You're a slave to the egotistical, narcissistic god of slavery, incest, and total planetary genocide. Rainbows are entirely material. Ever played with a hose? Am I a god for being able to make rainbows as I please? What if I think rainbows are ugly?
There were advanced societies before christianity, and there were and still are advanced societies without christianity. There is no objective morality, but we can derive moral tenets through what continues the society, and the empathy we evolved as a social species. Rape is wrong because it causes harm to at the very least one other member of the society, and because we can empathize with the victim and understand it's not something we'd like done to us.
Yeah, I've heard that junk before, and I don't find it in the least convincing.
No, they're not entirely material. If there hadn't been anyone there to measure the raindrop and the light in the first place, what would be left of their existence? The fact of the matter is, every single raindrop is carrying a potential rainbow which is just "waiting" to be discovered by a conscious being.
Yeah, you can have advanced societies without Christianity. You can rank them on a scale. The more it likens a Christian society, in morality and philosophy, the more advanced it will be.
"Rape is wrong because it causes harm to at the very least one other member of the society, and because we can empathize with the victim and understand it's not something we'd like done to us."
Whatever maaan. That's just like... your opinion. If people genuinely believed that there is no God, what incentive would they have to accept this line of thinking? You are just one guy with a voice.
You don't find it convincing because, like I said, you have a personal vendetta against Christianity. It's so obvious, because anyone who genuinely cares about truth, reason and morality would see that Christianity is not like other religions in this regard. We are your closest ally in the world, and yet you treat us like your mortal enemy. No other religion even discusses these things. It's all about doing the rituals and following the scriptures. We invented science. We ended the slave trade. We out bred the rest of the world. We founded numerous high trust societies. The witch trials? 3000 people died in the whole of the Spanish Inquisition (which lasted over 300 years years). 13 of them were witches. Read some history.
What would be of their existence? The raindrops and the light. They don't go away because you're not there.
No, societies based on christian morality over secular morality were pretty much shitholes. Countries are very capable of advancing without christianity either, just look to East Asia.
What reason? The reason that the overwhelming majority of people everywhere share the same opinion and are willing to write laws and use force against it. Would you go around raping and murdering if there wasn't a god? If that's the case, you're just an absolutely abhorrent, shitty person.
Christianity is no different from any other religion. They all discuss those things. The earliest elements of the scientific method outdate christianity, and likely wouldn't have even developed when they did in the West if not for muslims preserving and translating pre-christian writings while the christians were sperging out not unlike modern muslims. Also, those muslims are outbreeding you now, while growing numbers of your believers are smelling the bullshit. When there are more muslims than christians, will you convert? East Asia has even higher-trust societies, and they're majority religiously unaffiliated. Maybe you should read some history.
But what part of the raindrops and the light? They wouldn't be visible. You couldn't hear them. You couldn't measure them in any way. What part would be left? What separates that "something" from non-existence?
Whatever your answer is, it doesn't matter. The fact is, most of our shared experience of reality is what we can see, hear, touch, feel and measure. It's not the material world. That's only a teeny tiny part of our reality, assuming it plays a role at all. So you can say that the rainbow doesn't exist, that's it all material. But you would be lying to yourself.
Okay, let's use your numbers then. The wikipedia estimate. 35 000 people killed throughout the whole of Europe after receiving a trial, over the span of 300 years. That's roughly 116 people a year. At the time, there were around 60-70 million people in Europe. That's less than 0,0002% of the population (one in every 500 000). Compare that to 186 abortions to every 1000 live births in the US. Or the 100 million deaths due to communism over the last century. Big whoop even if you condone the witch trials (which I do).
The rest I won't even bother to address. It's too broad a topic.
The rainbow exists because it's material. We can only see, hear, touch, feel, and measure the material. There's zero evidence of anything outside the material. Come on, are you struggling to understand object permanence? You're supposed to have that worked out as a baby.
You believe witches exist, with actual magic powers and shit? Yeah, you're a full-blown retard. PS: most people who get abortions here are some flavor of christian.
