I respectfully disagree. He restrained a manic, physically superior, violent suspect with a traditional technique. The whole encounter is shown on bodycam. Given the rate of black crimes anybody would be terrified of a dude like George Floyd. I don't know if Chauvin knew of Floyd's criminal record before he restrained him, but if he knew it only adds more to the fear.
The most important part is that he used a very much normal restraining technique that doesn't kill people by choking them.
Unfortunately his own boss testified that the technique he used was not standard procedure taught to officers and that he believed the use of force was unnecessary. After admitting that a police officers response is ever evolving while working an active call. Ridiculous... I can't wait to see who the defense calls to testify.
After that question, defence brought forth a training video that shows the EXACT knee placement and restraint as procedure. That training video was still used until July.
The only thing they've got him on is that it was a restrained used during "transition", but isn't clear to what. To cuffs? To the back of a car? To an ambulance?
I think he'll be fine. Ambulance was already called, Ffloyd kicked the officers getting him in the car just prior to being laid down.
I won't go so far as to say that he did nothing wrong. I think after Floyd passed out that Chauvin should have stopped and checked more thoroughly and administered whatever medical aid he could.
But then again the hostile crowd being distracting and a potential threat and Floyd being a massive man who if faking could easily overpower Chauvin if he let his guard down led Chauvin to decide that he was just gonna stay put until ambulance comes and he gets more backup.
Murder should definitely be off the table though. Maybe some charge related to negligence might be applicable. But in a fair world he should be acquitted of all of his current charges and maybe slapped with a more minor charge. But we know that's not gonna happen.
Also I still love how they've established absolutely ZERO evidence that anything he did was racially motivated. Just because he's white and Floyd is black everyone just assumes that he did it because Chauvin must hate black folks.
Regardless of whether or not you think he’s guilty of manslaughter or contributed to the death of George Floyd, this case isn’t the pinnacle example of a cold blooded murder going unpunished the left was up in arms rioting over.
I really don't care if he's innocent or guilty, it's not my business. Nobody in charge cares if he's innocent either. It's a psyop. They just waited until a black dude died in police custody, and started creating the narrative.
They want a police like the UK has; willing to act on their fellow citizens in extremely unethical and invasive ways when white people are involved. Here's the steps, and it's super fucking easy and working like a charm.
Create artificial racial divide, blame the system/police
Pit police and citizens against each other, police against police and citizen against citizen
When all comes to a head, throw the sacrificial officer under the bus. You are here
Instruct your police to not confront black people no matter the situation. News claims police are no longer racist and can be trusted - keep this narrative alive!
Police are soon knocking on your door for online wrong-think.
And now America is dead! Congrats, were an Islamic state in 2 decades.
100% not innocent definitely needs to change they way things are handled I do not support floyd in any way he was a drug addicted career criminal on that note he deserved more than what he got no-one should die over a $20(fake) or even a lil drugs could hav be handled differently with proper training (more than a few months) 6 guys could easily have take that man into custody without his death my opinion thats where change is needed years of training should be required
Nope. I think Chauvin is a Trump hater that posed for a photo with his knee on that junkie's neck to stir up racial tensions. The way he was looking at the camera, like he was making sure it was being filmed. I'll never believe he wasn't in on this.
And I'm sure his FBI handlers promised he'd get off scot-free.
I know he's innocent because I've bothered to examine all of the evidence. Read the original autopsy, all the arguments against, gone through all the videos over and over, the body cam, the transcripts, huge amounts of evidence.
I know he's innocent, it's a fact. If you've examined the material to claim that he is guilty might as well be as pointless as insisting that rain comes from the moon.
Unless someone has devoted some few hundred hours to studying all of the materials and different angles they should not take their opinion seriously in the matter and they have no right to comment on mine without equal endeavour.
The really aggravating thing is that charges should have been dropped long ago as soon as all the exonerating evidence came to light. It's their job to go through all the evidence, then drop the charges and to have to explain to people why, not mine.
