Continuation:
9:5
"And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Read it please. tell me where do you see that it call on killing christians or jews. The verse is very context specific, it talks about polytheists. Which one? the pagans I spoke to you about before who were in the arabian peninsula. What sacred months does the vers speak aobut here? don't you think it has to have further explanation ?
9:1-6
"[This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers. And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment. Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."
Have a good read.
the chapter 9 is a very very context specific chapter, that has been revealed in a time of war in the arabian peninsula between the pagans and the muslims. pagans have started hostilities killing the muslim minority and chasing them out of their homes. What ensued are years of war in which muslims have been defending themselves. This chapter 9 has come after a treaty of truce, which the pagans have soon gone against. So in this chapter the Lord gives the muslims time before to respond issuting this statement of disassociation and warning the pagans before hand that after the 4 months, hostilities will start again, because they have not respected the treaties of truce that were agreed before. Even in this context, God explains that if the pagans cease hostilities and repent, then God is forgiving and muslims will cease to attack. Furthermore, even during the war and the fighting, in verse 9:6 God gives clear instructions that in case of pagan individuals that seek protection and safe passage they shall be granted that by the muslims and so it was.
Please remind me again how is this applicable to christians or jews, how is this applicable in 2021 and how is this applicable outside the arabian penninsula?!
You say there are 30 verses. I know the quran and honestly these 2:193, 8:38-39, 9:29, 9:5 are the only ones you could twist to make it look like you are right. I don't know of any other verse that preaches killing jews or christians. if you have them please quote them in number and in text so that we can show the world what the quran says. if it is so atrocious like you pretend, we really have to denounce it. but so far. you've just showed you are very fake news. and that all the verses either target pagan polytheists in the arabian peninsula who were known to bury their baby girls alive just because they were not boys and who practiced human sacrifice and other atrocites and any jew or christian who ally themselves with them.
Are you allied with baby-killing pagans?
You cite 9:73 as though it means non-muslims go to hell. well if you consider youself a hypocrite, then yes, the verse is for you:
"O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
Don't you agree that those who do not believe in God the Almighty and who are hypocrites will go to hell?
Again, this is quoted from chapter 9 which is very very specific to the era and the people it targets in a situation of war in the arabic peninsula at the time of the first muslims where they were a minority and fought against violently by monstrous pagans and some criminal that proclaimed themselves to be christians or jews but who do not represent all the christians or all the jews. Do you identify yourself as an ally of baby-killing pagans and who would kill a muslim just because they are a muslim? if so, then the verse talk about you. if not then why do you say that the quran targets every christian as going to hell?
66:9-11
"O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination. Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter." And Allah presents an example of those who believed: the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, "My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people. "
Have a good read. It's amazing how every verse you quote completey dispells any misconception as who the quran is targeting. the very verses you quote completely explain who the disbelievers are and who the believers are. Read the example put forth here. Disbeliever in the quran doesn't mean christian or jew. and as example of disbeliever, God gives the example of the wife of Noah, and of the wife of Lot, who allegedly where the closest to Noah and Lot respectively, and who were in name following God but were in fact disbelievers. and God also gives the example of a believer even before islam began and without even being called muslim, the wife of the pharaoh who chased Moses, she doesn't know God, she never read the Quran, never heard of such thing as islam yet the quran considers her to be a believer.
Then tell me how do you see the Quran making a distinction by name between muslim v. non-muslim?
you're very fake news.
40:70-72
"Those who deny the Book and that with which We sent Our messengers - they are going to know, When the shackles are around their necks and the chains; they will be dragged In boiling water; then in the Fire they will be filled [with flame]."
The Book means the Old Testament and the Evangile.
So you quote a verse from the quran to tell me that those who deny the Old Testament and the Evangile will go to hell. Ok.
Either you don't believe in the Old Testament and the Evangile, or that you are accusing the quran of things it never stated. So either you are a bad christian or a liar. you're very fake news.
22:19-22
"These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins.
