Except Christians have progressed into the modern age. It is a statement of fact to say Islam is still living in the dark age.
CURRENTLY, no other religion on earth has a suicide bombing problem. No other religion on earth quotes their bible while filming a beheading on video, or says their god is great before exploding themselves up. No other religion teaches how to make pressure cooker bombs on your kitchen table and blow up marathon runners.
Christian parents who read the Bible nowadays don’t acid attack their children, and don’t honor kill them. Can’t say the same for the ones reading the koran. How about gunning down cartoonists for insulting Jesus, not really happening either. Did any Christians get put to death by Christians for blasphemy this year? How many Christians got out to death by muslims?
How about raping and beheading on video 2 Scandinavian girls because the quoran says it’s okay to humiliate, rape and kill non-believers and to kill the infidel using a blade on their throat?
Equating modern Christianity to Islam teachings is intellectual dishonesty.
as if suicide bombing has its reason in islamic theology. that's nonsensical.
suicide bombing has existed and will always exist in any struggle where no other means are available. The germans did it in 1945 when they were losing, the japanese did it too. The Rott Army Faktion did it even in the 70s.
It is you who is guilty of intellectual dishonesty if you make suicide bombing rooted in Islam when it has nothing to do with its theology.
And regarding the scandinavian victims amongst others, the crime of some batshit crazy monsters doesn't make that linked to the theology.
The quran says it's okay to humiliate rape and kill non-believers?! that's new! Perhaps you are quoting the Talmud and thinking it's the quran, cause I read the quran back to back and several times and there is no such thing there.
The quran says it's okay to humiliate rape and kill non-believers?! that's new!
The Koran tells Muslims four different times that they can keep women captive as rape slaves: Koran 4:24, 8:69, 23:5-6, and 33:50 (see also Abu Dawud 11:2150 and Sahih Muslim 8:3433).
Allah himself gave Muslim men permission to rape captive women in front of their husbands. Koran 4:24
Mohammed actually encouraged the rape of non-Muslim women. He told his followers not to bother pulling out when they raped captive women, but to go ahead and ejaculate inside them. Sahih Bukhari 34:432 and Sahih Muslim 8:3371
Muslims are taught that Mohammed is "a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (Koran 33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (Koran 68:4), the pinnacle of virtue and good character. Muslims are to emulate him in literally every way.
you claim that 3:73 calls christians and jews deceitful?
3:73
"And do not trust except those who follow your religion." Say, "Indeed, the [true] guidance is the guidance of Allah . [Do you fear] lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise."
where do you see the word deceitful? or that the quran calls the christians deceitful ? why do you lie ?
Don't you follow the faith of Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jacob and Jesus? I will strictly follow this verse as to not argue further... even though it is not supposed to be targeting you, with all the lying and not quoting the text you've been doing, you fit the description put forward by the quran brilliantly.
46:29-35
"And [mention, O Muhammad], when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners. They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard a [recited] Book revealed after Moses confirming what was before it which guides to the truth and to a straight path. O our people, respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him; Allah will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment. But he who does not respond to the Caller of Allah will not cause failure [to Him] upon earth, and he will not have besides Him any protectors. Those are in manifest error." Do they not see that Allah , who created the heavens and earth and did not fail in their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Yes. Indeed, He is over all things competent. And the Day those who disbelieved are exposed to the Fire [it will be said], "Is this not the truth?" They will say, "Yes, by our Lord." He will say, "Then taste the punishment because you used to disbelieve." So be patient, [O Muhammad], as were those of determination among the messengers and do not be impatient for them. It will be - on the Day they see that which they are promised - as though they had not remained [in the world] except an hour of a day. [This is] notification. And will [any] be destroyed except the defiantly disobedient people?"
Where do you see that the quran in here calls christians or jew worse than demons? read it again and tell me.
You are lying, son, lying to your teeth, and eerily enough this part of the quran talks to you personally and asks you after all the quotes that you have twisted and put forward here that every time showed you were calling the quran out for something it never did. "Is this not the truth?" meta-think again what you are doing. as of the argument, at this point the quran itself is meta enough to answer you on this without me adding anything.
7:175-176
"And recite to them, [O Muhammad], the news of him to whom we gave [knowledge of] Our signs, but he detached himself from them; so Satan pursued him, and he became of the deviators. And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought."
have a good read. I truly don't need to add further. if you see yourself as a christian, as worshipping Satan and following satan, then sure this verse talks about you.
5:59 - 60
"Say, "O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?" Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."
I find it quite eerie that you quote verses from the quran, and what I see is that it doesn't call christians and jews any names except a fringe of them that are defiantly disobediant to God and who are hypocrites at heart. if you feel targeted by this on a meta level. I'm sorry for you, son.
