Definitely not. Sad that we can recognize that 99% of what we learn in history books is bullshit crafted by the ruling class and Marxist professors, but when it comes to Lincoln we gobble up the bullshit and then ask for more.
I'm actually impressed that the comments about Lincoln here understand his controversial place in history. That's not a viewpoint I encounter very often. Refreshing.
his presidency to me so far is best described as grey at best. Leaning towards probably not that great slightly.
But at least definitely no constitutional fundamentalist super duper anti slavery hero he's made out to be. That said, maybe he truly believed in the union's need to exist to fight off older countries and said fuck it using every over reach of power he could in war time... We look back as truther's and hate that.
But I'm really starting to think even the founding father's just accidentally created something so near perfect and infallible. Greatest experiment of all time we are still experiencing in the tiny toot of history, just a couple century... that's nothing...
All i know i truly believe in is freedom and this bastardized version of it is the only shiny beacon in just about all modern history of it... Ands that's worth fighting for.
The revolutionary war and wars like the scots rebelling under England are about the only wars i can guarantee as righteous. When the common folk rebel against their rulers. Sometimes they also get steered and fuck up their new shit with communism... But i'm sure the fighters believed in it...
World history seems to be a lot more grey in every single conflict. Just know in modern history it's always the common folk fighting the fights of the powers that be... That's all i need to know.
Lincoln has always been a tricky spot for this forum. You can have the most cynical, untrusting, Alex Jones-watching pedes on Earth and you toss Lincoln out and all of a sudden it's "muh Republican, muh slaves" like the worst we see on the left.
It's an incredibly emotional blind spot and you can see from the downvotes that some people straight up can't even stand seeing Lincoln being questioned.
The truth is, the history that was taught to us is quite often inaccurate, and Lincoln was put on a pedestal despite some pretty glaring examples of some rather odious policies.
Lincoln also has the historical benefit of being martyred. That's always gained him sympathy points.
Be elected with less than 50% of the vote, with the majority of your supporters spending the campaign season banning books from people they don't like, and forming mobs to attack police/soldiers trying to enforce federal law
Implement the first income tax in history
Allow the military to seize peoples' guns and food without compensation or a warrant
Allow the military to arrest people on trump up charges of "sedition," and hold them without charges
Hire a bunch of private mercenaries to act as your personal bodyguard, intimidating rivals and keeping you fortified in the White House
Order the military to keep tens of thousands of troops around the capitol and turn it into a fortress
Give the government control over production in several industries, and control over railroads and telegraphs
Implement the draft, but allow your rich donors to buy their way out of military service
Allow your rich buddies to purchase an officer's commission in your military, if they so choose
Indebt your nation to international banks for decades afterwards
Spike inflation by creating the first fiat, paper currency in American history
Fill your army with immigrant diversity hires, including entire divisions that did not speak English
Allow open Communists to serve as officers in your army because they were abolitionists and you wanted to appease your allies
Allow your generals to implement redistribution of land and property from your enemies to gain political support at home
Threaten on multiple occasions to have your opponents arrested by the military for "treason"
Kind of sounds familiar, but I'm talking about Lincoln, not Biden
Is that any different from the US Founding Fathers who everyone acts like were the most perfect men who ever walked the face of the earth? History is written by the victors, but to an extent certain types of propaganda that foster national pride aren't necessarily terrible things. For many people the history of their nation is an important aspect of loving their nation. To hear that national heroes were very imperfect men would harm their ideal image of the nation.
I remember going to the American History museum in DC when I was about 11 with my grandparents. When we saw Abe Lincoln’s hat, my grandpa said “one of the greatest presidents my ass. Anyone who was in office during the war would’ve been seen as ‘one of the greatest presidents’”
11 year old me just thought, ah a bitter confederate mad at the yanks for winning, but after looking more into Abe Lincoln...
starts war over tax revenue that kills 700,000 Americans and gulags any journalists who are trying to report on how awful the war is to maintain public support for it
Abe wasn't the hero we all grew up thinking he was.
