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Bullet3250 -2 points ago +1 / -3

Revisionist BS....

Try not to be fooled...

READ THE LINCOLN DOUGLAS DEBATES - and you will know LINCOLN'S OWN WORDS... instead of some slime 'revisionist' garbage.

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MasklessMarvel 4 points ago +4 / -0

oh, yes, because we know a politician would never say something to appease the voters then actually doing something else

like promising the south he would not abolish slavery. then after he was elected immediately siding with the abolitionists

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Bullet3250 0 points ago +2 / -2

The republican party was formed to end slavery.

The South left the Union because of this fight.

Had the South not left - maybe Lincoln would not have signed the Emancipation Proclamation. It was 'THE WAR' itself that gave him those powers.... I hope you know that. As the Confederate states did not fall under Yank control - the Proclamation held legally.

IF the South had stayed in.... and SC does not fire on that fort... Lincoln does not have the power to sign that document.

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MasklessMarvel 2 points ago +2 / -0

not true

the war was about money and powerful, not slavery. slavery was used as a tool

Lincoln promised the south he would not interfere with slavery when he ran for office. when he became president, he took an abolitionist stance

ending slavery would be a tremendous economic blow to the agricultural south and give the industrial norht dominance

so the south said fuck this and started secession

the north did not want to lose all of that tax money so war

The Emancipation Proclamation only applied to slaves in non-union states. The idea was to hurt the South economically and to get freed slaves to fight for the north

Regarding Ft Sumter

Lincoln wanted a war but he did not want to be blamed for starting it

The Ft was the last place there was Union troops in the south

So Lincoln baited the south by sending a supply ship to the fort

The Confederates saw this and assumed the North was about to invade, just as Lincoln had planned

So they fired the first shot

Maybe you are right. If Lincoln's plan failed, the war would have not have started there

but I feel it eventually would have started somewhere else

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Bullet3250 2 points ago +2 / -0

Everything that I know... contradicts most of the information you present.

And again - all I can say is 'REVISIONIST HISTORY' (books from post ~1970) - is ALL BULLSHAT - ALL IDEOLOGICALLY DRIVEN - NOT DRIVEN TO FIND THE TURTH...

and that is what you are telling me.... more revisionist history.

Go to History books written BEFORE 1970... books that QUOTE IN CONTEXT, leaders from the era.

Lincoln DID NOT WANT WAR....

The NORTH DID NOT WANT WAR.

SLAVE OWNED FARMS earned LESS per ACRE than similar farms that hired workers....

And the US was moving away from Slavery since the very first Draft of the Declaration of Independence.

Remember - again - only 3% of Southerners even owned slaves. Buying a slave was for the RICH only. And it was the same RICH who brought the war to the South.