2:65
"And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised.""
So the quran in fact is more jewish than the jews themselves. The quran speaks here about jews who didn't observe the Sabbath as it is due and that God was angry with them. How is that the quran calls all jews as such? How is it again that the quran allows muslims to humiliate all jews? Do you want God to be happy with the jews who transgress the sabbath? ask the nearest Rabbi!
7:163-166
"And ask them about the town that was by the sea - when they transgressed in [the matter of] the sabbath - when their fish came to them openly on their sabbath day, and the day they had no sabbath they did not come to them. Thus did We give them trial because they were defiantly disobedient. And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him." And when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We saved those who had forbidden evil and seized those who wronged, with a wretched punishment, because they were defiantly disobeying. So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."
This is a famous story of jews who didn't obvserve the Sabbath, and god was very angry with them not because they didn't obverve the Sabbath but because they were insolent and defiantly disobedient about it. Again, against your nearest Rabbi what he thinks about not observing the Sabbath. How do you feel targeted? and how does this make the quran humiliate all the jews of give carte blanche to do so? if anything it helps jews call out those who don't observe the Sabbath as an example.
Then now, you jump to Sahihs. are they quran? no. what are they? you quote them as if they were theological or religious text. The only book in islam is the quran that's the only theology. anything else only engages their authors. In fact, those who wrote the Sahih went against the wishes of Muhammad and wrote them anyway, compiling thousands and thousands of idioms and saying, that were 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' spoken by Muhammad the man in his daily life and not as revelations from God. I will not discuss them as again they are not withing the perview of what I said. i.e. that the quran doesn't humiliate or calls to killing or raping jew or christians. (or anyone for that matter actually) and so far I have explained everyone of your quotes as should be. I can only say that what you did is 'Fake News' and I have proved it. You're very fake news in the voice of the best president in History of the USA.
2:190-193
"Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors."
Fitna means "chaos" or "unrest"
Truly you don't deserve any response further from me. Where does it say in this verse that muslims should fight the christians? it clearly says to muslims they they should only fight if they are fought against and that this must not be transgressed! Please read and quote the whole text not just the numbers. You're very fake news. But I guess thanks for the opportunity you give me to show the world what the verses truly mean and what kind of lies it is to put numbers without text.
8:38-39
"Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return [to hostility] - then the precedent of the former [rebellious] peoples has already taken place. And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do."
You quote a verse, that explains that God is accepting peace if the disbelievers cease their hostilities against the muslims and to fight back if the disbelievers attack again.
How is this related to christians (people who believe in God) or jews (people who believe in God) and any people who do not attack us? Are we not allowed to defend ourselves if we are being killed?
9:29
"Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
Still in the context of the time, where muslims were attacked by pagans, this verse asks to fight those who do not believe in God, the Day of Judgement, and those who do not follow (mostly) the ten commandments. It also specifies the way of dealing with christians and jews, who though identify as such, do not believe in God and do not follow the 10 commandments amongst other important laws. If they wish to continue not following the rules (not steal/not kill/ not lie etc) , they have to pay a Penalty fee/Fine (a form of tax) which is called jizyah. Although the word fight is used here, it is a loose translation, as the meaning behind the verse is policing/law enforcement. pretty much like when a sherif chases outlaws and makes them pay a fine if they steal. And if they fight back and do not want to answer for common justice well... you see what a sherif does to a non-complying outlaw... the sherif fights. Again, I don't know how you conclude that it is calling for arms against all christians or all jews if they follow the law.
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Except Christians have progressed into the modern age. It is a statement of fact to say Islam is still living in the dark age.
CURRENTLY, no other religion on earth has a suicide bombing problem. No other religion on earth quotes their bible while filming a beheading on video, or says their god is great before exploding themselves up. No other religion teaches how to make pressure cooker bombs on your kitchen table and blow up marathon runners.
Christian parents who read the Bible nowadays don’t acid attack their children, and don’t honor kill them. Can’t say the same for the ones reading the koran. How about gunning down cartoonists for insulting Jesus, not really happening either. Did any Christians get put to death by Christians for blasphemy this year? How many Christians got out to death by muslims?
How about raping and beheading on video 2 Scandinavian girls because the quoran says it’s okay to humiliate, rape and kill non-believers and to kill the infidel using a blade on their throat? Equating modern Christianity to Islam teachings is intellectual dishonesty.
as if suicide bombing has its reason in islamic theology. that's nonsensical.
suicide bombing has existed and will always exist in any struggle where no other means are available. The germans did it in 1945 when they were losing, the japanese did it too. The Rott Army Faktion did it even in the 70s.
It is you who is guilty of intellectual dishonesty if you make suicide bombing rooted in Islam when it has nothing to do with its theology.