Definitely not. Sad that we can recognize that 99% of what we learn in history books is bullshit crafted by the ruling class and Marxist professors, but when it comes to Lincoln we gobble up the bullshit and then ask for more.
I'm actually impressed that the comments about Lincoln here understand his controversial place in history. That's not a viewpoint I encounter very often. Refreshing.
his presidency to me so far is best described as grey at best. Leaning towards probably not that great slightly.
But at least definitely no constitutional fundamentalist super duper anti slavery hero he's made out to be. That said, maybe he truly believed in the union's need to exist to fight off older countries and said fuck it using every over reach of power he could in war time... We look back as truther's and hate that.
But I'm really starting to think even the founding father's just accidentally created something so near perfect and infallible. Greatest experiment of all time we are still experiencing in the tiny toot of history, just a couple century... that's nothing...
All i know i truly believe in is freedom and this bastardized version of it is the only shiny beacon in just about all modern history of it... Ands that's worth fighting for.
The revolutionary war and wars like the scots rebelling under England are about the only wars i can guarantee as righteous. When the common folk rebel against their rulers. Sometimes they also get steered and fuck up their new shit with communism... But i'm sure the fighters believed in it...
World history seems to be a lot more grey in every single conflict. Just know in modern history it's always the common folk fighting the fights of the powers that be... That's all i need to know.
And the banks to fund them all....
Lincoln was controversial
That's like saying Hitler was mean
https://patriots.win/p/12i4MjTtTj/x/c/4DzepNoCGcZ
That's literally the definition of "controversial". You listed a set of alternative facts that goes against the accepted version of history.
I happen to agree with at least some of your version.
Lincoln has always been a tricky spot for this forum. You can have the most cynical, untrusting, Alex Jones-watching pedes on Earth and you toss Lincoln out and all of a sudden it's "muh Republican, muh slaves" like the worst we see on the left.
It's an incredibly emotional blind spot and you can see from the downvotes that some people straight up can't even stand seeing Lincoln being questioned.
Yup, hence my use of the term "controversial".
The truth is, the history that was taught to us is quite often inaccurate, and Lincoln was put on a pedestal despite some pretty glaring examples of some rather odious policies.
Lincoln also has the historical benefit of being martyred. That's always gained him sympathy points.
Kind of sounds familiar, but I'm talking about Lincoln, not Biden
Is that any different from the US Founding Fathers who everyone acts like were the most perfect men who ever walked the face of the earth? History is written by the victors, but to an extent certain types of propaganda that foster national pride aren't necessarily terrible things. For many people the history of their nation is an important aspect of loving their nation. To hear that national heroes were very imperfect men would harm their ideal image of the nation.
I remember going to the American History museum in DC when I was about 11 with my grandparents. When we saw Abe Lincoln’s hat, my grandpa said “one of the greatest presidents my ass. Anyone who was in office during the war would’ve been seen as ‘one of the greatest presidents’”
11 year old me just thought, ah a bitter confederate mad at the yanks for winning, but after looking more into Abe Lincoln...
Fuck the propaganda about that guy.
starts war over tax revenue that kills 700,000 Americans and gulags any journalists who are trying to report on how awful the war is to maintain public support for it
so heckin honest and wholesum
Don’t forget “freeing” the slaves....
....only in confederate territory and letting union bois keep theirs :)
Too much for you huh, it's a big red pill.
The new red pill is the black pill! Reality baby!
Any resource or topic one could check out to get enlightened?
Ken Burns: The Civil War
https://www.al.com/opinion/2015/06/war-over-slavery_rhetoric_is_i.html
Sure he was.
One of our Greatest.
https://patriots.win/p/12i4MjTtTj/x/c/4DzepNoCGcZ
Revisionist BS....
Try not to be fooled...
READ THE LINCOLN DOUGLAS DEBATES - and you will know LINCOLN'S OWN WORDS... instead of some slime 'revisionist' garbage.
oh, yes, because we know a politician would never say something to appease the voters then actually doing something else
like promising the south he would not abolish slavery. then after he was elected immediately siding with the abolitionists