personally i believe that the second amendment forbids making even machine guns illegal.
that said, i believe that 99% of the time autofire is a major waste of ammunition.
further, i think bump stocks are absolutely stupid and a waste of ammo 100% of the time. alas, the government should not be allowed jurisdiction on their legality whatsoever, as the right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
“The NFA made it nearly impossible for the common law-abiding citizen to attain an automatic weapon only because the cost was prohibitive for most common Americans due to the heavy tax laid upon the purchase of one. It was egregious for the federal government to craft such a law, but perhaps the more important distinction is that there was no federal law suggesting that an American citizen couldn’t legally own a properly registered and purchased “machine gun” for more than 50 years after the NFA was passed, because it was clearly understood that a federal “ban” on such weapons was an infringement upon law-abiding citizens’ Second Amendment right.
In truth, automatic weapons were not actually “banned” in this country until 1986. It wasn’t until the farcical passage of the Hughes Amendment as an addendum to the National Firearm Owners’ Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986 that ownership of any such firearm was truly “banned” by the federal government.
If you ever imagined that our elected betters are actively working toward the preservation of our constitutionally protected rights, watch this video of Charlie Rangel leading the House in a “voice vote” to allow the Hughes Amendment, and allowing only two minutes of raucous “deliberation.” It is among the lowest and most ridiculous moments in the history of our American Congress -- and that’s saying something.
It has been reported that President Reagan considered vetoing the FOPA due to the inclusion of the Hughes Amendment, but was convinced by the NRA to not do so, believing that the “Supreme Court would throw that measure out as unconstitutional,” thereby “correcting the defect in new law.” That challenge to the unlawful “machine gun ban” never came. And now, thirty-three years later, nothing could be more natural than Americans assuming that the federal government somehow has the right to ban whatever weapons it can successfully ban, even if it does so via legislative subterfuge.
If the “slippery slope” idiom ever has a meaningful application, this might be a good example of it.
In the end, it took 146 years of American history for the government to even make a sweeping effort toward a federal gun law restricting firearms among the law-abiding populace. It took sly maneuvering to enact the first federal gun control, achieved only under the auspices of the government’s “right to tax” firearms, and an ensuing fifty years of the government purposely avoiding the notion of that government could “ban” any firearm (for fear of running afoul of the Second Amendment), before a Congressional circus in 1986 finally presumed that the government could actually “ban” automatic weapons.”
To defend a "free state" that being a state of individual freedom and not a "free country" you require arms that are equal.or better that those that would be used to opress your freedom.
There is video. And I don't know why you care that much or what you expect to see. Him pushing a luggage cart in? We already have that video. The fuck else are you expecting?
Don't forget this is a loss for Trump!! I got real irritated when I used to read people in here getting so worked up that they would openly say "duuuhhh I wouldn't mind Trump being King for awhile, derp derp" .... Trump was not a God or sent from God or did Gods work!! And we need to remember that and remember it was US that made this system work!!! We can stop the riots, we can stop the dirty politicians... But we have to have a voice and a real life presence and some of us will have to be willing to sacrifice....!! Not anonymous online fucking stupid ass memes!!! We have to be in front of FBI buildings, MSN buildings.. the places that are the true power behind what we are fighting here.... We've got way too comfortable and not willing to sacrifice!! How much is enough y'all?? When will you finally say I'd rather die on my feet then live in my knees!?!
Can’t wait for a mechanical mod that pulls my semi trigger for me hundreds of times per minute.
Don’t tell anyone that this is literally what is happening when a machinegun trigger is held down. A mechanical mod is simulating the trigger being pulled already.
Saw a dealer post on facebook once that he had to destroy 100 of these. He plans on starting a class action lawsuit against the government once the ban is lifted. I say everybody band together and join in saying the same. If they ask for proof you bought 100, you can tell them you used the gun show loophole and there's no trace. How can they argue that?
personally i believe that the second amendment forbids making even machine guns illegal.
that said, i believe that 99% of the time autofire is a major waste of ammunition.
further, i think bump stocks are absolutely stupid and a waste of ammo 100% of the time. alas, the government should not be allowed jurisdiction on their legality whatsoever, as the right to bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED.
“The NFA made it nearly impossible for the common law-abiding citizen to attain an automatic weapon only because the cost was prohibitive for most common Americans due to the heavy tax laid upon the purchase of one. It was egregious for the federal government to craft such a law, but perhaps the more important distinction is that there was no federal law suggesting that an American citizen couldn’t legally own a properly registered and purchased “machine gun” for more than 50 years after the NFA was passed, because it was clearly understood that a federal “ban” on such weapons was an infringement upon law-abiding citizens’ Second Amendment right.
In truth, automatic weapons were not actually “banned” in this country until 1986. It wasn’t until the farcical passage of the Hughes Amendment as an addendum to the National Firearm Owners’ Protection Act (FOPA) of 1986 that ownership of any such firearm was truly “banned” by the federal government.
If you ever imagined that our elected betters are actively working toward the preservation of our constitutionally protected rights, watch this video of Charlie Rangel leading the House in a “voice vote” to allow the Hughes Amendment, and allowing only two minutes of raucous “deliberation.” It is among the lowest and most ridiculous moments in the history of our American Congress -- and that’s saying something.