You're a slave to the egotistical, narcissistic god of slavery, incest, and total planetary genocide. Rainbows are entirely material. Ever played with a hose? Am I a god for being able to make rainbows as I please? What if I think rainbows are ugly?
There were advanced societies before christianity, and there were and still are advanced societies without christianity. There is no objective morality, but we can derive moral tenets through what continues the society, and the empathy we evolved as a social species. Rape is wrong because it causes harm to at the very least one other member of the society, and because we can empathize with the victim and understand it's not something we'd like done to us.
Yeah, I've heard that junk before, and I don't find it in the least convincing.
No, they're not entirely material. If there hadn't been anyone there to measure the raindrop and the light in the first place, what would be left of their existence? The fact of the matter is, every single raindrop is carrying a potential rainbow which is just "waiting" to be discovered by a conscious being.
Yeah, you can have advanced societies without Christianity. You can rank them on a scale. The more it likens a Christian society, in morality and philosophy, the more advanced it will be.
"Rape is wrong because it causes harm to at the very least one other member of the society, and because we can empathize with the victim and understand it's not something we'd like done to us."
Whatever maaan. That's just like... your opinion. If people genuinely believed that there is no God, what incentive would they have to accept this line of thinking? You are just one guy with a voice.
You don't find it convincing because, like I said, you have a personal vendetta against Christianity. It's so obvious, because anyone who genuinely cares about truth, reason and morality would see that Christianity is not like other religions in this regard. We are your closest ally in the world, and yet you treat us like your mortal enemy. No other religion even discusses these things. It's all about doing the rituals and following the scriptures. We invented science. We ended the slave trade. We out bred the rest of the world. We founded numerous high trust societies. The witch trials? 3000 people died in the whole of the Spanish Inquisition (which lasted over 300 years years). 13 of them were witches. Read some history.
What would be of their existence? The raindrops and the light. They don't go away because you're not there.
No, societies based on christian morality over secular morality were pretty much shitholes. Countries are very capable of advancing without christianity either, just look to East Asia.
What reason? The reason that the overwhelming majority of people everywhere share the same opinion and are willing to write laws and use force against it. Would you go around raping and murdering if there wasn't a god? If that's the case, you're just an absolutely abhorrent, shitty person.
Christianity is no different from any other religion. They all discuss those things. The earliest elements of the scientific method outdate christianity, and likely wouldn't have even developed when they did in the West if not for muslims preserving and translating pre-christian writings while the christians were sperging out not unlike modern muslims. Also, those muslims are outbreeding you now, while growing numbers of your believers are smelling the bullshit. When there are more muslims than christians, will you convert? East Asia has even higher-trust societies, and they're majority religiously unaffiliated. Maybe you should read some history.
But what part of the raindrops and the light? They wouldn't be visible. You couldn't hear them. You couldn't measure them in any way. What part would be left? What separates that "something" from non-existence?
Whatever your answer is, it doesn't matter. The fact is, most of our shared experience of reality is what we can see, hear, touch, feel and measure. It's not the material world. That's only a teeny tiny part of our reality, assuming it plays a role at all. So you can say that the rainbow doesn't exist, that's it all material. But you would be lying to yourself.
Okay, let's use your numbers then. The wikipedia estimate. 35 000 people killed throughout the whole of Europe after receiving a trial, over the span of 300 years. That's roughly 116 people a year. At the time, there were around 60-70 million people in Europe. That's less than 0,0002% of the population (one in every 500 000). Compare that to 186 abortions to every 1000 live births in the US. Or the 100 million deaths due to communism over the last century. Big whoop even if you condone the witch trials (which I do).
The rest I won't even bother to address. It's too broad a topic.
The rainbow exists because it's material. We can only see, hear, touch, feel, and measure the material. There's zero evidence of anything outside the material. Come on, are you struggling to understand object permanence? You're supposed to have that worked out as a baby.
You believe witches exist, with actual magic powers and shit? Yeah, you're a full-blown retard. PS: most people who get abortions here are some flavor of christian.