And for [striking] them are maces of iron. Every time they want to get out of Hellfire from anguish, they will be returned to it, and [it will be said], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire!"
Again, you quote a verse from the quran that describes Hell. what does it say about who goes to hell? does it specify christians or jews? it specifies clearly disbelievers. and to know who the quran means by disbelievers see examples in 66:10 as I quoted above : "Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter.""
in fact if you were honest enough to quote just a few verses before to give more context :
22:17
"Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah - Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness."
God acknowledges that Christians and Jews and Sabeans and people of God will all be judged in the Day of Resurrection. Meaning they will be judged by their deeds. There will be those who will go to hell (the wifes of Noah and Lot as an example) and there will be those who will go to heaven (the wife of pharaoh as an example). How is this muslim v. non-muslim dichotomy? why didn't you quote verse 22:17. Damn you are worse than a CNN reporter covering Trump! you're very fake news!
500 verses?! Show them please ! I need to see those ! because if they just as clumsy as the ones you put forwards now it will be really useful! I'd love to see the other 500 verses where the quran say those who deny the Old Testament and the Evangile will go to hell like 40:70-72. please show them!
Continuation: 9:5 "And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful."
Read it please. tell me where do you see that it call on killing christians or jews. The verse is very context specific, it talks about polytheists. Which one? the pagans I spoke to you about before who were in the arabian peninsula. What sacred months does the vers speak aobut here? don't you think it has to have further explanation ?
9:1-6 "[This is a declaration of] disassociation, from Allah and His Messenger, to those with whom you had made a treaty among the polytheists. So travel freely, [O disbelievers], throughout the land [during] four months but know that you cannot cause failure to Allah and that Allah will disgrace the disbelievers. And [it is] an announcement from Allah and His Messenger to the people on the day of the greater pilgrimage that Allah is disassociated from the disbelievers, and [so is] His Messenger. So if you repent, that is best for you; but if you turn away - then know that you will not cause failure to Allah . And give tidings to those who disbelieve of a painful punishment. Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the polytheists and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term [has ended]. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous [who fear Him]. And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the polytheists wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and give zakah, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful. And if any one of the polytheists seeks your protection, then grant him protection so that he may hear the words of Allah . Then deliver him to his place of safety. That is because they are a people who do not know."
Have a good read. the chapter 9 is a very very context specific chapter, that has been revealed in a time of war in the arabian peninsula between the pagans and the muslims. pagans have started hostilities killing the muslim minority and chasing them out of their homes. What ensued are years of war in which muslims have been defending themselves. This chapter 9 has come after a treaty of truce, which the pagans have soon gone against. So in this chapter the Lord gives the muslims time before to respond issuting this statement of disassociation and warning the pagans before hand that after the 4 months, hostilities will start again, because they have not respected the treaties of truce that were agreed before. Even in this context, God explains that if the pagans cease hostilities and repent, then God is forgiving and muslims will cease to attack. Furthermore, even during the war and the fighting, in verse 9:6 God gives clear instructions that in case of pagan individuals that seek protection and safe passage they shall be granted that by the muslims and so it was.
Please remind me again how is this applicable to christians or jews, how is this applicable in 2021 and how is this applicable outside the arabian penninsula?!
You say there are 30 verses. I know the quran and honestly these 2:193, 8:38-39, 9:29, 9:5 are the only ones you could twist to make it look like you are right. I don't know of any other verse that preaches killing jews or christians. if you have them please quote them in number and in text so that we can show the world what the quran says. if it is so atrocious like you pretend, we really have to denounce it. but so far. you've just showed you are very fake news. and that all the verses either target pagan polytheists in the arabian peninsula who were known to bury their baby girls alive just because they were not boys and who practiced human sacrifice and other atrocites and any jew or christian who ally themselves with them.
Are you allied with baby-killing pagans?
You cite 9:73 as though it means non-muslims go to hell. well if you consider youself a hypocrite, then yes, the verse is for you:
"O Prophet, fight against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination."