And regarding the scandinavian victims amongst others, the crime of some batshit crazy monsters doesn't make that linked to the theology.
The quran says it's okay to humiliate rape and kill non-believers?! that's new! Perhaps you are quoting the Talmud and thinking it's the quran, cause I read the quran back to back and several times and there is no such thing there.
The Koran tells Muslims four different times that they can keep women captive as rape slaves: Koran 4:24, 8:69, 23:5-6, and 33:50 (see also Abu Dawud 11:2150 and Sahih Muslim 8:3433).
Allah himself gave Muslim men permission to rape captive women in front of their husbands. Koran 4:24
Mohammed actually encouraged the rape of non-Muslim women. He told his followers not to bother pulling out when they raped captive women, but to go ahead and ejaculate inside them. Sahih Bukhari 34:432 and Sahih Muslim 8:3371
Muslims are taught that Mohammed is "a beautiful pattern of conduct for anyone whose hope is in Allah" (Koran 33:21) and "an exalted standard of character" (Koran 68:4), the pinnacle of virtue and good character. Muslims are to emulate him in literally every way.
Continuation:
you claim that 3:73 calls christians and jews deceitful?
3:73 "And do not trust except those who follow your religion." Say, "Indeed, the [true] guidance is the guidance of Allah . [Do you fear] lest someone be given [knowledge] like you were given or that they would [thereby] argue with you before your Lord?" Say, "Indeed, [all] bounty is in the hand of Allah - He grants it to whom He wills. And Allah is all-Encompassing and Wise."
where do you see the word deceitful? or that the quran calls the christians deceitful ? why do you lie ?
Don't you follow the faith of Abraham, Isaac, Joseph, Moses, David, Solomon, Jacob and Jesus? I will strictly follow this verse as to not argue further... even though it is not supposed to be targeting you, with all the lying and not quoting the text you've been doing, you fit the description put forward by the quran brilliantly.
46:29-35 "And [mention, O Muhammad], when We directed to you a few of the jinn, listening to the Qur'an. And when they attended it, they said, "Listen quietly." And when it was concluded, they went back to their people as warners. They said, "O our people, indeed we have heard a [recited] Book revealed after Moses confirming what was before it which guides to the truth and to a straight path. O our people, respond to the Messenger of Allah and believe in him; Allah will forgive for you your sins and protect you from a painful punishment. But he who does not respond to the Caller of Allah will not cause failure [to Him] upon earth, and he will not have besides Him any protectors. Those are in manifest error." Do they not see that Allah , who created the heavens and earth and did not fail in their creation, is able to give life to the dead? Yes. Indeed, He is over all things competent. And the Day those who disbelieved are exposed to the Fire [it will be said], "Is this not the truth?" They will say, "Yes, by our Lord." He will say, "Then taste the punishment because you used to disbelieve." So be patient, [O Muhammad], as were those of determination among the messengers and do not be impatient for them. It will be - on the Day they see that which they are promised - as though they had not remained [in the world] except an hour of a day. [This is] notification. And will [any] be destroyed except the defiantly disobedient people?"
Where do you see that the quran in here calls christians or jew worse than demons? read it again and tell me.
You are lying, son, lying to your teeth, and eerily enough this part of the quran talks to you personally and asks you after all the quotes that you have twisted and put forward here that every time showed you were calling the quran out for something it never did. "Is this not the truth?" meta-think again what you are doing. as of the argument, at this point the quran itself is meta enough to answer you on this without me adding anything.
7:175-176 "And recite to them, [O Muhammad], the news of him to whom we gave [knowledge of] Our signs, but he detached himself from them; so Satan pursued him, and he became of the deviators. And if We had willed, we could have elevated him thereby, but he adhered [instead] to the earth and followed his own desire. So his example is like that of the dog: if you chase him, he pants, or if you leave him, he [still] pants. That is the example of the people who denied Our signs. So relate the stories that perhaps they will give thought."
have a good read. I truly don't need to add further. if you see yourself as a christian, as worshipping Satan and following satan, then sure this verse talks about you.
5:59 - 60 "Say, "O People of the Scripture, do you resent us except [for the fact] that we have believed in Allah and what was revealed to us and what was revealed before and because most of you are defiantly disobedient?" Say, "Shall I inform you of [what is] worse than that as penalty from Allah ? [It is that of] those whom Allah has cursed and with whom He became angry and made of them apes and pigs and slaves of Taghut. Those are worse in position and further astray from the sound way."
I find it quite eerie that you quote verses from the quran, and what I see is that it doesn't call christians and jews any names except a fringe of them that are defiantly disobediant to God and who are hypocrites at heart. if you feel targeted by this on a meta level. I'm sorry for you, son.