It has been reported that President Reagan considered vetoing the FOPA due to the inclusion of the Hughes Amendment, but was convinced by the NRA to not do so, believing that the “Supreme Court would throw that measure out as unconstitutional,” thereby “correcting the defect in new law.” That challenge to the unlawful “machine gun ban” never came. And now, thirty-three years later, nothing could be more natural than Americans assuming that the federal government somehow has the right to ban whatever weapons it can successfully ban, even if it does so via legislative subterfuge.
If the “slippery slope” idiom ever has a meaningful application, this might be a good example of it.
In the end, it took 146 years of American history for the government to even make a sweeping effort toward a federal gun law restricting firearms among the law-abiding populace. It took sly maneuvering to enact the first federal gun control, achieved only under the auspices of the government’s “right to tax” firearms, and an ensuing fifty years of the government purposely avoiding the notion of that government could “ban” any firearm (for fear of running afoul of the Second Amendment), before a Congressional circus in 1986 finally presumed that the government could actually “ban” automatic weapons.”
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2019/08/how_the_federal_government_nullified_the_second_amendment_to_ban_automatic_firearms.html
Always been a clown show, video of the Hughes amendment “passing”
https://patriots.win/p/11S0uVEoav/just-a-reminder-its-always-been-/c/
Speaking of NFA...interesting read:
FOIA Response Confirms NFRTR Data Unreliable for Prosecutions (National Firearms Registration and Transfer Record)
https://www.ammoland.com/2017/06/foia-response-confirms-nfrtr-data-unreliable-for-prosecutions/
I give zero fucks about bump stocks. frankly I think operating a gun like that is dangerous. banning auto in the first place is the problem.
To defend a "free state" that being a state of individual freedom and not a "free country" you require arms that are equal.or better that those that would be used to opress your freedom.
You should be allowed to own an rpg if you want
Great news......now if only we had enough conservative/originalist judges on SCOTUS to uphold it.
gotta be candid here: fuck them if they don't. the Constitution is above them, and 2A explicitly tells them they have no jurisdiction over gun law.
the Constitution is not written in latin, for only the holier than thou clergy to read, it is written in plain english.
Considering Trump was the leading voice behind the attack on bumpstocks I think we're in a bit more trouble than we care to admit.
he was not the leading voice on bumpstocks. that's FUD.
I watched as he sat next to Feinstein, said we are banning bump stocks, as she giddily smiled.
The whole thing was retarded and Trump was a prolific advocate for the bump stock ban.
You can't gaslight us into forgetting what I saw with my own eyes.
In the aftermath of some psycho killing like 60 people and injuring like 500 with them he didn't have much choice.
Still no videos from a casino with thousands of cameras.
There is video. And I don't know why you care that much or what you expect to see. Him pushing a luggage cart in? We already have that video. The fuck else are you expecting?
Nevermind.
What? There is video lmao. There is a lot of clips of the camera outside the hallway where the shooter setup a camera in a food cart.
Where is all the video of "the shooter" gambling and going to the hotel room?
https://youtu.be/6ZRgVX8SYX4
Worth noting that biden just followed basically the same playbook in directing DOJ to clarify the rules on pistol braces.
Regardless...
bumpstocking is kinda silly anyways. you'd probably have to practice with it a lot to be combat-useful with it :P
100! emoticon
Het 6th circuit, machine guns like all guns are constitutional
Hawaiian Judge: OVERRULED!
Remember that the GOA sued the government to overturn this. The NRA sat on its hands and did nothing.
Lawsuits:
All gun control laws are discriminatory against financially disadvantaged communities.
Further, all gun control laws are a violation of various States Civil Rights laws.
So I can pull it out of the closet now?
Personally I believe if you use a bump stock you are retarded, but that doesn't mean you shouldn't be able to use one.
Don't forget this is a loss for Trump!! I got real irritated when I used to read people in here getting so worked up that they would openly say "duuuhhh I wouldn't mind Trump being King for awhile, derp derp" .... Trump was not a God or sent from God or did Gods work!! And we need to remember that and remember it was US that made this system work!!! We can stop the riots, we can stop the dirty politicians... But we have to have a voice and a real life presence and some of us will have to be willing to sacrifice....!! Not anonymous online fucking stupid ass memes!!! We have to be in front of FBI buildings, MSN buildings.. the places that are the true power behind what we are fighting here.... We've got way too comfortable and not willing to sacrifice!! How much is enough y'all?? When will you finally say I'd rather die on my feet then live in my knees!?!
Can’t wait for a mechanical mod that pulls my semi trigger for me hundreds of times per minute.
Don’t tell anyone that this is literally what is happening when a machinegun trigger is held down. A mechanical mod is simulating the trigger being pulled already.
Looks like machine guns are back on the menu!
Saw a dealer post on facebook once that he had to destroy 100 of these. He plans on starting a class action lawsuit against the government once the ban is lifted. I say everybody band together and join in saying the same. If they ask for proof you bought 100, you can tell them you used the gun show loophole and there's no trace. How can they argue that?
Next stop, Vegas baby.
Um, it's a joke. When did you loose your sense of humor?
Chill
Are you making gun trades with Fed known terrorist leaders?