I've been telling people for months now that the cops can't do anything when an angry crowd is bearing down on them. That they had every reason to believe that his inability to breath had other causes and that there's zero evidence for the knee having any significant impact.
People seem to have completely missed things in the original video like the aggression of that guy. His threatening tone, insults and things such as a racist bistander shouting racist abuse at Chauvin. Also him having to take out his mace as they were about to rush them, which one of them tried and had to be pushed back who then threatened to slap them. They commented in the ambulance that the crowd was aggressive. They called the ambulance to come in for emergency, ASAP, so the notion they were trying to kill him is bonkers.
I think he is probably "innocent" in the literal sense of the word because I haven't devoted tons of time into this but I have seen the long videos, original autopsy report and some testimony so I went from definitely guilty to probably not guilty.
At a minimum they did a horrific job of upholding the role of good police. Sure there was a hostile crowd but they helped create that situation by acting stupid and unprofessional.
I think if they had Narcan on them (which the chief of police claimed the officers normally have) and failed to render aid they have some culpability. But then its probably manslaughter at the very worst.
In the end it was a terrible situation made worse by lack of common sense.
To me what is more important and is extremely worrisome is how exculpatory evidence was held back from the general public until trial, how the media was so biased and one sided, and how prosecution is withholding evidence (original autopsy report). I heard there also wasn't a grand jury which I think violates the Constitution.
My first response to the video was the same as most people's but I'm used to checking, double checking and triple checking.
They didn't act stupid or unprofessional. There wasn't much they could do. They were effectively pinned down. They needed to have the guy restrained and also needed to keep an eye on the crowd. There aren't any magic words you can say to get an angry mob to calm down. Sometimes the only thing you can do is to wait, not do anything and let the EMT take care of it.
The paramedics themselves could not treat him at the scene because of the hostile crowd. They had to first drive a block away then stop so they could work on him properly.
At first when eliminating everything else I was left with him staying on Floyd and not examining just to check in the off chance restraint wasn't contributing. However after examining the situation clearly, Chauvin does try to check him out and evaluate but the crowd prevents him from focusing on Floyd by rushing him.
Much of this evidence and analysis has been publicly available it's just been suppressed. The trial has however brought in even more evidence of innocent when it had already reached the point that the evidence was enough to drop charges. For example the pills in the car and the reason for the ambulance not treating him at the scene is new.
However even just a couple of months after the evidence came out. The problem is the media. They know all this but they have been massively suppressing it, a media blackout. With big tech blocking stuff it's worse than a media circus. They are actively even obstructing conversations between people that are sceptical of the media narrative.
I have the original autopsy report. I'm in the UK. I had it a month or so after. The prosecution also sucks for continuing with charges but withholding is an understatement. It's available. That's just how bad the suppression is.
The "I Can't Breathe" meme is another engineered gaslight. Floyd clearly claimed this in the back of the police car in his drug induced paranoia, before he was on the ground and had nothing to do with the shoulder pin restraint.
I agree with most of what you said 100% but, and I would have to rewatch the video, I do seem to remember them taunting the crowd at several points especially the Asian cop. That's the part they did poorly.
He also didn't seem to completely follow procedure. I understand he is big guy and pressure holds are necessary but there were 4 of them. Like I said if they had Narcan and did nothing that is a hard pill to swallow. They use that on LivePD all the time in these kind of situations.
It's always a pain to find the original uncut cellphone footage. I think it's still on youtube somewhere but buried under loads of cuts.
Most of the outrage material out there or anger porn is not what it appears to be. I remember watching the Luke Monday video around 100 times and in slow motion, etc.
Turns out HE was being domestically abused. It sounds like he's beating her at first but it's just his headphones.
At some point you learn to get used to questioning everything.
I'm not sure if giving him stuff is a good idea if they don't know exactly what's wrong with him. I wouldn't assume LivePD is entirely accurate either.
You'd say it too if you'd experienced it first hand. I'm not flopping. I did flip from support to fuck them after they fucked me and my boys at a flag rally.
Some cops fucked you over at a rally so you're going to take it out on a completely different cop?
