Names like “Jalecia Latoria” are referred to as Ghetto Names.
That is officially what they’re called.
So she had 9 kids which means any of the 9 baby daddies could be the killer. Or possibly a new unnamed 10th potential baby daddy.
Damnit, if I were black and lived in the ghetto I’d be trying to clean this shit up somehow. I don’t know how but I’d think of something because even animals don’t have nine baby daddies like this. If anyone needs to be protested it’s baby mommas and baby daddies. Getting rid of the ghetto names would probably help too. Nobody else on the planet uses made up random ghetto names like this.
Most people with names like this who have a grain of sense will get them changed and if they get a PhD then it will be in some worthwhile subject. It seems this woman decided to embrace her victimhood and get a worthless PhD, which basically means she didn’t think she had anything going for her except novelty value.
Actually, according to a thread on another website that is black oriented.. 10 kids. 9 boys and an infant girl. Didn't have custody of some of them. One of the boys already tangled up with the Julie system. What a nasty mess.
These girls are brutally beating each other and people are filming it, laughing. We got to get that out of our hearts,” said Florence.
They say the shooting occurred in a crowded parking lot. No time of day? What is the parking lot crowded for? Leaving out details is how the media protects scumbags.
Shreveport police say two women got into a fight, and when it got heated, another family member got involved. Officers say the boyfriend of one of the women pulled out a gun and shot Jennings.
So, are they say she got involved in a massive fight with all of her 9 children present? To me, she must have been winning because that’s the only time the weak want to pull guns out to solve problems that their fists couldn’t. But what example was she setting for her children? They might be better off without her. God doesn’t make mistakes, folks.
How God commanded us to handle situations like this:
when she was pregnant with the first, she would have to name the man or she would be put to death.
if the man married her, then they would spare both their lives. If they got divorced, instant death for the man.
if the man refused then he would be put to death. If it's clear it wasn't rape she would be put to death too.
if the second child was not from the first man then she would be put to death along with the second man.
if she was murdered her husband and his family would hunt the murderer and kill him. The murderers family could beg for mercy and/or the murderer could flee to a sanctuary city to be put on trial. If he wins, he would have to stay in the city until the next Jubilee (70 years). If he loses he is kicked out and the family kills him.
I once met someone like this a long time ago. It was an eye opening experience. She went on about how she didn’t need no man. She got c-amount of money per kid, and her mom got some ridiculous amount from the state to babysit her own grandkids!
The only reason she had a job at 7-11 is because she was required to a) have a job where she worked at least 32-hours a week and b) a job that provided insurance, even though she wasn’t required to have it for anyone other than herself.
No faggot. It's anti....welfare, entitlement mentality, emboldened criminal culture, nuclear family hating, white hating, America hating, ungrateful black CULTURE.
LOL, just saw that you said "Occasional help when struggling is fine." to someone else in this thread. WHAAAAATTTT?????? PLEASE REVIEW YOUR I-HATE-BLACKS-BECAUSE-WELFARE ARGUMENT IN LIGHT OF THESE NEW COMMENTS, SIR.
Okay, even though I have a very hard time seeing any difference between being anti-Black and being anti-Black CULTURE, I'll bite.
I'll take your claim one point at a time.
~~~~~~Welfare~~~~~~
The biggest recipients of the original welfare that was The New Deal were white! The government assistance that lifted us out of the Depression was largely enjoyed by those of the Caucasian persuasion and, in many practical applications of its programs, outright excluded Black people. There are sooooo many examples of this, how much time do you have??? And right now I'm just talking about the 1930's! Black people being excluded from everything from good union jobs to housing enabled the generational wealth gap that continues to manifest today (and explains why Black households need help buying luxury items like food and health insurance!) I'm not going to argue that Black people don't use government help but I will argue that it is out of genuine need, just like alllll of the many white people who use it (more than Black people, by the way).
75.8% of the head-of-households who receive foodstamps are WHITE.
Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=s2201&tid=ACSST1Y2019.S2201&hidePreview=false (Data is from 2019)
Objecting on a policy level to the concept of welfare is one thing, projecting negative qualities onto an entire group of people for accepting the help is another.
~~~~~~Entitlement Mentality~~~~~~
This one is pure jokes. Black people do NOT have an "entitlement mentality", like what does that even mean??? I'm being serious here, can you support that claim please? And be specific. Entitled to what? Life? Entitled to have food? To not die from grinding poverty??? To not experience discrimination? Or are you one of those who believe that Black people are poor by choice/as dictated by their inherent qualities?
~~~~~~Emboldened Criminal Culture~~~~~~
Guy, I hate to break it to you and this will come as quite the shock if you've never heard it before but Black people were kidnapped from Africa, raped, tortured and murdered for centuries while being forced to create wealth for white America for free, then, post-Emancipation, had their very existence criminal-IZED by laser-focused laws designed to exclude them from upward mobility and true liberty. Slavery was TWO CONSECUTIVE GRANDMAS AGO. Jim Crow laws were enforced up until today's Boomers were in HIGH SCHOOL. As a result of that shit, white households currently hold !!!!7.8 times!!!! the wealth that Black households do. Black people did not CHOOSE poverty, America chose poverty for Black people. With poverty comes crime. The US Dept. of Justice concluded in reports on the matter that "the typical offender is undereducated, unemployed, and living in poverty before incarceration" and that is only the very most corny of allll the many sources that have brought scientific evidence to bear on that matter. Your anger towards Black people would be better focused on the system that impoverished an entire group of humans on purpose.
