I feel the same way, but in reverse (though I'd say that Voyager is great, rather than just alright, but I think DS9 is one of the greatest shows ever made.)
Still, wasn't all the old classic Star Treks just great? Before they ruined it in this current clown fucking universe?
DS9 was too much of a soap opera, and it permanently lost me in the episode where slavery is brought up and Sisko gets all uppity and tells the alien all about how black people were slaves in America, 500 years ago, and how it's still just a horrible open wound for all those black people in the future, then he turns to the screen to admonish the viewer about having slaves 150 years ago.
Then they kept doing time travel episodes where Sisko would go back in time and have to deal with prejudice because he was black.
The original series dealt with these issues, when there was still racial tension, by making a good black character and putting her right in people's face and never even making reference to it. Showing that people in the future had gotten over it, worked things out, and moved on with life. DS9 reversed that and showed that even 500 years from now, blacks still blame whites and America for slavery and that all the hatred still exists.
The show is also full of communist ideals, anti-Christianity and religion, but at the same time says we gotta accept the Bajorans worshipping wormhole aliens as gods or else we're intolerant. It was a SJW shitshow.
Yeah, I've watched DS9 multiple times, and I don't recall any episodes about Slavery at all. There was a TNG where Picard was preached at/preached at us about how the White Man was bad to the Indians. There was ONE episode where Sisko went back in time to around 2020, and was trapped in a Sanctuary District in San Francisco, surrounded by criminals and drug users and homeless, and he helps convince the government that people don't need handouts and free housing, they need JOBS, they need to Produce for Themselves.
Now, there was the episode where Sisko has a vision from the Prophets wherein he lives out the life of Sci-Fi writer Benny Russel, who writes a story called Deep Space Nine, but then encounters a pair of racists and gets the shit kicked out of him. Two bad guys, despite all of Benny's white co-workers being his good friends, even ready to quit their jobs in solidarity with him. The episode ends, though, with the Preacher of the Prophets telling him that he's both the Dreamer and the Dream, which to ME says that he both has the power to make the future better but ALSO that his current reality is indeed much better than it could have been in the past; a message of both personal responsibility and thankfulness. Not "Blame Whitey," but "Work for your own Dream."
Maybe you're thinking of one Final Season episode where Sisko doesn't want to go to Vic Fontaine's Vegas Casino on the Holosuite because it's set during the beginning Civil Rights movement, and he feels like it's a lie, that hides the problems of history... but then Cassidy Yates is like "Ben, stop being a jackass, we're beyond all that drama, people don't care about race anymore, why bring it up if it's no longer a problem?" And then Sisko is like "Shit, I AM being a jackass!" and he helps everyone save Vic and the Casino and he and Vic perform a duet of "The Best is Yet to Come" at the end, a celebration of how everyone can work together and it doesn't matter if anyone is Black or White or even Ferengi.
Full of communist ideals? Like all the times that Nog and his business sense helps Jake, Sisko, Chief O'Brien, Major Kira, Dax, Dr. Bashir, Garak, Leeta, pretty much EVERYONE get things they need and live better lives? Like the episode where he explains that the Great Material River provides for everyone, if they can navigate its current? Anti-Christianity? WHEN? Show me ONE example.
EVERY SINGLE THING YOU HAVE SAID IS BULLSHIT. Don't Strawman. We're supposed to be better (smarter) than that, because it's so FUCKING easy to tear down when someone actually knows what he's talking about.
Are you fucking kidding me? Star Trek is literally the communist utopia. The one world government, equality of outcome, no currency, everyone "provided for" no matter how much or how little they work by government. The ferengi, being the only capitalist society, are swindlers and con artists that are looked down upon by everyone else. Picard saying how they've evolved past the primitive notions of personal possessions and wealth. There is communist and socialist bullshit all throughout Star Trek.
When it comes to religion, Roddenberry was an atheist and that came through into Star Trek all the time. Every "god" in Star Trek just turned out to be some alien, with high technology, that wanted to be a dick. Whenever a religion is encountered in a Star Trek show, it's always trouble for the crew and derided as primitive superstition.
As far as the episode where Sisko gets preach about black slavery in America, it definitely happened. I'll leave it up to you to find it because you're far more likely to rewatch the show than I am. You'll come across it and see what I mean though.
PS: Shove that last paragraph straight up your ass. The aggressiveness of your response is why I'm not dedicating any more time to this conversation than this post. You couldn't keep it civil, so I'm not going to fucking indulge you any further, dickhead.