Example: "Some black guy annoyed me the other day but too many people were around but later I saw a black kid alone and took it out on him."
That's the kind of thinking I see here.
I've had personal experiences with cops as well but when a particular cop gives me grief that's the cop whose face gets smashed in not whatever other cop I can get at.
The situation is that you have to question or test their loyalty in every case when engaging with the police. You're crossing the line to outright prejudice. You're forcing cops that aren't your enemy to be your enemy with that.
Innocent? No. Guilty of murder? Also probably no. But this faggot clearly broke protocol with the neck restraint, which can only be used on someone who is actively resisting. It is not a preventative measure because it is dangerous. I could see him being guilty of manslaughter and I wouldn’t care. What I do care about is that this obviously won’t be enough to placate the angry mob.
I wouldn't say nothing but he definitely isn't a murderer.
☝️ This
At most, he failed to render aid to a drug addict suffering an overdose who vehemently denied having taken any drugs.
I respectfully disagree. He restrained a manic, physically superior, violent suspect with a traditional technique. The whole encounter is shown on bodycam. Given the rate of black crimes anybody would be terrified of a dude like George Floyd. I don't know if Chauvin knew of Floyd's criminal record before he restrained him, but if he knew it only adds more to the fear.
The most important part is that he used a very much normal restraining technique that doesn't kill people by choking them.
Unfortunately his own boss testified that the technique he used was not standard procedure taught to officers and that he believed the use of force was unnecessary. After admitting that a police officers response is ever evolving while working an active call. Ridiculous... I can't wait to see who the defense calls to testify.
After that question, defence brought forth a training video that shows the EXACT knee placement and restraint as procedure. That training video was still used until July.
The only thing they've got him on is that it was a restrained used during "transition", but isn't clear to what. To cuffs? To the back of a car? To an ambulance?
I think he'll be fine. Ambulance was already called, Ffloyd kicked the officers getting him in the car just prior to being laid down.
Number of people that think Chauvin will be found guilty and BLM will burn, loot and murder anyway.
BLM will Burn Loot Murder, no matter what happens. If he's found guilty, they'll find another Jogger to turn into a "martyr".
Chauvin is innocent.
I won't go so far as to say that he did nothing wrong. I think after Floyd passed out that Chauvin should have stopped and checked more thoroughly and administered whatever medical aid he could.
But then again the hostile crowd being distracting and a potential threat and Floyd being a massive man who if faking could easily overpower Chauvin if he let his guard down led Chauvin to decide that he was just gonna stay put until ambulance comes and he gets more backup.
Murder should definitely be off the table though. Maybe some charge related to negligence might be applicable. But in a fair world he should be acquitted of all of his current charges and maybe slapped with a more minor charge. But we know that's not gonna happen.
Also I still love how they've established absolutely ZERO evidence that anything he did was racially motivated. Just because he's white and Floyd is black everyone just assumes that he did it because Chauvin must hate black folks.
Monday morning quarterbacking
At the beginning I thought he was just another actor in the plot. Chauvin is very innocent of his charges.
This is the first <~~~ Number of Peres post I’ve seen in ages.
You’re gay
He isn't guilty beyond a reasonable double. Which is different than innocent.
I think any reasonable person can agree that
he didn’t commit a heinous cold blooded murder
he isn’t getting off scot free
Regardless of whether or not you think he’s guilty of manslaughter or contributed to the death of George Floyd, this case isn’t the pinnacle example of a cold blooded murder going unpunished the left was up in arms rioting over.
I really don't care if he's innocent or guilty, it's not my business. Nobody in charge cares if he's innocent either. It's a psyop. They just waited until a black dude died in police custody, and started creating the narrative.
They want a police like the UK has; willing to act on their fellow citizens in extremely unethical and invasive ways when white people are involved. Here's the steps, and it's super fucking easy and working like a charm.
Create artificial racial divide, blame the system/police
Pit police and citizens against each other, police against police and citizen against citizen
When all comes to a head, throw the sacrificial officer under the bus. You are here
Instruct your police to not confront black people no matter the situation. News claims police are no longer racist and can be trusted - keep this narrative alive!