~~~~~~Nuclear Family Hating~~~~~~
Again, I'm going to have to ask for evidence of this "hate". I assume you are referring to the rate of single-parent households among Black Americans. Is this really a situation you think Black people love? When you as a group are forced into a situation of poverty and general resource-insecurity (which I would like to reiterate is not a condition that ANY human chooses for themselves or their children) there are certain perks you get to enjoy such as everyone you know getting thrown in prison all the time! Or being caught up in all manner of other hellish nightmares that come with a resource-insecure existence! You can't watch someone's toes get chopped off then say you hate them because they clearly looove limping.
~~~~~~White Hating~~~~~~
Ok, this one is really just a brain twister. You are hating on Black people in this very post! For the sake of argument, if you weren't being hated before, would it be allowed now, based on your logic, because you are "Black Hating"?
Anyway.
The Black community does not blindly hate white people. Europeans came to America and created a Hell on Earth for Africans, singularly evil in its creativity, longevity and ability to mutate to fit the times. As can be imagined, this reality was not lost on the people subject to it's cruel machinations and OBJECTIONS WERE RAISED. The objections continue because the conditions continue. What do you do when you are denied liberty?
~~~~~~America Hating~~~~~~
See above. This whole line of accusations is the most fragile thing imaginable. In what way could Black Americans be allowed to object to myriad injustices without you perceiving it as "America Hating". Black Americans are American. Wanting your country to be better is not hate. Honest critiques are not hatred. In fact (and if you are a parent or a teacher you would understand this) they are LOVE.
~~~~~~Ungrateful~~~~~~
Dude. Ungrateful for WHAT.
Bottom line, your thinking is twisted and deserves scrutiny. How people in this movement can cry about everyone calling us racist "unjustly" is beyond me because I can't have fun for ten minutes on any of these platforms without being dick-slapped by the most heinous anti-Blackness imaginable. WE CAN DO BETTER. If you are supposed to be so fucking based, if you're supposed to understand so fully that THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED, why can't you have understanding for and solidarity with people who have been at the shit end of that rigging for so long?
Black Americans bend over backwards to help Black communities deal with the problems that arise from being in an oppressed economic and social condition. Violence, education, poverty, opportunity, these are all areas that are SWIMMING in Black-led organizations or even individuals giving their all to improve things.
Just say you believe Black people are inherently violent and ignorant and go. Try not to get hurt when you're jerking off with your skull calipers.
How is it anti-black to say you want things to improve for black society such that baby mommas with seven baby daddies and nine kids aren’t getting murdered?
The fact is that this happens to some extent with white people as well, but black society has just made this stuff so socially acceptable that if you point out how sick and dysfunctional it is then you get called “anti-black” as though this sort of thing were just normal for black people or something. And then you have organizations like BLM trying to make it even worse than it already is.
Please tell me with a straight emoji face that you read this thread as being a genuine expression of desire for things to improve for Black society. This thread is BLAMING Black people for their condition within society. Saying "black society has made this stuff so socially acceptable" is extremely chicken-before-the-egg. No one, NO ONE (NO. ONE.) is claiming that poverty and the various ills that come with it are anything less than sick and dysfunctional. Poverty in modern America is HELL. That is why nobody, NOBODY (NO. BODY) chooses to live in poverty, among crime, in conditions that preclude you and your children from good education and health care. THESE THINGS ARE OBJECTIVELY BAD.
When you say that black society has "made" this stuff socially acceptable, what do you mean? Are you referring to the fact that Black art DESCRIBES these conditions, exists WITHIN them? Or do you mean that Black people somehow inherently enjoy hell and have embarked on a project to normalize sick, dysfunctional shit for fun?
Black people did not choose their socio-economic condition. Directing hate towards them instead of towards the system that put them there is anti-Black.
BE POOR. I'm floored. My passive-voice shoulder demon has such a huge boner it's plugging my ear.
But seriously, I want to answer your question because I'm so so sick of this disconnect that allows humans to be convinced that its cool to dehumanize other humans and still consider yourself Not The Bad Guy.
My point in addressing this heinous thread is to address the FALSE nature of the aspersions and stigmas cast unfairly upon Black people, often using stories like this, which is honestly the weirdest behavior. A mom died! Holy shit! You're mocking her name?? FOR WHY????????
I want to make it clear that we don't know if she was experiencing a lack of resources! I've looked to see what details about her and her family have been made public and for all we know she and her family were living a fulfilled, abundant life. From the pictures of her with her family it is clear that they were dearly loved. Her death was a tragedy and there are now nine children who have lost someone who I'm sure was a great mother.
Yes, she had nine kids.
Like this white person who notes that in her experience, having many kids will invite scorn in modern society. Interesting how in her case that scorn didn't come packaged with condemnation of her whole phenotype to a hell they asked for and deserve, right??? Weird.
