You’re being a bit obtuse here. If it wasn’t the “knee on the neck” how on earth could chauvin possibly be responsible for Floyd’s heart attack ? The charges all predicate chauvin doing something that caused Floyd to die. What was the thing he did that could have caused Floyd to have a heart attack? Did chauvin feed Floyd junk food and drugs for thirty years ?
The care was demonstrated by calling for ems then requesting ems come more quickly once he felt like Floyd was not doing well. If chauvin wanted him to die or to allow him to die by inaction he wouldn’t have taken these actions. The context of excited delerium and a gathering hostile crowd required Floyd to be kept restrained as well.
Cardiac arrest is essentially the same. His heart failed, it wasn’t a blockage so not technically a heart attack but a rhythm issue caused by drugs and heart disease.
GF did not die of heart arrhythmia. That was questioned at length with Baker, who did the autopsy. 100% ruled out. How do you intend to follow that to establish it as fact?
Nothing observed by EMTs is arrhythmia, that too was questioned exhaustively.
Cause of death: not heart disease or drugs. 100% ruled out, again by Baker, in excrutiating detail. Every other medical expert concurs to the extent they can, based on their area of expertise.
Defense would have an incredibly hard time overturning any of this as fact. I think it would be foolish to try. I also think he did a great job of probing for all this and more, even though none of the lawyers knew what questions to ask any of the medical experts.
Defense will have the opportunity to try all this with their own witnesses though. It'll be interesting to see what he does
His official cause of death was cardio pulmonary arrest, which (come the fuck on) is what we would consider colloquially a heart attack. So what did Chauvin do that would’ve given this drug addict a heart attack ? Not a god damn thing.
Heart specialist testified today that arrhythmias create visible signs as they happen that weren't present, and GF's heart disease wouldn't cause that.
Well the state is almost done and has a weak case so let’s see how it goes once the defense gets their turn.
“the conduct itself must in some manner be legally wrongful. If the conduct was lawful, it cannot be the basis for criminal liability.”
This will be almost impossible for the state, if the jury are impartial.
“even if Chauvin’s use of force on Floyd made a significant contribution to Floyd’s death, it’s not a crime unless that use of force was not justified under the totality of the circumstances, and thus if the force was justified it is not wrongful and not the basis for criminal liability.“
You’re being a bit obtuse here. If it wasn’t the “knee on the neck” how on earth could chauvin possibly be responsible for Floyd’s heart attack ? The charges all predicate chauvin doing something that caused Floyd to die. What was the thing he did that could have caused Floyd to have a heart attack? Did chauvin feed Floyd junk food and drugs for thirty years ?
The care was demonstrated by calling for ems then requesting ems come more quickly once he felt like Floyd was not doing well. If chauvin wanted him to die or to allow him to die by inaction he wouldn’t have taken these actions. The context of excited delerium and a gathering hostile crowd required Floyd to be kept restrained as well.
Heart attack at any point in GF's life is 100% ruled out by autopsy.
Cardiac arrest is essentially the same. His heart failed, it wasn’t a blockage so not technically a heart attack but a rhythm issue caused by drugs and heart disease.
"A rhythm issue"
That's arrhythmia
GF did not die of heart arrhythmia. That was questioned at length with Baker, who did the autopsy. 100% ruled out. How do you intend to follow that to establish it as fact?
Nothing observed by EMTs is arrhythmia, that too was questioned exhaustively.
Cause of death: not heart disease or drugs. 100% ruled out, again by Baker, in excrutiating detail. Every other medical expert concurs to the extent they can, based on their area of expertise.
Defense would have an incredibly hard time overturning any of this as fact. I think it would be foolish to try. I also think he did a great job of probing for all this and more, even though none of the lawyers knew what questions to ask any of the medical experts.
Defense will have the opportunity to try all this with their own witnesses though. It'll be interesting to see what he does
His official cause of death was cardio pulmonary arrest, which (come the fuck on) is what we would consider colloquially a heart attack. So what did Chauvin do that would’ve given this drug addict a heart attack ? Not a god damn thing.
Heart specialist testified today that arrhythmias create visible signs as they happen that weren't present, and GF's heart disease wouldn't cause that.
Well the state is almost done and has a weak case so let’s see how it goes once the defense gets their turn.
“the conduct itself must in some manner be legally wrongful. If the conduct was lawful, it cannot be the basis for criminal liability.”
This will be almost impossible for the state, if the jury are impartial.
“even if Chauvin’s use of force on Floyd made a significant contribution to Floyd’s death, it’s not a crime unless that use of force was not justified under the totality of the circumstances, and thus if the force was justified it is not wrongful and not the basis for criminal liability.“