Police are soon knocking on your door for online wrong-think.
And now America is dead! Congrats, were an Islamic state in 2 decades.
Fentanyl Floyd fucked himself, no kneeling assist required.
100% not innocent definitely needs to change they way things are handled I do not support floyd in any way he was a drug addicted career criminal on that note he deserved more than what he got no-one should die over a $20(fake) or even a lil drugs could hav be handled differently with proper training (more than a few months) 6 guys could easily have take that man into custody without his death my opinion thats where change is needed years of training should be required
He didn't have to put him knee on Floyd's shoulder blade for 9 mins.
No, is isn't innocent.
Sorry, not gonna stand up for Cops.
They won't stand up for us.
Nope. I think Chauvin is a Trump hater that posed for a photo with his knee on that junkie's neck to stir up racial tensions. The way he was looking at the camera, like he was making sure it was being filmed. I'll never believe he wasn't in on this.
And I'm sure his FBI handlers promised he'd get off scot-free.
This is about whether or not this individual murdered someone. It's not about supporting an entire group.
You really are retarded.
I know he's innocent because I've bothered to examine all of the evidence. Read the original autopsy, all the arguments against, gone through all the videos over and over, the body cam, the transcripts, huge amounts of evidence.
I know he's innocent, it's a fact. If you've examined the material to claim that he is guilty might as well be as pointless as insisting that rain comes from the moon.
Unless someone has devoted some few hundred hours to studying all of the materials and different angles they should not take their opinion seriously in the matter and they have no right to comment on mine without equal endeavour.
The really aggravating thing is that charges should have been dropped long ago as soon as all the exonerating evidence came to light. It's their job to go through all the evidence, then drop the charges and to have to explain to people why, not mine.
I've been telling people for months now that the cops can't do anything when an angry crowd is bearing down on them. That they had every reason to believe that his inability to breath had other causes and that there's zero evidence for the knee having any significant impact.
People seem to have completely missed things in the original video like the aggression of that guy. His threatening tone, insults and things such as a racist bistander shouting racist abuse at Chauvin. Also him having to take out his mace as they were about to rush them, which one of them tried and had to be pushed back who then threatened to slap them. They commented in the ambulance that the crowd was aggressive. They called the ambulance to come in for emergency, ASAP, so the notion they were trying to kill him is bonkers.
I think he is probably "innocent" in the literal sense of the word because I haven't devoted tons of time into this but I have seen the long videos, original autopsy report and some testimony so I went from definitely guilty to probably not guilty.
At a minimum they did a horrific job of upholding the role of good police. Sure there was a hostile crowd but they helped create that situation by acting stupid and unprofessional.
I think if they had Narcan on them (which the chief of police claimed the officers normally have) and failed to render aid they have some culpability. But then its probably manslaughter at the very worst.
In the end it was a terrible situation made worse by lack of common sense.
To me what is more important and is extremely worrisome is how exculpatory evidence was held back from the general public until trial, how the media was so biased and one sided, and how prosecution is withholding evidence (original autopsy report). I heard there also wasn't a grand jury which I think violates the Constitution.
My first response to the video was the same as most people's but I'm used to checking, double checking and triple checking.
They didn't act stupid or unprofessional. There wasn't much they could do. They were effectively pinned down. They needed to have the guy restrained and also needed to keep an eye on the crowd. There aren't any magic words you can say to get an angry mob to calm down. Sometimes the only thing you can do is to wait, not do anything and let the EMT take care of it.
The paramedics themselves could not treat him at the scene because of the hostile crowd. They had to first drive a block away then stop so they could work on him properly.
At first when eliminating everything else I was left with him staying on Floyd and not examining just to check in the off chance restraint wasn't contributing. However after examining the situation clearly, Chauvin does try to check him out and evaluate but the crowd prevents him from focusing on Floyd by rushing him.