I'll give you one guess as to what race Kate and Ray Vandegrift of Jenkintown, Pennsylania identify as. ELEVEN kids and here's a direct quote for you
"We had them,” says Kate, 43. “We didn’t think, ‘Could we afford you or not?’”
WELL DOESN'T THAT SOUND LIKE A QUOTE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED AND USED IN THIS HERE VERY THREAD TO MOCK AND CONDEMN BLACK PEOPLE IF JALECIA HAD SAID THAT.
I'm not saying what is or is not a bad choice. That's obviously subjective (except when it comes to harming others and it can be easily argued that a mother is not always doing harm to her kids by having many because she may be doing just fine at keeping them safe and loved. Women are fucking legendary at that.).
BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT BAD CHOICES AS AN EXCUSE FOR YOUR ANTI-BLACKNESS? You just wish Black people would stop making bad choices so society could improve? Really?
Okay.
Why didn't this white person's bad choices so rightfully bestow upon their larger group the pain of socio-economic oppression? Because that's not how it works. White people get away with so many bad decisions (see: the plot of Varsity Blues the movie, the existence of Varsity Blues the movie, drinking entire glasses of milk with meals for quite a few decades, WeWork etc) but also literally sooooooo many crimes. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.
You know what the vast majority of theft is? Like, as in MOST THEFT PERIOD? Wage theft. Which race you s'pose is doing that, eh? Funny that white people don't experience the torturous fate that, as I've learned at your feet, is rightfully due to groups whose whose members transgress in such a way.
Make all the claims you want about why you would blame Black people for the inequality they experience rather than the system (as in the entire economic AND social system, inextricable as they are) and there are countless examples of white people doing way worse with no stigma to their group, no blame laid at the feet of white culture. Until recently, that is, which I guess is why people are going so fucking batshit with the illogical and ancient racist shit, it's like some kind of frantic backlash to the reality of our complex world and the racial injustices therein being even BARELY acknowledged. And I just think this behavior is a huge unforced error that we need to confront then cut the fuck out.
I agree there’s a system problem but it’s not what BLM claims it is. I agree with Starr Parker https://curepolicy.org/star-parker/ on most things. BLM is actually part of the system that’s causing this poverty and attempts to game the welfare system with their “disrupt the nuclear family” and stuff.
But it’s true that people, including black people, have to take responsibility for their own decisions like Starr Parker did. There’s a system that’s been set up so it can be gamed by being a baby momma (welfare plus child support) but nobody is forcing anyone to participate in that game, (especially these days when employers are actually biased toward hiring black people and not against them.) The ones actively participating have to take responsibility for their participation and the ones acting like it’s normal or something (like BLM) need to take responsibility for trying to normalize it.
Thank you for engaging with my points, I really appreciate it. Not many other people here seem willing to do that.
Black Lives Matter is one organization. They are NOT the movement for Black liberation, which has existed since Black people were dragged to these shores in chains. The Black liberation movement is extremely clear on the violence, persecution, exclusion, extraction and oppression Black people face. They are not mistaken, they are not exaggerating, they are not playing victim.
While I'm not here to defend an organization (and I have my own issues with Black Lives Matter that have no place in this discussion) it is quite the claim to say that BLM is causing poverty. Can you expand on that claim?
About the nuclear family stuff, I think it's important to not have a knee-jerk reaction to hearing that position and assuming that it is some sort of advocacy for single-parenthood. It's actually the opposite! People (not just BLM) who find the nuclear family to be a departure from indigenous, rural and other older ways of living are advocating for MORE family, not less. We used to live in villages. We used to live with our ENTIRE family our entire lives! Multiple families all growing up together, each helping teach each other things they specialized in, growing stable communities that lived and died for one another. Western paradigms only caused the nuclear family to be the dominant family structure by the 1960's and 70's!! You know, when "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" by Simon and Garfunkle and "Black Magic Woman" by Santana were recorded. As in, literally recently! Industrialization and other factors incentivized changing our behavior and saw us moving out of the house immediately upon turning 18 to create a completely separate unit. There are terms today like "the grandmother effect", a concept that oo's and ahh's at the scientific proof of how much children benefit from the (today, rare) situation of having a grandmother living in the same house as them - something we used to do all the time!
I actually never knew that BLM said anything about the nuclear family (but I am familiar with and sympathetic to the criticism of the nuclear family trend that I hear in other circles) so I looked it up and what they actually said is right in line with the position I described above:
“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”
When you talk about the need for people to take responsibility for their own actions, do you believe that its either or? Either we have government assistance programs OR people can take responsibility for their on actions? I don't believe that one precludes the other. I believe that Black people DO take responsibility for their own actions. I do not see support for the claim that government assistance programs exist because responsibility is not being taken. You can be as responsible as humanely possible and still get the short end of the stick, especially if your family was poor for generations before you were born and especially if you are Black in America.
There’s a system that’s been set up so it can be gamed by being a baby momma
Poor people deserve help. It's the corporate welfare we throw around like bottle service that I believe we ALL have common cause to be righteously angry about.
