That's not because there's a conspiracy regarding the teaching of history, it's because the world/history is complex. There isn't time in school to understand the complexity of ww2. There's a small timeline and "romance" in the rise and fall of Hitler - that's why his regime is the "star" of ww2. Russia is too complicated and requires more than a scant decade of history to really understand, and it never "ended" like Nazi Germany did. There is no event in history that has more primary source documents than ww2 - anyone can educate themselves on the insane complexity if they want. Expecting public school to do this in one course is asinine. "I can't believe kids don't understand quantum physics, didn't they take that one course on algebra???"
I agree, but what's the point in trying to teach kids a simplified and mostly incorrect version of the history anyway? It's just like you're saying, like trying to teach kids quantum physics, it's not the kids fault that they don't understand it.
I mean most kids are taught about Nazi Germany in first grade, which seems way to early, and they show pictures of dead children, saying things like racism was the cause, and that it all happened just because Hitler hated the Jews, never a word about why and so on.
At least wait until 9th grade, or better yet, keep it to college for those educating themselves in history. WW2 is so much more complex than the simplified propaganda class they force onto first graders.
Just recently I decided to read more about the American civil war. Same thing there. We’re taught (I’m from a north state) that the civil war was due to slavery, end of story, nothing else to talk about. But in reality, It’s much more complex than that...
Exactly, whoever wins the war writes the history. I've heard the south where actually doing good before the civil war, self sustainable, developed communities while the north where broke.
And slavery ain't exactly a new or old thing, it's always existed and still exist. Just look at Sleepy Joes illegal camps for illegal migrants, all those people will be used as free slave labor, if they refuse they get deported.
Then we have everyone who has a loan with interest they must pay, it's a dependency that causes slavery, modern slavery. At least the black slaves got a place to live and food, all in exchange for work, i.e better living conditions than in Africa.
Sure it's all slavery, but there are shades of that too.
yes, here's another example. Though we are taught that The Whigs (who became Republicans) were against slavery for moral reasons, there were other reasons, too. One was economic: a norther whig farmer didn't like that his wages would be pulled down given the large slave labor force doing similar work at slave labor rates.
I get that. It's kind of like us. But instead of being against "slavery" in quotes, we're against illegal immigrants, who are working for slave wages, bringing down wages for us citizens, while those who hire are loving the cheap labor.
I would argue that the way WW2 and the Nazis have been romanticized is the exact problem.
The Weimar Republic was largely nihilistic, as we see much of the western world now. The belief in any transcendent good or evil was labeled as oppressive. But nobody wants to be the bad guy. So how to become a "good guy"? Fight oppression. Sound familiar?
Hitler was evil. Yes, there is no doubt about that. However, what people fail to recognize is that there's no kid out there that thinks "I want to be an evil overlord when I grow up and violently take over the world". Hitler believed he was the "good guy", and that his actions would bring Germany to a pre-Christian life, with quaint pagan villages and communities living in harmony with nature. He largely blamed both Christians and Jews for Germany's problems, but believed if he got rid of (what he believed to be) the root of the problem, Christianity would eventually decay into some kind of pantheon-worship paganism with the trappings of Catholicism.
Now the thing we need to realize is much of Europe (and North America for that matter) was also like this at the time. Germany is just where it came to a head and blew up. WW2 gave "meaning" back to everyone, which "reset" the rest of the world. That is why it is so heavily romanticized. That is why we have the UN and other such organizations. That's why the endless war to supposedly prevent war. That's why we have globalism. The people behind this believe with every fiber of their beings that they are the "good guys" preventing more world war, even though they themselves are perpetuating it.
The modern SJWs are today's Nazis. They just don't know it yet. They are searching for meaning in their lives and they find it by fighting perceived oppression by those who believe in absolute good and evil. That means, yes, Christians and Jews. I believe we're in for another long, hard ride, that will last at least another decade.