Much of this evidence and analysis has been publicly available it's just been suppressed. The trial has however brought in even more evidence of innocent when it had already reached the point that the evidence was enough to drop charges. For example the pills in the car and the reason for the ambulance not treating him at the scene is new.
However even just a couple of months after the evidence came out. The problem is the media. They know all this but they have been massively suppressing it, a media blackout. With big tech blocking stuff it's worse than a media circus. They are actively even obstructing conversations between people that are sceptical of the media narrative.
I have the original autopsy report. I'm in the UK. I had it a month or so after. The prosecution also sucks for continuing with charges but withholding is an understatement. It's available. That's just how bad the suppression is.
The "I Can't Breathe" meme is another engineered gaslight. Floyd clearly claimed this in the back of the police car in his drug induced paranoia, before he was on the ground and had nothing to do with the shoulder pin restraint.
I agree with most of what you said 100% but, and I would have to rewatch the video, I do seem to remember them taunting the crowd at several points especially the Asian cop. That's the part they did poorly.
He also didn't seem to completely follow procedure. I understand he is big guy and pressure holds are necessary but there were 4 of them. Like I said if they had Narcan and did nothing that is a hard pill to swallow. They use that on LivePD all the time in these kind of situations.
It's always a pain to find the original uncut cellphone footage. I think it's still on youtube somewhere but buried under loads of cuts.
Most of the outrage material out there or anger porn is not what it appears to be. I remember watching the Luke Monday video around 100 times and in slow motion, etc.
Turns out HE was being domestically abused. It sounds like he's beating her at first but it's just his headphones.
At some point you learn to get used to questioning everything.
I'm not sure if giving him stuff is a good idea if they don't know exactly what's wrong with him. I wouldn't assume LivePD is entirely accurate either.
Cops are trained for this. They give it for unknown substances all the time even for themselves, e.g.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X2gyUW3Psw8
Its good to question stuff for sure.
Fuck the police.
You'd say it too if you'd experienced it first hand. I'm not flopping. I did flip from support to fuck them after they fucked me and my boys at a flag rally.
So, the cops chose to be anti me. Fuck em.
Some cops fucked you over at a rally so you're going to take it out on a completely different cop?
Example: "Some black guy annoyed me the other day but too many people were around but later I saw a black kid alone and took it out on him."
That's the kind of thinking I see here.
I've had personal experiences with cops as well but when a particular cop gives me grief that's the cop whose face gets smashed in not whatever other cop I can get at.
You're ignorant and niave.
Good luck with that
The situation is that you have to question or test their loyalty in every case when engaging with the police. You're crossing the line to outright prejudice. You're forcing cops that aren't your enemy to be your enemy with that.
Any cop who stands by while the Constitution is trampled is my enemy.
ALL OF THEM, KID!
True. My opinion has been cemented in reality, not what I saw on YouTube.
Innocent? No. Guilty of murder? Also probably no. But this faggot clearly broke protocol with the neck restraint, which can only be used on someone who is actively resisting. It is not a preventative measure because it is dangerous. I could see him being guilty of manslaughter and I wouldn’t care. What I do care about is that this obviously won’t be enough to placate the angry mob.
I don't fucking care about this "choose a side" bullshit narrative.
STOP IT!
You don't care that some guy is being lynched for a murder he didn't commit?
I don't see anything that you're doing changing the outcome of this particular television show.
Am I wrong?
Side 1. Guys doing their jobs
Side 2. Habitual criminal drug addict home invaders.
Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and pick a side.
Ok. Tell us how that worked out next month
How what worked out?
Regardless of how the trial goes, Chauvin wasn't wrong in how he handled Floyd. If anything, he was too nice.
If he had just loaded him up and drove off, Floyd would have died in a cell of "an overdose" and Chauvin would be home with his family right now.
George Floyd was a junkie piece of shit, and the world is better off without him.
Ok.
Are you trying to convince anyone of his innocence? Because I promise you, his innocence doesn't matter
Eh...
I don't think he is "innocent"
I think he definitely helped floyd down the river styx that he was already body surfing on.
But we got a police problem in this country for sure.