The idea that a woman would HAVE A BABY and RAISE A BABY all for the welfare dollars is just completely absurd on its face. People say "being a baby mama" like it's being an organ donor - just a box on a form you can check. If you have raised a baby all by yourself and understand how ACHINGLY, GRINDINGLY DIFFICULT IT IS, we can continue to debate this. If you have not, please, please just stop.
especially these days when employers are actually biased toward hiring black people and not against them
This is not true. Black people continue to face higher unemployment rates, fewer job opportunities, lower pay, poorer benefits, hiring discrimination, greater job instability and "occupational segregation" that leads to lower-paid positions and segmented labor markets that make it harder to get into a stable, well-paying job.
When unemployment goes up as the economy cycles, it goes up FIRST among Black people. When the unemployment comes back down again, it goes down LAST for Black people. The Black unemployment rate is consistently TWICE that of the white unemployment rate. If you still think this is their fault, please see the above research. If that is not enough to convince you, let me know, I've got more.
Well isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black. LOL! The reason this woman’s kids can’t have good things, because she has nine of them! I don’t care what color she is. I guarantee you 100% she’s milking the system. Yes somebody stated they were glad she did not abort her children, I’m gonna have to agree with that because I’m a Christian, but seriously… Nine children, as a single mother! I just can’t believe that somebody would even have sex with her more than nine times. I mean by the fifth time, some dudes going to know at least that she has five kids right.?
I actually BEG OF YOU to hire a special makeup effects team and hidden camera crew, I will sell my car and my kidney to fund the production, go inhabit the daily reality of a Black single mother living in poverty (with real babies and children! Every responsibility, every physical requirement is yours. pls also hire a team that can make brain-electrodes that cause you to feel a perfect copy of any accrued lifetime trauma she may have) for THREE DAYS, come back here, post the link to the footage so we can both see you cry for your mommy by hour 9 and tell me that you still believe your own claim, which I am interpreting as this: "A Black woman devised a brilliant but devious plan to have an awesome, easy life. She couldn't believe how simple it was going to be to rip off these government suckers! The plan was set in motion when she allowed actual parts of her body to be sucked into her womb over the course of nine months. She loses two teeth and a pound of hair but she knows the calcium is going to a good cause: her ultimate dream-life! The birth leaves her permanently injured but she knows the diastasis recti and pelvic floor failure will be easier to handle once she's basking in the glow of her Welfare Queen kingdom! The plan really came to fruition, however, once she started on Phase II, which was spending 24 hours a day focusing on or somehow outsourcing the fulfillment of a helpless tiny human's constant needs all by herself! This was like shooting fish in a barrel! She would sometimes burst into random bouts of maniacal laughter, remembering that the $13 beautiful, green American dollars she received from The Welfare Agency of America everyday were gained by deceptive and ingenious means at the expense of the hardworking white taxpayer! Oh how she would laugh and laugh as she feasted on food, sometimes even louder than the screams inside her mind!"
Nice try. A welfare mother received upwards to $450 per child.- with nine children. That’s $4050 a month. Also another hundred dollars per child for food stamps, and that’s lowball. That’s another $900. So… Yeah! At $5000 a month I’m sure she would be doing just fine. Besides that, you don’t lose teeth from having children. So your scenario was a little bit hyperbolic. I’m sure nobody plans on having nine kids right? It was just an accident? If a woman chooses to open her legs and have sex, without protection, then there are consequences for that. People need to learn how to be accountable without the rest of the world paying for it. Also, that’s very racist of you to say that the money that they are living off of is only from white people. This country is filled with people of many colors that work hard and put into the system. So maybe you shouldn’t be such a bigot
Nice try. A welfare mother received upwards to $450 per child
Yup. That's $15/day. It costs over $1000 a month to raise one child.
At $5000 a month I’m sure she would be doing just fine.
Oh, you're sure?!?! Well, why didn't you say so!
If a woman chooses to open her legs and have sex, without protection, then there are consequences for that.
Please tell me what the absolute consequences of that should be. Governmental limits on how many children we can have? Whatever hard work you seem to be implying that she should understand she is in for if she has multiple children, I guarantee you she was DOING IT. People with one child living in America in 2021 need assistance to live. People with NO children need assistance to live.
That’s very racist of you to say that the money that they are living off of is only from white people
Cool trick, I like how you took my interpretation of the other guy's claim and read it as my claim. Hmm, your reading comprehension is subpar, you know, I really believe there should be consequences for that.
9 children, 7 baby daddies.
Fix the family, fix the country.
And the nine will have 9, and those another 9... All will surely become pillars of civility and productivity.🤔
Names like “Jalecia Latoria” are referred to as Ghetto Names.
That is officially what they’re called.
So she had 9 kids which means any of the 9 baby daddies could be the killer. Or possibly a new unnamed 10th potential baby daddy.
Damnit, if I were black and lived in the ghetto I’d be trying to clean this shit up somehow. I don’t know how but I’d think of something because even animals don’t have nine baby daddies like this. If anyone needs to be protested it’s baby mommas and baby daddies. Getting rid of the ghetto names would probably help too. Nobody else on the planet uses made up random ghetto names like this.