2:65 "And you had already known about those who transgressed among you concerning the sabbath, and We said to them, "Be apes, despised.""
So the quran in fact is more jewish than the jews themselves. The quran speaks here about jews who didn't observe the Sabbath as it is due and that God was angry with them. How is that the quran calls all jews as such? How is it again that the quran allows muslims to humiliate all jews? Do you want God to be happy with the jews who transgress the sabbath? ask the nearest Rabbi!
7:163-166 "And ask them about the town that was by the sea - when they transgressed in [the matter of] the sabbath - when their fish came to them openly on their sabbath day, and the day they had no sabbath they did not come to them. Thus did We give them trial because they were defiantly disobedient. And when a community among them said, "Why do you advise [or warn] a people whom Allah is [about] to destroy or to punish with a severe punishment?" they [the advisors] said, "To be absolved before your Lord and perhaps they may fear Him." And when they forgot that by which they had been reminded, We saved those who had forbidden evil and seized those who wronged, with a wretched punishment, because they were defiantly disobeying. So when they were insolent about that which they had been forbidden, We said to them, "Be apes, despised."
This is a famous story of jews who didn't obvserve the Sabbath, and god was very angry with them not because they didn't obverve the Sabbath but because they were insolent and defiantly disobedient about it. Again, against your nearest Rabbi what he thinks about not observing the Sabbath. How do you feel targeted? and how does this make the quran humiliate all the jews of give carte blanche to do so? if anything it helps jews call out those who don't observe the Sabbath as an example.
Then now, you jump to Sahihs. are they quran? no. what are they? you quote them as if they were theological or religious text. The only book in islam is the quran that's the only theology. anything else only engages their authors. In fact, those who wrote the Sahih went against the wishes of Muhammad and wrote them anyway, compiling thousands and thousands of idioms and saying, that were 'allegedly' and 'reportedly' spoken by Muhammad the man in his daily life and not as revelations from God. I will not discuss them as again they are not withing the perview of what I said. i.e. that the quran doesn't humiliate or calls to killing or raping jew or christians. (or anyone for that matter actually) and so far I have explained everyone of your quotes as should be. I can only say that what you did is 'Fake News' and I have proved it. You're very fake news in the voice of the best president in History of the USA.
2:190-193 "Fight in the way of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress. Indeed. Allah does not like transgressors. And kill them wherever you overtake them and expel them from wherever they have expelled you, and fitnah is worse than killing. And do not fight them at al-Masjid al- Haram until they fight you there. But if they fight you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers. And if they cease, then indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. Fight them until there is no [more] fitnah and [until] worship is [acknowledged to be] for Allah . But if they cease, then there is to be no aggression except against the oppressors."
Fitna means "chaos" or "unrest"
Truly you don't deserve any response further from me. Where does it say in this verse that muslims should fight the christians? it clearly says to muslims they they should only fight if they are fought against and that this must not be transgressed! Please read and quote the whole text not just the numbers. You're very fake news. But I guess thanks for the opportunity you give me to show the world what the verses truly mean and what kind of lies it is to put numbers without text.
8:38-39 "Say to those who have disbelieved [that] if they cease, what has previously occurred will be forgiven for them. But if they return [to hostility] - then the precedent of the former [rebellious] peoples has already taken place. And fight them until there is no fitnah and [until] the religion, all of it, is for Allah . And if they cease - then indeed, Allah is Seeing of what they do."
You quote a verse, that explains that God is accepting peace if the disbelievers cease their hostilities against the muslims and to fight back if the disbelievers attack again. How is this related to christians (people who believe in God) or jews (people who believe in God) and any people who do not attack us? Are we not allowed to defend ourselves if we are being killed?
9:29 "Fight those who do not believe in Allah or in the Last Day and who do not consider unlawful what Allah and His Messenger have made unlawful and who do not adopt the religion of truth from those who were given the Scripture - [fight] until they give the jizyah willingly while they are humbled."
Still in the context of the time, where muslims were attacked by pagans, this verse asks to fight those who do not believe in God, the Day of Judgement, and those who do not follow (mostly) the ten commandments. It also specifies the way of dealing with christians and jews, who though identify as such, do not believe in God and do not follow the 10 commandments amongst other important laws. If they wish to continue not following the rules (not steal/not kill/ not lie etc) , they have to pay a Penalty fee/Fine (a form of tax) which is called jizyah. Although the word fight is used here, it is a loose translation, as the meaning behind the verse is policing/law enforcement. pretty much like when a sherif chases outlaws and makes them pay a fine if they steal. And if they fight back and do not want to answer for common justice well... you see what a sherif does to a non-complying outlaw... the sherif fights. Again, I don't know how you conclude that it is calling for arms against all christians or all jews if they follow the law.
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