THE RIFLE ON THE WALL: “The political principle at stake is simple: to deny the state the monopoly of armed force, and, obversely, to empower the citizenry, to distribute the power of armed force among the people... This is not a right-wing position...
The notion that an armed populace should have a measure of power of resistance to the heavily armed power of the state is, if anything, a populist principle, and has always been part of the revolutionary democratic traditions of the left. Per George, above, and Karl, here: “The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition… Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
...From a left-socialist perspective, then, the concentration of wealth and the concentration of armed power in the hands of a few, are both bad ideas—and the one has everything to do with the other... “regulations” are limitations on a right, and rights, though never absolute, are to be valued.
...Those who hold that gun ownership is a fundamental political right correctly perceive, and are right to resist, the intended threat of its incremental elimination in gun-control laws that will have little to no practical effect, other than to demand more acts of compliance and submission to the armed authority of the state...
When you ban guns, you are not just eliminating a right, you are creating a criminal offense – in fact a whole set of new crimes? How many months or years will you have to be confined by the armed guards of the state for having a rifle with a pistol grip or a 10-round magazine? How many of those fifty million gun owners are you going to lock up, after raiding their homes?
One has to be kind of obtuse not to understand that a War on Guns, no matter how liberally inspired, will end up like all other such campaigns. It will create crime and pre-crime, and, as Kevin Carson says, “take the level of police statism, lawlessness and general social pathology up a notch in the same way Prohibition and the Drug War have done.”
Can we really give up the right to gun ownership without giving up other rights? Can we pretend not to know that any new, stricter regime of “gun control” enforced by the American capitalist state will result in a greater curtailment of many rights, in more surveillance, in more criminalization of dissident radicalism, directed fiercely and selectively against the opponents of racism and imperialism?
...The net effect of eliminating the right of citizens to possess firearms will be to increase the power of the armed capitalist state. It will not be a more pacific, but a more authoritarian society, one in which the whole panoply of armed police we’ve already come to accept as part of the social landscape will be even more ubiquitous, while citizens’ compliance and submission will be more thoroughly assured. As Patrick Higgins puts it: “The formula for gun control seems pretty obvious to me. Less [sic] guns for the people who are most likely to need them, more guns for cops and soldiers and those sympathetic to them.”
...Here’s the thing, and everybody knows it: Whatever strictest possible gun-control regime is instituted by favored liberal and moderate politicians, the family who threw that party will still have all the guns that it wants at its disposal. Donald Trump (who always had one in New York City), Diane Feinstein, and their ilk will still have their carry permits. Goldman Sachs will have all the weapons it wants for its private army, which will still be working as an allied brigade of the supposedly public branch of the ruling class’s armed forces. There will be a system of waivers, fees, and private security armies for anyone in the .01%.
...Rights empower. Power is dangerous. Guns—certainly the personal firearms that are in question—carry a limited but real measure of inherent power, and therefore danger, that everyone should respect. Indeed, it is because guns are dangerous that the right to own one is important...
Let’s have a discussion on the left about reasonable gun regulations that firmly and sincerely recognizes that gun ownership is a fundamental political right, which deserves a place of honor on our wall of historical achievements.
As Ida B. Wells put it, in the cauldron of the Klan’s lynching fever in1892, learning and teaching a valuable lesson (that Orwell would later echo): “Of the many inhuman outrages of this present year, the only case where the proposed lynching did not occur, was where the men armed themselves … and prevented it.””
Idiots don't survive school. They don't get educated, they don't get a degree, they don't get a decent job. They can't fend for themselves. So who do they turn to?
The democrats and the government handouts, of course. Liberals aren't specifically dumb; rather, dumb people are very likely to become liberals.
(to be fair, there are smart liberals out there, but they tend to hide, because if they EVER come out and say the far left is doing something stupid, they'll get lynched by their own friends and neighbors)
The argument I tend to always make (and haven't yet gotten a real answer to) is to point out that guns are a force equalizer. Male, female, young, old, alone or isolated, all can not only equally be vulnerable to firearms but are equally able to wield a firearm. By removing firearms from the population, you are just shifting the successful usage of force strictly in favor of the young, strong and grouped.
No, your premise doesn't work. Cuz the way that the guns r distributed now (We The People, own guns). NEVER! will "all people" give up their weapons. Even if the dumbasses who gave up their guns went into gangs or armies... look at how well BLM & Antifa are going. You can only create Useful idiots. ZERO AUTHORITY will be derived from this action, and We The People will take our 2A (constitutional) rights back.
Said this when BLM started up 5 years ago..... When the same people rioting against the police were advocating for gun control theres a big HUH, happenig......
Because deep down inside every liberal is a fascist waiting to come out.
They are already letting it leak out before it gets dialed up to full chimp out mode.
that's eloquent!
They'd execute a child to take a picture of the body.
Logic is White Supremacy/Privilege.
If leftists used the logical part of their brain they wouldn’t be Democrats
Gun control and defunding the police are two means to the same end. Chaos in the streets to keep the normies cowering in fear.
THE RIFLE ON THE WALL: “The political principle at stake is simple: to deny the state the monopoly of armed force, and, obversely, to empower the citizenry, to distribute the power of armed force among the people... This is not a right-wing position...
The notion that an armed populace should have a measure of power of resistance to the heavily armed power of the state is, if anything, a populist principle, and has always been part of the revolutionary democratic traditions of the left. Per George, above, and Karl, here: “The whole proletariat must be armed at once with muskets, rifles, cannon and ammunition… Under no pretext should arms and ammunition be surrendered; any attempt to disarm the workers must be frustrated, by force if necessary.”