That's not because there's a conspiracy regarding the teaching of history, it's because the world/history is complex. There isn't time in school to understand the complexity of ww2. There's a small timeline and "romance" in the rise and fall of Hitler - that's why his regime is the "star" of ww2. Russia is too complicated and requires more than a scant decade of history to really understand, and it never "ended" like Nazi Germany did. There is no event in history that has more primary source documents than ww2 - anyone can educate themselves on the insane complexity if they want. Expecting public school to do this in one course is asinine. "I can't believe kids don't understand quantum physics, didn't they take that one course on algebra???"
I agree, but what's the point in trying to teach kids a simplified and mostly incorrect version of the history anyway? It's just like you're saying, like trying to teach kids quantum physics, it's not the kids fault that they don't understand it.
I mean most kids are taught about Nazi Germany in first grade, which seems way to early, and they show pictures of dead children, saying things like racism was the cause, and that it all happened just because Hitler hated the Jews, never a word about why and so on.
At least wait until 9th grade, or better yet, keep it to college for those educating themselves in history. WW2 is so much more complex than the simplified propaganda class they force onto first graders.
Just recently I decided to read more about the American civil war. Same thing there. We’re taught (I’m from a north state) that the civil war was due to slavery, end of story, nothing else to talk about. But in reality, It’s much more complex than that...
Exactly, whoever wins the war writes the history. I've heard the south where actually doing good before the civil war, self sustainable, developed communities while the north where broke.
And slavery ain't exactly a new or old thing, it's always existed and still exist. Just look at Sleepy Joes illegal camps for illegal migrants, all those people will be used as free slave labor, if they refuse they get deported.
Then we have everyone who has a loan with interest they must pay, it's a dependency that causes slavery, modern slavery. At least the black slaves got a place to live and food, all in exchange for work, i.e better living conditions than in Africa.
Sure it's all slavery, but there are shades of that too.
yes, here's another example. Though we are taught that The Whigs (who became Republicans) were against slavery for moral reasons, there were other reasons, too. One was economic: a norther whig farmer didn't like that his wages would be pulled down given the large slave labor force doing similar work at slave labor rates.
I get that. It's kind of like us. But instead of being against "slavery" in quotes, we're against illegal immigrants, who are working for slave wages, bringing down wages for us citizens, while those who hire are loving the cheap labor.
I would argue that the way WW2 and the Nazis have been romanticized is the exact problem.
The Weimar Republic was largely nihilistic, as we see much of the western world now. The belief in any transcendent good or evil was labeled as oppressive. But nobody wants to be the bad guy. So how to become a "good guy"? Fight oppression. Sound familiar?
Hitler was evil. Yes, there is no doubt about that. However, what people fail to recognize is that there's no kid out there that thinks "I want to be an evil overlord when I grow up and violently take over the world". Hitler believed he was the "good guy", and that his actions would bring Germany to a pre-Christian life, with quaint pagan villages and communities living in harmony with nature. He largely blamed both Christians and Jews for Germany's problems, but believed if he got rid of (what he believed to be) the root of the problem, Christianity would eventually decay into some kind of pantheon-worship paganism with the trappings of Catholicism.
Now the thing we need to realize is much of Europe (and North America for that matter) was also like this at the time. Germany is just where it came to a head and blew up. WW2 gave "meaning" back to everyone, which "reset" the rest of the world. That is why it is so heavily romanticized. That is why we have the UN and other such organizations. That's why the endless war to supposedly prevent war. That's why we have globalism. The people behind this believe with every fiber of their beings that they are the "good guys" preventing more world war, even though they themselves are perpetuating it.
The modern SJWs are today's Nazis. They just don't know it yet. They are searching for meaning in their lives and they find it by fighting perceived oppression by those who believe in absolute good and evil. That means, yes, Christians and Jews. I believe we're in for another long, hard ride, that will last at least another decade.
I was taught that in school, red guard, kamer rouge, etc., but then, my teacher didn't have to spend half of class time teaching in spanish