And in case anyone was wondering, yes some people really have this ghetto name https://duckduckgo.com/?q=latrinia
Oh you think that's bad? Behold! I give you the one, the only.....Marijuana Pepsi!
https://rollingout.com/2019/06/21/woman-with-birth-name-marijuana-pepsi-explains-how-she-got-her-ph-d/
Most people with names like this who have a grain of sense will get them changed and if they get a PhD then it will be in some worthwhile subject. It seems this woman decided to embrace her victimhood and get a worthless PhD, which basically means she didn’t think she had anything going for her except novelty value.
Latrine just makes me think of toilet
Well yes that would be the obvious problem with such a name
Thinking the ghetto life is wrong is white privilege
I was a single mother, I had one child. Period! I had A Tubal ligation
End of story.!
Accountability and responsibility! (and no I was never on welfare or excepted any welfare from the state or the government. I raised her on my own.)
Occasional help when struggling is fine.
I read this and thought 95% chance this is Louisiana aannnnnndddddd bingo.
Shreveport is a shithole
New Orleans is full of that shit. I’m pretty sure it’s one of the lowest literacy rates if not the lowest in the country.
No doubt. Lived there for about 8 years.
4.5. So glad I signed on for a job back in my home part of the country.
Wow. She must be a really high power executive or something to be able to have 9 children!
Silver lining: it cant breed anymore
Actually, according to a thread on another website that is black oriented.. 10 kids. 9 boys and an infant girl. Didn't have custody of some of them. One of the boys already tangled up with the Julie system. What a nasty mess.
Jalecia? That is a new one to me...
Just one too many court filings for child support. So brave for pushing the envelope.
Did one of the fathers kill her or was it drug related? Poor kids.
Here is the article for anyone interested: https://www.ksla.com/2021/04/09/funeral-arrangements-set-mother-nine-killed-trauma-specialist-says-children-who-witnessed-will-need-counseling/
They say the shooting occurred in a crowded parking lot. No time of day? What is the parking lot crowded for? Leaving out details is how the media protects scumbags.
So, are they say she got involved in a massive fight with all of her 9 children present? To me, she must have been winning because that’s the only time the weak want to pull guns out to solve problems that their fists couldn’t. But what example was she setting for her children? They might be better off without her. God doesn’t make mistakes, folks.
She's a victim of the Democrat-run puppy mill system
The face when your named after prescription strength anti fungal cream
And some of you clowns oppose abortion
Not for them
There it is.
How God commanded us to handle situations like this:
This is the law God gave Israel.
Democrats want this. If the state becomes their father, they can make them believe and do whatever they want.
I once met someone like this a long time ago. It was an eye opening experience. She went on about how she didn’t need no man. She got c-amount of money per kid, and her mom got some ridiculous amount from the state to babysit her own grandkids!
The only reason she had a job at 7-11 is because she was required to a) have a job where she worked at least 32-hours a week and b) a job that provided insurance, even though she wasn’t required to have it for anyone other than herself.
She certainly perfected the art of shoving food into her gob with those stubby little dick fingers.
I’m happy that she didn’t have abortions. God bless those children and protect them in the coming days.
Who gonna pay for al dem letters on dat gravestone?
This post and all these comments are so malignantly anti-Black, what the fuck?? THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS.
No faggot. It's anti....welfare, entitlement mentality, emboldened criminal culture, nuclear family hating, white hating, America hating, ungrateful black CULTURE.
YOU STUPID FUCK
LOL, just saw that you said "Occasional help when struggling is fine." to someone else in this thread. WHAAAAATTTT?????? PLEASE REVIEW YOUR I-HATE-BLACKS-BECAUSE-WELFARE ARGUMENT IN LIGHT OF THESE NEW COMMENTS, SIR.
Okay, even though I have a very hard time seeing any difference between being anti-Black and being anti-Black CULTURE, I'll bite.
I'll take your claim one point at a time.
~~~~~~Welfare~~~~~~ The biggest recipients of the original welfare that was The New Deal were white! The government assistance that lifted us out of the Depression was largely enjoyed by those of the Caucasian persuasion and, in many practical applications of its programs, outright excluded Black people. There are sooooo many examples of this, how much time do you have??? And right now I'm just talking about the 1930's! Black people being excluded from everything from good union jobs to housing enabled the generational wealth gap that continues to manifest today (and explains why Black households need help buying luxury items like food and health insurance!) I'm not going to argue that Black people don't use government help but I will argue that it is out of genuine need, just like alllll of the many white people who use it (more than Black people, by the way). 75.8% of the head-of-households who receive foodstamps are WHITE. Source: https://data.census.gov/cedsci/table?q=s2201&tid=ACSST1Y2019.S2201&hidePreview=false (Data is from 2019) Objecting on a policy level to the concept of welfare is one thing, projecting negative qualities onto an entire group of people for accepting the help is another.
~~~~~~Entitlement Mentality~~~~~~ This one is pure jokes. Black people do NOT have an "entitlement mentality", like what does that even mean??? I'm being serious here, can you support that claim please? And be specific. Entitled to what? Life? Entitled to have food? To not die from grinding poverty??? To not experience discrimination? Or are you one of those who believe that Black people are poor by choice/as dictated by their inherent qualities?
