I had guys at work saying he wasn’t on drugs, or that it was such a small amount it wouldn’t have killed him, according to some expert witness (which I pointed out was paid for by the prosecution). I pointed out the coroner’s report and toxicology report... blank stares and disbelief.
Yeah even a lot of people here are saying “well gee the testimony seems to support wrongdoing” for fucks sake the trial is still all prosecution witnesses and he’ll half of them have already helped the defense.
The truth of the whole things is most likely that Chauvin was an asshole who was used to abusing his power while at the same time he was not responsible for Floyd's death.
I’m sure it’s not too difficult to find again, as long as you aren’t trying to look on any of the big tech platforms because I’m sure it’s memory holed there.
Here's why fentanyl OD is ruled out as cause of death: you go into a coma. Not only did GF never go into a coma, his respiratory rate was 22 breaths per minute. That's top of the range for NORMAL, while fentanyl slows respiratory rate.
The most defense can do with that is point out the exertion would raise rate, but this doesn't help the case.
Death by heart attack is also ruled out. ME who did the autopsy said heart disease was a "substantial contributer" to death. I think defense won't try to challenge any of this but will use it to raise doubt. I don't think they'll get a murder conviction, but I'm not sure of the definition of murder 3 in MN. Unintentional or negligent manslaughter may be hard to beat. I think defense tries to get Chauvin out in 2 years.
We'll see what witnesses defense calls, I think prosecution has like 4 more medical experts to call first.
I’ll be the first to admit, I actually have a job, a life, and other responsibilities, so I don’t have all the information but do try to understand it from both sides.
That being said, my understanding of fentanyl seems a bit different than yours amd other sources seem to line up with my understanding. https://www.addictionhope.com/blog/fentanyl-cause-death/: “ In most cases, deaths associated with a fentanyl overdose occur due to respiratory depression. Another fatal consequence of a fentanyl overdose is cardiac arrest, as the drug slows down the heart rate and lowers the blood pressure.”
You don’t go into a coma when your respiratory system is depressed. Your breathing slows, or stops. Essentially you aren’t getting any oxygen. And his gf likely didn’t go into a coma because she may not have ingested it/all/as much. Plenty of evidence to suggest that when confronted by police Floyd ingested what he had rather than having it found on his person.
I was unaware she had her own tox report confirming the level of fentanyl in her system. Did she admit to taking a specific amount?
I believe they just purchased it from the drug dealer, who WAS a state witness until the gf outed him as such and he decided to take the 5th since his selling of drugs to a guy who clearly overdosed would leave him culpable to murder under state law.
Also, he clearly DIDNT survive the full dose of fentanyl. If you are arguing the fentanyl didn’t contribute, that’s a stretch. But he clearly didn’t survive.
Yup.
I had guys at work saying he wasn’t on drugs, or that it was such a small amount it wouldn’t have killed him, according to some expert witness (which I pointed out was paid for by the prosecution). I pointed out the coroner’s report and toxicology report... blank stares and disbelief.
Cities will burn
Yeah even a lot of people here are saying “well gee the testimony seems to support wrongdoing” for fucks sake the trial is still all prosecution witnesses and he’ll half of them have already helped the defense.
The truth of the whole things is most likely that Chauvin was an asshole who was used to abusing his power while at the same time he was not responsible for Floyd's death.
FFS he wasn’t even abusing his power on this stop. Everything he did was well within policy.
Not off hand, but I did just come across this article: https://spectator.org/minnesota-v-derek-chauvin-et-al-the-prosecutions-dirty-little-secret/ which touches on the subject.
I’m sure it’s not too difficult to find again, as long as you aren’t trying to look on any of the big tech platforms because I’m sure it’s memory holed there.
We have always been at war with east Asia!
Nearly 4x the minimum lethal dose.
Here's why fentanyl OD is ruled out as cause of death: you go into a coma. Not only did GF never go into a coma, his respiratory rate was 22 breaths per minute. That's top of the range for NORMAL, while fentanyl slows respiratory rate.
The most defense can do with that is point out the exertion would raise rate, but this doesn't help the case.
Death by heart attack is also ruled out. ME who did the autopsy said heart disease was a "substantial contributer" to death. I think defense won't try to challenge any of this but will use it to raise doubt. I don't think they'll get a murder conviction, but I'm not sure of the definition of murder 3 in MN. Unintentional or negligent manslaughter may be hard to beat. I think defense tries to get Chauvin out in 2 years.
We'll see what witnesses defense calls, I think prosecution has like 4 more medical experts to call first.
Yea he definitely ODd
I’ll be the first to admit, I actually have a job, a life, and other responsibilities, so I don’t have all the information but do try to understand it from both sides.
That being said, my understanding of fentanyl seems a bit different than yours amd other sources seem to line up with my understanding. https://www.addictionhope.com/blog/fentanyl-cause-death/: “ In most cases, deaths associated with a fentanyl overdose occur due to respiratory depression. Another fatal consequence of a fentanyl overdose is cardiac arrest, as the drug slows down the heart rate and lowers the blood pressure.”
You don’t go into a coma when your respiratory system is depressed. Your breathing slows, or stops. Essentially you aren’t getting any oxygen. And his gf likely didn’t go into a coma because she may not have ingested it/all/as much. Plenty of evidence to suggest that when confronted by police Floyd ingested what he had rather than having it found on his person.
If you are interested in the truth, try reading more here: https://spectator.org/minnesota-v-derek-chauvin-et-al-the-prosecutions-dirty-little-secret/
It's definitely true that GF was on fent, with a bit of meth. It's also true he had been on his full dose of fent and had survived.
By your own definition, fent OD is contraindicated by GF's observed behavior.
I was unaware she had her own tox report confirming the level of fentanyl in her system. Did she admit to taking a specific amount?
I believe they just purchased it from the drug dealer, who WAS a state witness until the gf outed him as such and he decided to take the 5th since his selling of drugs to a guy who clearly overdosed would leave him culpable to murder under state law.
Also, he clearly DIDNT survive the full dose of fentanyl. If you are arguing the fentanyl didn’t contribute, that’s a stretch. But he clearly didn’t survive.
Drugs are bad, m’kay.