0

even Brett Weinstein said on JPB podcast that the more time goes by the more the lab origin story holds up and the rest are falling away....I had to listen to him say it again cuz hes a pretty straight and narrow lib dude

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dumdumexpress 1 point ago +1 / -0

You are a fool, sir.

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katsumi27 2 points ago +2 / -0

Microbiologist here too. I fucking knew it! I KNEW these tests looked for Flu and called it Covid 19.

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CoffeeIsForClosers 1 point ago +1 / -0

I'm an MLS(ASCP) and even if it was from the Coronaviridae family, who gives a shit. GeneXpert and Abbott ID Now is fucking trash for coronavirus.

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_Cabal_ 25 points ago +25 / -0

Would be great if this were more than just an image of a post of some anon on social media.

As it stands, this alone is largely useless.

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Catchasegnome 4 points ago +4 / -0

This is from december I think and it was widely reported by so called "fringe" right wing media but many retracted when nothing could be verified. I'm pretty sure this is just fake news designed to make believers look stupid

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Yippy 10 points ago +12 / -2

It would be nice if we had this Dr’s name, I don’t trust anonymous sources.

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Gnometard 6 points ago +8 / -2

It's gotta be fake. I had it. Pretty much all my coworkers have had it.

It's a bad cold but the aches and fatigue are so different from every other illness I've ever had, including h1n1.

I'd rather have covid again than get h1n1 again.

It's not a serious illness, it's just noticeably different

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redditbiggay 3 points ago +4 / -1

SAME. We all got swine flu in college that was 4-5 days of hell. When I got covid I was just extremely fatigued for 5 days. Like sleeping 14 hours then getting up and hanging out on the couch tired, but that's it.

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Gnometard 2 points ago +2 / -0

Yep. With H1N1 my doctor called me daily and had me checking in, in person, every 3. I was sick for 3 weeks. FUCKING EVERYONE got it and it was bad enough people talked about it without needing the media to assure you it was bad.

Covid? Just a bad cold. Most people just say flu when they feel sick. They don't realize they may have a coronavirus. That's why they call this a flu, but flu actually kills young people. Coronaviruses do not.

This coronavirus is noticeably different because of the soreness and fatigue.

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Pepesforfreedom 10 points ago +10 / -0

Coronavirus exists, several variants of it exist and have existed for a long time. People chalk it up to a cold and get on with their lives. Some people develop bronchitis or pneumonia and get very sick. The hysteria is entirely from the government and media (and Chinese propaganda). The tests are garbage, the treatments were suppressed. This could have been over last spring. Also not to mention every influenza case has been ruled as covid 19 so people don’t really know what the hell they have.

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acasper 9 points ago +9 / -0

Show me the lawsuit they have filed against the CDC and I’ll believe that this is a real account.

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goldeneagle1 6 points ago +6 / -0

FYI - here is the video the above is from. https://www.bitchute.com/video/wzGujyS5DYXn/

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MAGAsian 5 points ago +13 / -8

This is getting into a very retarded realm. Yes, the virus fucking exists. No, it's not that big of a deal and most people clear it on their own without any issues. Yes, it was released by China.

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Gnometard 0 points ago +1 / -1

Influenza kills children. Covid does not

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MAGAsian 0 points ago +2 / -2

It has nothing to do with influenza

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MAGAsian 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's a completely separate argument. We're talking about the actual virus, not how cases are counted in the United States.

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redditbiggay -11 points ago +1 / -12

according to Ivor Cummins it's pretty normal for viruses to go dormant when other viruses, or variations of viruses outcompete.

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Dialectic 5 points ago +5 / -0

LOL

Fucking clown world . Backflip through some more mental gymnastics

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redditbiggay 1 point ago +1 / -0

He's very vocal about covid lockdowns being stupid and ineffective definitely not the kind of stance you're thinking about. He talked about it on the Tom Woods podcast: Ep. 1862 Ivor Cummins Answers Forbidden COVID Questions

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MEGAMAGAULTRA 1 point ago +1 / -0

China just took the common cold or flu and modified it to be more contagious. We've been tracking a normal cold/flu spreading through society with the facade of a super deadly pandemic.

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becky21k1 -8 points ago +4 / -12

What PhDs do you hold again?

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msimmons87 0 points ago +2 / -2

Looking forward to the answer to this question.

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LarryBugman 4 points ago +4 / -0

I had the wuflu and had a cough for about 3-4 days, but lost my sense of taste and smell for about 7-10 days.

Looking back I’m pissed with myself that I didn’t switch to a diet of just spinach and kale smoothies for the duration for some easy weight loss, oh well.

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msimmons87 4 points ago +4 / -0

Post the link!

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msimmons87 5 points ago +5 / -0

For anyone reading this far down. I've been looking for the source of this statement. It has been potentially attributed to a few different people but nobody, from what I've seen so far, has been able to pinpoint the actual source of this statement. Currently skimming comment sections of many different sites but it seems that it was randomly pulled from a facebook post then shared.

THAT IS WHY IF YOU POST SOMETHING POST THE FUCKING LINK

OTHERWISE YOU LOOK LIKE AN IDIOT

But, I digress. I know that we are all looking for the truth, which will hopefully eventually come out. We all know that we are being lied to and with so many mistruths being posted and shared, it's really difficult to bury these motherfuckers once and for all. So, PLEASE, if you find something, before posting it or sharing it, do the best that you can do to at least source the information so that you don't make other people look like IDIOTS. Thank you.