~~~~~~Emboldened Criminal Culture~~~~~~ Guy, I hate to break it to you and this will come as quite the shock if you've never heard it before but Black people were kidnapped from Africa, raped, tortured and murdered for centuries while being forced to create wealth for white America for free, then, post-Emancipation, had their very existence criminal-IZED by laser-focused laws designed to exclude them from upward mobility and true liberty. Slavery was TWO CONSECUTIVE GRANDMAS AGO. Jim Crow laws were enforced up until today's Boomers were in HIGH SCHOOL. As a result of that shit, white households currently hold !!!!7.8 times!!!! the wealth that Black households do. Black people did not CHOOSE poverty, America chose poverty for Black people. With poverty comes crime. The US Dept. of Justice concluded in reports on the matter that "the typical offender is undereducated, unemployed, and living in poverty before incarceration" and that is only the very most corny of allll the many sources that have brought scientific evidence to bear on that matter. Your anger towards Black people would be better focused on the system that impoverished an entire group of humans on purpose.
~~~~~~Nuclear Family Hating~~~~~~ Again, I'm going to have to ask for evidence of this "hate". I assume you are referring to the rate of single-parent households among Black Americans. Is this really a situation you think Black people love? When you as a group are forced into a situation of poverty and general resource-insecurity (which I would like to reiterate is not a condition that ANY human chooses for themselves or their children) there are certain perks you get to enjoy such as everyone you know getting thrown in prison all the time! Or being caught up in all manner of other hellish nightmares that come with a resource-insecure existence! You can't watch someone's toes get chopped off then say you hate them because they clearly looove limping.
~~~~~~White Hating~~~~~~ Ok, this one is really just a brain twister. You are hating on Black people in this very post! For the sake of argument, if you weren't being hated before, would it be allowed now, based on your logic, because you are "Black Hating"?
Anyway.
The Black community does not blindly hate white people. Europeans came to America and created a Hell on Earth for Africans, singularly evil in its creativity, longevity and ability to mutate to fit the times. As can be imagined, this reality was not lost on the people subject to it's cruel machinations and OBJECTIONS WERE RAISED. The objections continue because the conditions continue. What do you do when you are denied liberty?
~~~~~~America Hating~~~~~~ See above. This whole line of accusations is the most fragile thing imaginable. In what way could Black Americans be allowed to object to myriad injustices without you perceiving it as "America Hating". Black Americans are American. Wanting your country to be better is not hate. Honest critiques are not hatred. In fact (and if you are a parent or a teacher you would understand this) they are LOVE.
~~~~~~Ungrateful~~~~~~ Dude. Ungrateful for WHAT.
Bottom line, your thinking is twisted and deserves scrutiny. How people in this movement can cry about everyone calling us racist "unjustly" is beyond me because I can't have fun for ten minutes on any of these platforms without being dick-slapped by the most heinous anti-Blackness imaginable. WE CAN DO BETTER. If you are supposed to be so fucking based, if you're supposed to understand so fully that THE SYSTEM IS RIGGED, why can't you have understanding for and solidarity with people who have been at the shit end of that rigging for so long?
Black Americans bend over backwards to help Black communities deal with the problems that arise from being in an oppressed economic and social condition. Violence, education, poverty, opportunity, these are all areas that are SWIMMING in Black-led organizations or even individuals giving their all to improve things.
Just say you believe Black people are inherently violent and ignorant and go. Try not to get hurt when you're jerking off with your skull calipers.
How is it anti-black to say you want things to improve for black society such that baby mommas with seven baby daddies and nine kids aren’t getting murdered?
The fact is that this happens to some extent with white people as well, but black society has just made this stuff so socially acceptable that if you point out how sick and dysfunctional it is then you get called “anti-black” as though this sort of thing were just normal for black people or something. And then you have organizations like BLM trying to make it even worse than it already is.
Please tell me with a straight emoji face that you read this thread as being a genuine expression of desire for things to improve for Black society. This thread is BLAMING Black people for their condition within society. Saying "black society has made this stuff so socially acceptable" is extremely chicken-before-the-egg. No one, NO ONE (NO. ONE.) is claiming that poverty and the various ills that come with it are anything less than sick and dysfunctional. Poverty in modern America is HELL. That is why nobody, NOBODY (NO. BODY) chooses to live in poverty, among crime, in conditions that preclude you and your children from good education and health care. THESE THINGS ARE OBJECTIVELY BAD.
When you say that black society has "made" this stuff socially acceptable, what do you mean? Are you referring to the fact that Black art DESCRIBES these conditions, exists WITHIN them? Or do you mean that Black people somehow inherently enjoy hell and have embarked on a project to normalize sick, dysfunctional shit for fun?
Black people did not choose their socio-economic condition. Directing hate towards them instead of towards the system that put them there is anti-Black.
How does a woman have 9 kids, be poor, and have the system is to blame for her lack of resources
BE POOR. I'm floored. My passive-voice shoulder demon has such a huge boner it's plugging my ear.
