Sounds about right. They certainly converted to Christianity relatively quickly, though... I've seen a coat of arms granted by the Prussian king for preaching/spreading Christianity in like 1250.
> stayed in his borders
Difficult to say regarding Poland. There's too much propaganda for me to decipher a clear truth as to what the actual catalyst was... But at that point it doesn't seem he had much of a say with regards to the conflict with western powers... Though the Russian war he started (AFAIK) was definitely a massive logistics fuck up.
There were a lot of other things he fucked up too... I'm sure the meth had something to do with that.
Agree with you about the negative/positive myths, the goal of anyone should be truth. My original point was just to say he wasn't going for global domination, which is essentially what is taught and the original commenter was pushing
My original point was just to say he wasn't going for global domination
But he was certainly going for Eurasian domination. Also the fact that he first declared war on USA even though he totally didn't have to... at least show as a massive blunder.
Difficult to say regarding Poland. There's too much propaganda for me to decipher a clear truth as to what the actual catalyst was...
Ok, then let me tell you at least one thing.
German Navy was coming every year to Poland for anniversary of sinking of the SMS Magdeburg on the 25th of August. It was always a diplomatic, peaceful thing, done year after year since the First World War ended.
In 1939 they came on SMS Schleswig-Holstein, jacked up to the brim with artillery shells and hidden group of navy soldiers, when it was always a smaller, more "celebratory" kind of ship. It was kept secret up until the 1 of September 4:45 AM.
The only one Polish official that was in any way aware of it was subsequently kept captive (I'm entirely sure about this) and (not sure on this one) probably killed before he could pass the word forward and before the 1st of September.
Anyone saying that Poland somehow started this shit by some covert sneaky action is most likely lying. There were tensions about Danzig/Gdańsk but that's a lot deeper can of worms here.
I'm a bit rusty on that, but I'd suggest that (like Japan, if not because of Japan) he didn't really start that. E.g.: Japan didn't just randomly decide to bomb Pearl Harbor. USA declared war, basically, on Japan prior to that by seizing and freezing their assets, which was fucked up IMO (China and Japan had been at war for centuries & when Japan finally gets the upper hand it's a "no-no")
> Poland
Wasn't aware of the naval situation you brought up. One of the things I was referring to was stories of german poles fleeing Poland to Germany with an allegation of slaughter... But like I said, it's difficult to ascertain the truth... Even on the main points.
Frankly I'm not so sure America should have been involved in the war to begin with
I'm also a little bit rusty about the economic relations prior to the end of 1941, but I know that technically Hitler declared war on USA first a few days after Pearl Harbor, when he technically could just disregard it.
And I think that at least once it might crossed his mind because he was opportunistic with his picks of allies - see, former pact with Soviet Union.
There are many speculations by legit, objective historians that conflict Germany v USA could be either avoided or significantly postponed if it wasn't for Hitlers declaration of war.
> Prussia was pagan in 12th century
Sounds about right. They certainly converted to Christianity relatively quickly, though... I've seen a coat of arms granted by the Prussian king for preaching/spreading Christianity in like 1250.
> stayed in his borders
Difficult to say regarding Poland. There's too much propaganda for me to decipher a clear truth as to what the actual catalyst was... But at that point it doesn't seem he had much of a say with regards to the conflict with western powers... Though the Russian war he started (AFAIK) was definitely a massive logistics fuck up.
There were a lot of other things he fucked up too... I'm sure the meth had something to do with that.
Agree with you about the negative/positive myths, the goal of anyone should be truth. My original point was just to say he wasn't going for global domination, which is essentially what is taught and the original commenter was pushing
But he was certainly going for Eurasian domination. Also the fact that he first declared war on USA even though he totally didn't have to... at least show as a massive blunder.
Ok, then let me tell you at least one thing.
German Navy was coming every year to Poland for anniversary of sinking of the SMS Magdeburg on the 25th of August. It was always a diplomatic, peaceful thing, done year after year since the First World War ended.
In 1939 they came on SMS Schleswig-Holstein, jacked up to the brim with artillery shells and hidden group of navy soldiers, when it was always a smaller, more "celebratory" kind of ship. It was kept secret up until the 1 of September 4:45 AM.
The only one Polish official that was in any way aware of it was subsequently kept captive (I'm entirely sure about this) and (not sure on this one) probably killed before he could pass the word forward and before the 1st of September.
Anyone saying that Poland somehow started this shit by some covert sneaky action is most likely lying. There were tensions about Danzig/Gdańsk but that's a lot deeper can of worms here.
> declared war in the USA
I'm a bit rusty on that, but I'd suggest that (like Japan, if not because of Japan) he didn't really start that. E.g.: Japan didn't just randomly decide to bomb Pearl Harbor. USA declared war, basically, on Japan prior to that by seizing and freezing their assets, which was fucked up IMO (China and Japan had been at war for centuries & when Japan finally gets the upper hand it's a "no-no")
> Poland
Wasn't aware of the naval situation you brought up. One of the things I was referring to was stories of german poles fleeing Poland to Germany with an allegation of slaughter... But like I said, it's difficult to ascertain the truth... Even on the main points.
Frankly I'm not so sure America should have been involved in the war to begin with
I'm also a little bit rusty about the economic relations prior to the end of 1941, but I know that technically Hitler declared war on USA first a few days after Pearl Harbor, when he technically could just disregard it.
And I think that at least once it might crossed his mind because he was opportunistic with his picks of allies - see, former pact with Soviet Union.
There are many speculations by legit, objective historians that conflict Germany v USA could be either avoided or significantly postponed if it wasn't for Hitlers declaration of war.