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Continuation : These pagans were also known to particularly call angels Gabriel, Mikhael and so on with earthly female names, and that is a perversion, wouldn't you say ? pretty much like the perversion today about genders of children. And the verse specifically targets those kinds of pagans. How is this related to christians? I don't know, maybe you see things that I don't.

The Koran incessantly preaches our inferiority, calling us diseased (2:10), perverse (2:99), stupid (2:171), unclean (9:28), ignorant (6:111), cursed (4:52), diseased (5:52), Satan's helpers (4:76), deceitful (3:73), and worse than demons (46:29-35). 7:176 compares us to "panting dogs" in our idiocy and worthlessness. 5:60 says apes and pigs are Jews that Allah turned into animals (see also 7:166 and 2:65), and Mohammed believed rats were also "mutated Jews" (Sahih Bukhari 54:524; Sahih Muslim 7135-36).

Again, quoting numbers but never the text and worse, quoting unrelated chapters and I have explained how wrong that is with the story allegory further above.

2:10 "In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie."

again, I see why you quoted the number but not the text. Where do you see that this quote talks about the christians or the jews? This verse targets hypocrites. Proof? let's read the full context :

2:8-10 "And of the people are some who say, "We believe in Allah and the Last Day," but they are not believers.8 They [think to] deceive Allah and those who believe, but they deceive not except themselves and perceive [it] not. 9 In their hearts is disease, so Allah has increased their disease; and for them is a painful punishment because they [habitually] used to lie. 10"

Do you consider yourself a hypocrite? one that claims they believe in God and in their hearts don't believe? if so, then yes this verse is for you. Aren't these people who lie about belief really sick in their hearts? Again, where in here doesn't use the word "muslim" v. "non-muslim" or "muslim" v. "christian" ? So no, the quran doesn't call christians diseased.

2:99 "And We have certainly revealed to you verses [which are] clear proofs, and no one would deny them except the defiantly disobedient."

Where do you see the word perverse? the text calls whoever still denies the verses that are clearly true as defiantly disobedient to God. Pretty much like you are doing right now. Quoting the numbers and concealing the text knowing full well it most of the time states the opposite of what you say it says! The truth is one and only, if you lie about the quran and the quran in its own text proves to you that you were lying about it, then who should be believed? is it you who clearly lied directly without reasonable doubt, or should I believe the quran who calls you in this context defiantly disobedient? aren't you disobeying the Lord by lying?

2:171 "The example of those who disbelieve is like that of one who shouts at what hears nothing but calls and cries cattle or sheep - deaf, dumb and blind, so they do not understand."

Again, the verse clearly speaks of those who disbelief in God, more specifically the atheists. And the allegory here, though it uses the word "Dumb", when you read it in context (and in adequate translation) deaf, dumb, and blind is an allegory of "hear no evil, speak no evil, see no evil". Dumb here is old way of calling a "mute" person. from Vocabulary.com : "Dumb is the Old English word that means "mute, speechless," and itself came from an even older word dheubh meaning "confusion, stupefaction, dizziness." Today, dumb still means "unable to speak," but it doesn't have anything to do with intelligence. Its other meaning, however, does." This verse speaks of those atheists or pagans who, eventhough you provide all kinds of proof, scientific or not that God exists they would pretend it's debooooooonked. pretty much like what happens today with those to whom you explain that there was fraud in the election, they just pretend they don't hear / speak/ see. So no, the quran doesn't call a person stupid here (dumb meaning mute) let alone calling christians stupid as the verse clearly targets disbelievers.

9:28 "O you who have believed, indeed the polytheists are unclean, so let them not approach al-Masjid al-Haram after this, their [final] year. And if you fear privation, Allah will enrich you from His bounty if He wills. Indeed, Allah is Knowing and Wise."

Aren't the pagans unclean? You see them even today. Degenerates who do all sorts of unclean deeds to their bodies. Would you let them around you? Would you let them around your kids? Are they clean to you?

Are christian and jews polytheists? or do they believe in one God the Lord Almighty who created this universe? Again, why do you feel as a christian targeted by this verse? unless you are a pagan disguised as christian in which case I refer you to the hypocrite verse a bit above

6:111 "And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allah should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant."