But seriously, I want to answer your question because I'm so so sick of this disconnect that allows humans to be convinced that its cool to dehumanize other humans and still consider yourself Not The Bad Guy.
My point in addressing this heinous thread is to address the FALSE nature of the aspersions and stigmas cast unfairly upon Black people, often using stories like this, which is honestly the weirdest behavior. A mom died! Holy shit! You're mocking her name?? FOR WHY????????
I want to make it clear that we don't know if she was experiencing a lack of resources! I've looked to see what details about her and her family have been made public and for all we know she and her family were living a fulfilled, abundant life. From the pictures of her with her family it is clear that they were dearly loved. Her death was a tragedy and there are now nine children who have lost someone who I'm sure was a great mother.
Yes, she had nine kids.
Like this white person who notes that in her experience, having many kids will invite scorn in modern society. Interesting how in her case that scorn didn't come packaged with condemnation of her whole phenotype to a hell they asked for and deserve, right??? Weird.
I'll give you one guess as to what race Kate and Ray Vandegrift of Jenkintown, Pennsylania identify as. ELEVEN kids and here's a direct quote for you
WELL DOESN'T THAT SOUND LIKE A QUOTE THAT WOULD HAVE BEEN PULLED AND USED IN THIS HERE VERY THREAD TO MOCK AND CONDEMN BLACK PEOPLE IF JALECIA HAD SAID THAT.
I'm not saying what is or is not a bad choice. That's obviously subjective (except when it comes to harming others and it can be easily argued that a mother is not always doing harm to her kids by having many because she may be doing just fine at keeping them safe and loved. Women are fucking legendary at that.).
BUT IF YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT BAD CHOICES AS AN EXCUSE FOR YOUR ANTI-BLACKNESS? You just wish Black people would stop making bad choices so society could improve? Really?
Okay.
Why didn't this white person's bad choices so rightfully bestow upon their larger group the pain of socio-economic oppression? Because that's not how it works. White people get away with so many bad decisions (see: the plot of Varsity Blues the movie, the existence of Varsity Blues the movie, drinking entire glasses of milk with meals for quite a few decades, WeWork etc) but also literally sooooooo many crimes. You know it. I know it. Everybody knows it.
You know what the vast majority of theft is? Like, as in MOST THEFT PERIOD? Wage theft. Which race you s'pose is doing that, eh? Funny that white people don't experience the torturous fate that, as I've learned at your feet, is rightfully due to groups whose whose members transgress in such a way.
Make all the claims you want about why you would blame Black people for the inequality they experience rather than the system (as in the entire economic AND social system, inextricable as they are) and there are countless examples of white people doing way worse with no stigma to their group, no blame laid at the feet of white culture. Until recently, that is, which I guess is why people are going so fucking batshit with the illogical and ancient racist shit, it's like some kind of frantic backlash to the reality of our complex world and the racial injustices therein being even BARELY acknowledged. And I just think this behavior is a huge unforced error that we need to confront then cut the fuck out.
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I agree there’s a system problem but it’s not what BLM claims it is. I agree with Starr Parker https://curepolicy.org/star-parker/ on most things. BLM is actually part of the system that’s causing this poverty and attempts to game the welfare system with their “disrupt the nuclear family” and stuff.
But it’s true that people, including black people, have to take responsibility for their own decisions like Starr Parker did. There’s a system that’s been set up so it can be gamed by being a baby momma (welfare plus child support) but nobody is forcing anyone to participate in that game, (especially these days when employers are actually biased toward hiring black people and not against them.) The ones actively participating have to take responsibility for their participation and the ones acting like it’s normal or something (like BLM) need to take responsibility for trying to normalize it.
Thank you for engaging with my points, I really appreciate it. Not many other people here seem willing to do that.
Black Lives Matter is one organization. They are NOT the movement for Black liberation, which has existed since Black people were dragged to these shores in chains. The Black liberation movement is extremely clear on the violence, persecution, exclusion, extraction and oppression Black people face. They are not mistaken, they are not exaggerating, they are not playing victim.
While I'm not here to defend an organization (and I have my own issues with Black Lives Matter that have no place in this discussion) it is quite the claim to say that BLM is causing poverty. Can you expand on that claim?
About the nuclear family stuff, I think it's important to not have a knee-jerk reaction to hearing that position and assuming that it is some sort of advocacy for single-parenthood. It's actually the opposite! People (not just BLM) who find the nuclear family to be a departure from indigenous, rural and other older ways of living are advocating for MORE family, not less. We used to live in villages. We used to live with our ENTIRE family our entire lives! Multiple families all growing up together, each helping teach each other things they specialized in, growing stable communities that lived and died for one another. Western paradigms only caused the nuclear family to be the dominant family structure by the 1960's and 70's!! You know, when "Bridge Over Troubled Waters" by Simon and Garfunkle and "Black Magic Woman" by Santana were recorded. As in, literally recently! Industrialization and other factors incentivized changing our behavior and saw us moving out of the house immediately upon turning 18 to create a completely separate unit. There are terms today like "the grandmother effect", a concept that oo's and ahh's at the scientific proof of how much children benefit from the (today, rare) situation of having a grandmother living in the same house as them - something we used to do all the time!