...From a left-socialist perspective, then, the concentration of wealth and the concentration of armed power in the hands of a few, are both bad ideas—and the one has everything to do with the other... “regulations” are limitations on a right, and rights, though never absolute, are to be valued.
...Those who hold that gun ownership is a fundamental political right correctly perceive, and are right to resist, the intended threat of its incremental elimination in gun-control laws that will have little to no practical effect, other than to demand more acts of compliance and submission to the armed authority of the state...
When you ban guns, you are not just eliminating a right, you are creating a criminal offense – in fact a whole set of new crimes? How many months or years will you have to be confined by the armed guards of the state for having a rifle with a pistol grip or a 10-round magazine? How many of those fifty million gun owners are you going to lock up, after raiding their homes?
One has to be kind of obtuse not to understand that a War on Guns, no matter how liberally inspired, will end up like all other such campaigns. It will create crime and pre-crime, and, as Kevin Carson says, “take the level of police statism, lawlessness and general social pathology up a notch in the same way Prohibition and the Drug War have done.”
Can we really give up the right to gun ownership without giving up other rights? Can we pretend not to know that any new, stricter regime of “gun control” enforced by the American capitalist state will result in a greater curtailment of many rights, in more surveillance, in more criminalization of dissident radicalism, directed fiercely and selectively against the opponents of racism and imperialism?
...The net effect of eliminating the right of citizens to possess firearms will be to increase the power of the armed capitalist state. It will not be a more pacific, but a more authoritarian society, one in which the whole panoply of armed police we’ve already come to accept as part of the social landscape will be even more ubiquitous, while citizens’ compliance and submission will be more thoroughly assured. As Patrick Higgins puts it: “The formula for gun control seems pretty obvious to me. Less [sic] guns for the people who are most likely to need them, more guns for cops and soldiers and those sympathetic to them.”
...Here’s the thing, and everybody knows it: Whatever strictest possible gun-control regime is instituted by favored liberal and moderate politicians, the family who threw that party will still have all the guns that it wants at its disposal. Donald Trump (who always had one in New York City), Diane Feinstein, and their ilk will still have their carry permits. Goldman Sachs will have all the weapons it wants for its private army, which will still be working as an allied brigade of the supposedly public branch of the ruling class’s armed forces. There will be a system of waivers, fees, and private security armies for anyone in the .01%.
...Rights empower. Power is dangerous. Guns—certainly the personal firearms that are in question—carry a limited but real measure of inherent power, and therefore danger, that everyone should respect. Indeed, it is because guns are dangerous that the right to own one is important...
Let’s have a discussion on the left about reasonable gun regulations that firmly and sincerely recognizes that gun ownership is a fundamental political right, which deserves a place of honor on our wall of historical achievements.
As Ida B. Wells put it, in the cauldron of the Klan’s lynching fever in1892, learning and teaching a valuable lesson (that Orwell would later echo): “Of the many inhuman outrages of this present year, the only case where the proposed lynching did not occur, was where the men armed themselves … and prevented it.””
https://www.counterpunch.org/2017/10/12/the-rifle-on-the-wall-a-left-argument-for-gun-rights/
Excellent
Because they don't actually hate "the police". They hate any authority that isn't completely subsumed into Marxism.
Which is also why they want to disarm you, so that you can't resist Marxism.
It's kinda the other way around.
Idiots don't survive school. They don't get educated, they don't get a degree, they don't get a decent job. They can't fend for themselves. So who do they turn to?
The democrats and the government handouts, of course. Liberals aren't specifically dumb; rather, dumb people are very likely to become liberals.
(to be fair, there are smart liberals out there, but they tend to hide, because if they EVER come out and say the far left is doing something stupid, they'll get lynched by their own friends and neighbors)
The argument I tend to always make (and haven't yet gotten a real answer to) is to point out that guns are a force equalizer. Male, female, young, old, alone or isolated, all can not only equally be vulnerable to firearms but are equally able to wield a firearm. By removing firearms from the population, you are just shifting the successful usage of force strictly in favor of the young, strong and grouped.
No, your premise doesn't work. Cuz the way that the guns r distributed now (We The People, own guns). NEVER! will "all people" give up their weapons. Even if the dumbasses who gave up their guns went into gangs or armies... look at how well BLM & Antifa are going. You can only create Useful idiots. ZERO AUTHORITY will be derived from this action, and We The People will take our 2A (constitutional) rights back.
Said this when BLM started up 5 years ago..... When the same people rioting against the police were advocating for gun control theres a big HUH, happenig......
Damn she is fucking hot!
They aren't liberals. They're communists. I can't fucking figure out why people can't understand that shit.
They don’t want the police to exist either.
7/10 would bang.
Leftists are morally and intellectually bankrupt, so you can't apply logic or reason to any of their ideas or behavior.
Because they're not against the police. They are for having a stasi/gestapo/kgb.
The ones who won't think either want simple solutions to complex problems, or a chance to virtue-signal.
The other ones want you disarmed and easier to abuse.
Liberals aren't dumb. They are relentless authoritarians. Anybody who thinks they're dumb is the dumb one.
Liberals have no standards
All of their standards are fake
Their only standard is this one: whatever gives me power
Because if they were smart then they wouldn't be liberals
Because its not about equality you moron. What are you gonna do about it? post more memes?