Don't you agree that those who do not believe in God the Almighty and who are hypocrites will go to hell?
Again, this is quoted from chapter 9 which is very very specific to the era and the people it targets in a situation of war in the arabic peninsula at the time of the first muslims where they were a minority and fought against violently by monstrous pagans and some criminal that proclaimed themselves to be christians or jews but who do not represent all the christians or all the jews. Do you identify yourself as an ally of baby-killing pagans and who would kill a muslim just because they are a muslim? if so, then the verse talk about you. if not then why do you say that the quran targets every christian as going to hell?
66:9-11 "O Prophet, strive against the disbelievers and the hypocrites and be harsh upon them. And their refuge is Hell, and wretched is the destination. Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter." And Allah presents an example of those who believed: the wife of Pharaoh, when she said, "My Lord, build for me near You a house in Paradise and save me from Pharaoh and his deeds and save me from the wrongdoing people. "
Have a good read. It's amazing how every verse you quote completey dispells any misconception as who the quran is targeting. the very verses you quote completely explain who the disbelievers are and who the believers are. Read the example put forth here. Disbeliever in the quran doesn't mean christian or jew. and as example of disbeliever, God gives the example of the wife of Noah, and of the wife of Lot, who allegedly where the closest to Noah and Lot respectively, and who were in name following God but were in fact disbelievers. and God also gives the example of a believer even before islam began and without even being called muslim, the wife of the pharaoh who chased Moses, she doesn't know God, she never read the Quran, never heard of such thing as islam yet the quran considers her to be a believer.
Then tell me how do you see the Quran making a distinction by name between muslim v. non-muslim? you're very fake news.
40:70-72 "Those who deny the Book and that with which We sent Our messengers - they are going to know, When the shackles are around their necks and the chains; they will be dragged In boiling water; then in the Fire they will be filled [with flame]."
The Book means the Old Testament and the Evangile.
So you quote a verse from the quran to tell me that those who deny the Old Testament and the Evangile will go to hell. Ok. Either you don't believe in the Old Testament and the Evangile, or that you are accusing the quran of things it never stated. So either you are a bad christian or a liar. you're very fake news.
22:19-22 "These are two adversaries who have disputed over their Lord. But those who disbelieved will have cut out for them garments of fire. Poured upon their heads will be scalding water By which is melted that within their bellies and [their] skins. And for [striking] them are maces of iron. Every time they want to get out of Hellfire from anguish, they will be returned to it, and [it will be said], "Taste the punishment of the Burning Fire!"
Again, you quote a verse from the quran that describes Hell. what does it say about who goes to hell? does it specify christians or jews? it specifies clearly disbelievers. and to know who the quran means by disbelievers see examples in 66:10 as I quoted above : "Allah presents an example of those who disbelieved: the wife of Noah and the wife of Lot. They were under two of Our righteous servants but betrayed them, so those prophets did not avail them from Allah at all, and it was said, "Enter the Fire with those who enter.""
in fact if you were honest enough to quote just a few verses before to give more context : 22:17 "Indeed, those who have believed and those who were Jews and the Sabeans and the Christians and the Magians and those who associated with Allah - Allah will judge between them on the Day of Resurrection. Indeed Allah is, over all things, Witness."
God acknowledges that Christians and Jews and Sabeans and people of God will all be judged in the Day of Resurrection. Meaning they will be judged by their deeds. There will be those who will go to hell (the wifes of Noah and Lot as an example) and there will be those who will go to heaven (the wife of pharaoh as an example). How is this muslim v. non-muslim dichotomy? why didn't you quote verse 22:17. Damn you are worse than a CNN reporter covering Trump! you're very fake news!
500 verses?! Show them please ! I need to see those ! because if they just as clumsy as the ones you put forwards now it will be really useful! I'd love to see the other 500 verses where the quran say those who deny the Old Testament and the Evangile will go to hell like 40:70-72. please show them!
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