Link: https://joerizoliopinions.onlinegroups.net/groups/joe-rizoliopinions/messages/topic/5TCwkDUfl9Q9h0OpKZKf0E

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MAGAbeast2016 2 points ago +2 / -0

Fits with the official flu numbers being lowest ever

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Gnometard 3 points ago +3 / -0

Nope, flu kills kids. Coronavirus doesn't. Average flu season kills a few thousand kids. Coronavirus hasn't, even with their inflated numbers.

Look, I get it. You don't think the flu is anything and you think calling this the flu is calling it nothing. But nobody ever looks at actual data. It's there. Don't be like the commies and play word games or assume you're right because feelings.

Coronaviruses cause pneumonia and kill the elderly every year. This one is only different in that younger people feel the stronger symptoms, because it's a bad cold.

Again, influenza can actuality kill you if you're not elderly and sick by a bunch of other conditions.

We can't have nice things because people can't think, they only feel.

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Brickyard 2 points ago +3 / -1

Can I have a link for this please?

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1DontTreadOnMe1 2 points ago +2 / -0

I have been saying this since day one.

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MEGAMAGAULTRA 1 point ago +1 / -0

This makes the vaccine even more insidious if no lab has actually isolated the covid virus. If that is true, how could they possibly engineer a proper vaccine? So wtf are people taking???

I am inclined to believe her. I have long thought that China basically modified the common cold or flu to be more contagious and all we have been tracking this entire time is how a cold spreads through society, but with the facade of it being a SUPER DEADLY PANDEMIC! I mean why else would you mobilize 24_7 coverage, with politicians, Hollywood, media, influencers, etc... all parroting the same thing. This all just has been an incredible expirament with incredible data that should never be in the hands of bad actors.

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BoughtByBloomberg2 1 point ago +2 / -1

Covid exists. It's a bioengineered strain from the Wuhan lab and the WHO covered it up because they are run by an African supremacist commie.

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JoePedoCheated 2 points ago +2 / -0

Technically they are run by the Chinese CCP, The African commie is just their lackey. Kind of like PedoBiden is here.

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Gnometard 1 point ago +2 / -1

Flu kills young people. Coronaviruses, this one too, do not. Seasonal flu didn't go away.

If/ when you get this virus, if you get symptoms, you'll notice it's different. The fatigue is on par with mono and the aches feel like you got hit by a truck.

I get it, you think calling this a flu is calling it nothing. But it's actuality calling it something worse than it is. If this was a flu, more young people (those under 70) would be symptomatic and young people would actually be dying.

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witchism11 1 point ago +1 / -0

At first I was scared because I'm immuno-compromised, but after watching people supposedly dropping dead in the streets of China, then not seeing that in America, I came to my own conclusion that once again, the media and politicians tried to bullshit the American public for pure power and control. Thank you for posting this.

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JoePedoCheated 2 points ago +2 / -0

Also, note that the "MoSt SeRiOuS vIrUs EvEr" has basically ignored Africa. Maybe because Africa isn't under total social control by Big Tech and Media. Only South Africa shows what could be considered a lot of cases - 1.5 million in a country of 56 million - and that's because they have the largest white population, and most "Western" society in Africa. Nigeria, the most populous country in Africa, with over 200 million people, shows only 163,000 "cases" since the beginning. Africa is totally ignored by the globalists/Chinese pushing this, because their intention is to tear down Western norms and civilization.

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witchism11 1 point ago +1 / -0

I hadn't even thought about that. Thanks for that interesting info!

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B_Sack 1 point ago +1 / -0

Paragraphs goddammit. Wtf is with the wall of text syndrome.

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JennaDenver 1 point ago +1 / -0

I would agree 100% except one thing: loss of taste and smell. Yes you lose taste and smell a bit with flu and colds but this is different- 100% loss for days or weeks. That's the only reason I have to not agree though.

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AllTheWayTrump 1 point ago +1 / -0

no shit although neglected to add that it was also designed to get Trump removed from office by hook or crook.

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purepepelegends 1 point ago +1 / -0

Based virus researcher!

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Gnometard 1 point ago +4 / -3

The hype is fake but after having it myself and and hundreds of people at my job, it's real.

However, it's just a bad cold. If you've had it the body aches and fatigue that come with it are WAAAY the fuck different than any illness I've ever had, including H1N1.

Plenty reporting loss of taste and smell from people I see daily. If you get that symptom, it seems to last longer than feeling sick.

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Gnometard 1 point ago +2 / -1

900 people at my factory. My crew is 1/4 of that. Everyone has gotten their wuflu quarantine.

Only one person had it bad, and he's old and fat. Nobody else, including myself, had anything nearly as bad as getting the flu. Half the people talk about losing taste and smell, one guy I eat lunch with had his loss of taste and smell as THE ONLY symptoms.

I'll take covid again over getting the flu any day, being super fucking tired and sore for a week with free sick time is great because you can just sleep it off. I've never been able to sleep for long periods with the flu

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Dialectic 2 points ago +2 / -0

“It’s real”

“It’s a bad cold”

So you got a cold, but everyone tested positive on easily manipulated tests so you believe you had something different lol

It’s real gaiz i know because I had a cold

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mua741 -1 points ago +1 / -2

If COVID doesn't exist, that means Trump shut down travel to/from China and Europe for no reason at all.

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Dialectic 4 points ago +4 / -0

Sounds like a win to me, motherfucker. Should be zero immigration to us

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garmentofpraise 1 point ago +1 / -0

The president only knows what his advisors tell him. If they're all in on the scam then...

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ModsBanPaleos -1 points ago +1 / -2

Faggot mods wont sticky this