I actually never knew that BLM said anything about the nuclear family (but I am familiar with and sympathetic to the criticism of the nuclear family trend that I hear in other circles) so I looked it up and what they actually said is right in line with the position I described above:
“We disrupt the Western-prescribed nuclear family structure requirement by supporting each other as extended families and ‘villages’ that collectively care for one another, especially our children, to the degree that mothers, parents, and children are comfortable.”
When you talk about the need for people to take responsibility for their own actions, do you believe that its either or? Either we have government assistance programs OR people can take responsibility for their on actions? I don't believe that one precludes the other. I believe that Black people DO take responsibility for their own actions. I do not see support for the claim that government assistance programs exist because responsibility is not being taken. You can be as responsible as humanely possible and still get the short end of the stick, especially if your family was poor for generations before you were born and especially if you are Black in America.
Poor people deserve help. It's the corporate welfare we throw around like bottle service that I believe we ALL have common cause to be righteously angry about.
The idea that a woman would HAVE A BABY and RAISE A BABY all for the welfare dollars is just completely absurd on its face. People say "being a baby mama" like it's being an organ donor - just a box on a form you can check. If you have raised a baby all by yourself and understand how ACHINGLY, GRINDINGLY DIFFICULT IT IS, we can continue to debate this. If you have not, please, please just stop.
This is not true. Black people continue to face higher unemployment rates, fewer job opportunities, lower pay, poorer benefits, hiring discrimination, greater job instability and "occupational segregation" that leads to lower-paid positions and segmented labor markets that make it harder to get into a stable, well-paying job.
When unemployment goes up as the economy cycles, it goes up FIRST among Black people. When the unemployment comes back down again, it goes down LAST for Black people. The Black unemployment rate is consistently TWICE that of the white unemployment rate. If you still think this is their fault, please see the above research. If that is not enough to convince you, let me know, I've got more.
Well isn’t that the pot calling the kettle black. LOL! The reason this woman’s kids can’t have good things, because she has nine of them! I don’t care what color she is. I guarantee you 100% she’s milking the system. Yes somebody stated they were glad she did not abort her children, I’m gonna have to agree with that because I’m a Christian, but seriously… Nine children, as a single mother! I just can’t believe that somebody would even have sex with her more than nine times. I mean by the fifth time, some dudes going to know at least that she has five kids right.?
I actually BEG OF YOU to hire a special makeup effects team and hidden camera crew, I will sell my car and my kidney to fund the production, go inhabit the daily reality of a Black single mother living in poverty (with real babies and children! Every responsibility, every physical requirement is yours. pls also hire a team that can make brain-electrodes that cause you to feel a perfect copy of any accrued lifetime trauma she may have) for THREE DAYS, come back here, post the link to the footage so we can both see you cry for your mommy by hour 9 and tell me that you still believe your own claim, which I am interpreting as this: "A Black woman devised a brilliant but devious plan to have an awesome, easy life. She couldn't believe how simple it was going to be to rip off these government suckers! The plan was set in motion when she allowed actual parts of her body to be sucked into her womb over the course of nine months. She loses two teeth and a pound of hair but she knows the calcium is going to a good cause: her ultimate dream-life! The birth leaves her permanently injured but she knows the diastasis recti and pelvic floor failure will be easier to handle once she's basking in the glow of her Welfare Queen kingdom! The plan really came to fruition, however, once she started on Phase II, which was spending 24 hours a day focusing on or somehow outsourcing the fulfillment of a helpless tiny human's constant needs all by herself! This was like shooting fish in a barrel! She would sometimes burst into random bouts of maniacal laughter, remembering that the $13 beautiful, green American dollars she received from The Welfare Agency of America everyday were gained by deceptive and ingenious means at the expense of the hardworking white taxpayer! Oh how she would laugh and laugh as she feasted on food, sometimes even louder than the screams inside her mind!"
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Nice try. A welfare mother received upwards to $450 per child.- with nine children. That’s $4050 a month. Also another hundred dollars per child for food stamps, and that’s lowball. That’s another $900. So… Yeah! At $5000 a month I’m sure she would be doing just fine. Besides that, you don’t lose teeth from having children. So your scenario was a little bit hyperbolic. I’m sure nobody plans on having nine kids right? It was just an accident? If a woman chooses to open her legs and have sex, without protection, then there are consequences for that. People need to learn how to be accountable without the rest of the world paying for it. Also, that’s very racist of you to say that the money that they are living off of is only from white people. This country is filled with people of many colors that work hard and put into the system. So maybe you shouldn’t be such a bigot
Yup. That's $15/day. It costs over $1000 a month to raise one child.
Oh, you're sure?!?! Well, why didn't you say so!
Please tell me what the absolute consequences of that should be. Governmental limits on how many children we can have? Whatever hard work you seem to be implying that she should understand she is in for if she has multiple children, I guarantee you she was DOING IT. People with one child living in America in 2021 need assistance to live. People with NO children need assistance to live.
Cool trick, I like how you took my interpretation of the other guy's claim and read it as my claim. Hmm, your reading comprehension is subpar, you know, I really believe there should be consequences for that.
THIS one post. Ggeezzzzz