Don't you believe in God, as a christian or jew? if so, do you count yourself of the category that even if God sent them his own Angels wouldn't believe? if so this verse is for you. But you are a believer, i.e. you don't need God to send any Angels. As a christian you already believe the scriptures with no need to witness any Angels yourself. Doesn't that mean you already know very well your religion? Wouldn't you call someone opposite to this an ignorant? meaning they do not want to know the scripture, they don't want to read about it, they don't want to learn about God. wouldn't you call such people ignorant? but again, a verse quoted mid sentence is quite dishonest. let's put some context here

6:105-111 "And thus do We diversify the verses so the disbelievers will say, "You have studied," and so We may make the Qur'an clear for a people who know. Follow, [O Muhammad], what has been revealed to you from your Lord - there is no deity except Him - and turn away from those who associate others with Allah . But if Allah had willed, they would not have associated. And We have not appointed you over them as a guardian, nor are you a manager over them. And do not insult those they invoke other than Allah , lest they insult Allah in enmity without knowledge. Thus We have made pleasing to every community their deeds. Then to their Lord is their return, and He will inform them about what they used to do. And they swear by Allah their strongest oaths that if a sign came to them, they would surely believe in it. Say, "The signs are only with Allah ." And what will make you perceive that even if a sign came, they would not believe. And We will turn away their hearts and their eyes just as they refused to believe in it the first time. And We will leave them in their transgression, wandering blindly. And even if We had sent down to them the angels [with the message] and the dead spoke to them [of it] and We gathered together every [created] thing in front of them, they would not believe unless Allah should will. But most of them, [of that], are ignorant."

those who associate others with Allah : polytheists/ pagans

**Where in this context, do you see that the quran calls any christian an ignorant?! Worse! this context alone completely annihilate your whole point. The quran actually states that muhammad, and by extension muslims and indeed the quran itself, doesn't insult any who worship other than God. so where does it state again that christians or jews are ignorant or that like you liked to quote me, that it's ok to humiliate or rape or insult those who believe otherwise?! **

4:52 "Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper."

who are Those? why do you feel targeted by it? How do you quote this alone with no context?

4:51-52 "Have you not seen those who were given a portion of the Scripture, who believe in superstition and false objects of worship and say about the disbelievers, "These are better guided than the believers as to the way"? Those are the ones whom Allah has cursed; and he whom Allah curses - never will you find for him a helper."

why do you feel targeted by this? Does it call all christians like this? or is it a specific kind of people? You read and tell me cause I don't even need to add more. Does it look ok to you? those who took bits of the Bible, and then use it for superstition and false objects of worship other than God and who misguide people right and left, and worse, who consider pagans better guided than true believers?! Aren't they lying on God? Doesn't God curse these kinds of peoples? unless you consider yourself amongst them, and frankly with the way you've been lying on what the quran said... I'm begining to think you truly fit the description. a very narrowed description.

5:52 "So you see those in whose hearts is disease hastening into [association with] them, saying, "We are afraid a misfortune may strike us." But perhaps Allah will bring conquest or a decision from Him, and they will become, over what they have been concealing within themselves, regretful."

Again, where do you see that quran calls christians diseased? here the same people in the previous explanation are pointed specifically: the superstitious and who believe fake items of worship, that again, in the context of 5:51 explained before, in the arabian peninsula where some jews and christians of that place and that time have been misguiding pagans and helping them in their paganism and their superstition. Are those to you good christians and jews? or do they fit the hypocritical category that even christians and jews should be against? are they or they not diseased? you be the judge.

4:76 "Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak."

Why do you feel christians or jews are targeted by this verse, which again is truncated of all meaning without context? Aren't pagans who fight for a stone statue they worship allies of Satan so to speak? Let's put this agian in context

4:74 - 76 "So let those fight in the cause of Allah who sell the life of this world for the Hereafter. And he who fights in the cause of Allah and is killed or achieves victory - We will bestow upon him a great reward. And what is [the matter] with you that you fight not in the cause of Allah and [for] the oppressed among men, women, and children who say, "Our Lord, take us out of this city of oppressive people and appoint for us from Yourself a protector and appoint for us from Yourself a helper?" Those who believe fight in the cause of Allah , and those who disbelieve fight in the cause of Taghut. So fight against the allies of Satan. Indeed, the plot of Satan has ever been weak."

Again the context matters. This series of verses in particular describes the time in islam's inception when they were but a minority in the city of mecca, and have been vehemently and violent slaughtered and raped by the pagan majority at the time. These muslims at the time wanted only to live free and to worship God freely. And they never fought until God gave them the right to defend themselves. as you can see here, they have asked God for help to get out of that city and it is then that God gave muslims the right to defend themselves and to fight their way out against the pagans, and against those who helped them do monstrous deeds. Again, please explain how do you see any wording implying that you, as a christian or jew is an ally of Satan? unless you are indeed an ally of Satan by lying and concealing truth and putting yourself in the ranks of the hypocrites (2/X)...