I feel the same way, but in reverse (though I'd say that Voyager is great, rather than just alright, but I think DS9 is one of the greatest shows ever made.)
Still, wasn't all the old classic Star Treks just great? Before they ruined it in this current clown fucking universe?
DS9 was too much of a soap opera, and it permanently lost me in the episode where slavery is brought up and Sisko gets all uppity and tells the alien all about how black people were slaves in America, 500 years ago, and how it's still just a horrible open wound for all those black people in the future, then he turns to the screen to admonish the viewer about having slaves 150 years ago.
Then they kept doing time travel episodes where Sisko would go back in time and have to deal with prejudice because he was black.
The original series dealt with these issues, when there was still racial tension, by making a good black character and putting her right in people's face and never even making reference to it. Showing that people in the future had gotten over it, worked things out, and moved on with life. DS9 reversed that and showed that even 500 years from now, blacks still blame whites and America for slavery and that all the hatred still exists.
The show is also full of communist ideals, anti-Christianity and religion, but at the same time says we gotta accept the Bajorans worshipping wormhole aliens as gods or else we're intolerant. It was a SJW shitshow.
Yeah, I've watched DS9 multiple times, and I don't recall any episodes about Slavery at all. There was a TNG where Picard was preached at/preached at us about how the White Man was bad to the Indians. There was ONE episode where Sisko went back in time to around 2020, and was trapped in a Sanctuary District in San Francisco, surrounded by criminals and drug users and homeless, and he helps convince the government that people don't need handouts and free housing, they need JOBS, they need to Produce for Themselves.
Now, there was the episode where Sisko has a vision from the Prophets wherein he lives out the life of Sci-Fi writer Benny Russel, who writes a story called Deep Space Nine, but then encounters a pair of racists and gets the shit kicked out of him. Two bad guys, despite all of Benny's white co-workers being his good friends, even ready to quit their jobs in solidarity with him. The episode ends, though, with the Preacher of the Prophets telling him that he's both the Dreamer and the Dream, which to ME says that he both has the power to make the future better but ALSO that his current reality is indeed much better than it could have been in the past; a message of both personal responsibility and thankfulness. Not "Blame Whitey," but "Work for your own Dream."
Maybe you're thinking of one Final Season episode where Sisko doesn't want to go to Vic Fontaine's Vegas Casino on the Holosuite because it's set during the beginning Civil Rights movement, and he feels like it's a lie, that hides the problems of history... but then Cassidy Yates is like "Ben, stop being a jackass, we're beyond all that drama, people don't care about race anymore, why bring it up if it's no longer a problem?" And then Sisko is like "Shit, I AM being a jackass!" and he helps everyone save Vic and the Casino and he and Vic perform a duet of "The Best is Yet to Come" at the end, a celebration of how everyone can work together and it doesn't matter if anyone is Black or White or even Ferengi.
Full of communist ideals? Like all the times that Nog and his business sense helps Jake, Sisko, Chief O'Brien, Major Kira, Dax, Dr. Bashir, Garak, Leeta, pretty much EVERYONE get things they need and live better lives? Like the episode where he explains that the Great Material River provides for everyone, if they can navigate its current? Anti-Christianity? WHEN? Show me ONE example.
EVERY SINGLE THING YOU HAVE SAID IS BULLSHIT. Don't Strawman. We're supposed to be better (smarter) than that, because it's so FUCKING easy to tear down when someone actually knows what he's talking about.
Are you fucking kidding me? Star Trek is literally the communist utopia. The one world government, equality of outcome, no currency, everyone "provided for" no matter how much or how little they work by government. The ferengi, being the only capitalist society, are swindlers and con artists that are looked down upon by everyone else. Picard saying how they've evolved past the primitive notions of personal possessions and wealth. There is communist and socialist bullshit all throughout Star Trek.
When it comes to religion, Roddenberry was an atheist and that came through into Star Trek all the time. Every "god" in Star Trek just turned out to be some alien, with high technology, that wanted to be a dick. Whenever a religion is encountered in a Star Trek show, it's always trouble for the crew and derided as primitive superstition.
As far as the episode where Sisko gets preach about black slavery in America, it definitely happened. I'll leave it up to you to find it because you're far more likely to rewatch the show than I am. You'll come across it and see what I mean though.
PS: Shove that last paragraph straight up your ass. The aggressiveness of your response is why I'm not dedicating any more time to this conversation than this post. You couldn't keep it civil, so I'm not going to fucking indulge you any further, dickhead.