Thinking of the police as an entity unto themselves is utterly incorrect. They are government functionaries. It seems that many people are just now discovering this, and it has them scandalized. Santa isn't real, the Easter Bunny was really your parents, and the police are an extension of local government.
They are only and exactly as good as their civilian leadership. There may be individuals who quietly question and avoid some of the questionable laws and orders that filter down to them, but any police agency will inexorably become what the civilian command creates.
Anyone waiting for the police to start the Revolution™ will be disappointed. Many will join in if the ball gets rolling, but a relative handful of people trained to enforce the law as it is understood aren't going to get things started. If laws and orders aren't countermanded by the judiciary and legislature, they stand. If the police seize unilateral authority to interpret laws and orders, you essentially have a local paramilitary coup.
We need to stop focusing on the whip in the hand of the tyrant and go straight to the tyrant. MAGA needs to flood public meetings of all kinds. Officials need to feel that the streets are full of the opposition. And it can never stop. If the citizens won't put down their TV remotes and game controllers, nothing can save them.
Police don't function though. Police cried at me all night for not being able to arrest me. I have to unclog this shit for them? Pathetic. The government has surrendered.
Police most decidedly do things, even if they aren't the things you'd like them to do. We don't want then functioning independently of their civilian government, either. We want to be that government.
No one wants to be a government. That's fucking stupid. Governments suck. No one participates in the system except through coercive action. When will 'the government' fix itself? It is all corrupted, yet they pretend to be above board and actually lawful. That is simply astounding.
The law, the Constitution, the Code of Hammurabi--they're all meaningless unless someone they are being enforced. One thing is certain, though: a society will be ruled. If the people will not maintain the presence to rule themselves, then someone else will do it.
Look at your fellow pedes. First, the military was going to ride in and fix this. Now, were upset that the police are doing exactly what the police have always done instead of riding in to fix this. We fix this, or it doesn't get fixed.
The government has surrendered nothing. In fact, they've claimed power prohibited to them by the Constitution. Did you notice what the Constitution has done in reply? Nothing, because it's a set of ideas.
My point is that ideas don't do anything without people to carry them forward.
Lemme guess, people are fallible, Jesus forgives them?
They've claimed more power than the Constitution ever granted them and now they are attacking the bill of rights. Like a wife beaten by her abusive authoritarian, we just come back and make it right after these many hundreds of years?
People don't need government. The people are going to find out everything and they'll make the choice for themselves.
That's like saying we just need good politicians. It comes down to minimizing the possibility of corruption. State sanctioned and controlled police forces, having no connection the public, is the very opposite of that. The only "police" I want is the one that's Constitutional and elected by the people to work for the people. And that's Sheriffs.
The Constitution doesn't address local law enforcement. The concept of local police being answerable as directly as possible to their communities is a good start, but it's only a concept. The Constitution, in fact, is only a concept, and it's only as good as its current interpretation.
I've been trying to get some of the doe-eyed children here to understand what the police are and how they work, but it hasn't gone well. As the truck steers toward them, many prefer to complain that the front grill shouldn't be pointed toward them, rather than thinking about the driver.
Any constabulary is a direct reflection of its civilian command. Mayors and city councils are all elected, and they hold public meetings. How often are those meeting filled with angry patriots demanding an end to government overreach? How often do leftist douchenozzles run unopposed for those positions?
Our masters like having layers of more visible protection, whether it be Antifa/BLM, the police, or whatever else they can keep attention focused on. These are all tools and weapons, and too many of us are failing to focus on the hand that wields them.
This only works if patriots get involved and stay involved. What was the price of liberty, again?
The Constitution doesn't address local law enforcement.
Sorry, I should have worded it better as I meant that the Sheriff's are accountable to the Constitution (state level and US), not that something is written about it. But like you say, people have to be involved to make sure they stay accountable.
Okay, I dig. I would love to see Americans (if that word still means anything) start reconsidering what they want the police to be. Until they claim control, though, that's a moot point.
Thinking of the police as an entity unto themselves is utterly incorrect. They are government functionaries. It seems that many people are just now discovering this, and it has them scandalized. Santa isn't real, the Easter Bunny was really your parents, and the police are an extension of local government.
They are only and exactly as good as their civilian leadership. There may be individuals who quietly question and avoid some of the questionable laws and orders that filter down to them, but any police agency will inexorably become what the civilian command creates.
Anyone waiting for the police to start the Revolution™ will be disappointed. Many will join in if the ball gets rolling, but a relative handful of people trained to enforce the law as it is understood aren't going to get things started. If laws and orders aren't countermanded by the judiciary and legislature, they stand. If the police seize unilateral authority to interpret laws and orders, you essentially have a local paramilitary coup.
We need to stop focusing on the whip in the hand of the tyrant and go straight to the tyrant. MAGA needs to flood public meetings of all kinds. Officials need to feel that the streets are full of the opposition. And it can never stop. If the citizens won't put down their TV remotes and game controllers, nothing can save them.
Police don't function though. Police cried at me all night for not being able to arrest me. I have to unclog this shit for them? Pathetic. The government has surrendered.
Police most decidedly do things, even if they aren't the things you'd like them to do. We don't want then functioning independently of their civilian government, either. We want to be that government.
No one wants to be a government. That's fucking stupid. Governments suck. No one participates in the system except through coercive action. When will 'the government' fix itself? It is all corrupted, yet they pretend to be above board and actually lawful. That is simply astounding.
The law, the Constitution, the Code of Hammurabi--they're all meaningless unless someone they are being enforced. One thing is certain, though: a society will be ruled. If the people will not maintain the presence to rule themselves, then someone else will do it.
Look at your fellow pedes. First, the military was going to ride in and fix this. Now, were upset that the police are doing exactly what the police have always done instead of riding in to fix this. We fix this, or it doesn't get fixed.
So you admit defeat then?
The government has surrendered.
The government has surrendered nothing. In fact, they've claimed power prohibited to them by the Constitution. Did you notice what the Constitution has done in reply? Nothing, because it's a set of ideas.
My point is that ideas don't do anything without people to carry them forward.
Lemme guess, people are fallible, Jesus forgives them?
They've claimed more power than the Constitution ever granted them and now they are attacking the bill of rights. Like a wife beaten by her abusive authoritarian, we just come back and make it right after these many hundreds of years?
People don't need government. The people are going to find out everything and they'll make the choice for themselves.
Obligatory KYS just to get that out of the way.
Come on man...be realistic. We need good cops.
That's like saying we just need good politicians. It comes down to minimizing the possibility of corruption. State sanctioned and controlled police forces, having no connection the public, is the very opposite of that. The only "police" I want is the one that's Constitutional and elected by the people to work for the people. And that's Sheriffs.
Unless they are corrupt then fuck them too.
https://www.wikihow.com/Make-a-Citizen%27s-Arrest
The politicians aren't elected now either.
The Constitution doesn't address local law enforcement. The concept of local police being answerable as directly as possible to their communities is a good start, but it's only a concept. The Constitution, in fact, is only a concept, and it's only as good as its current interpretation.
I've been trying to get some of the doe-eyed children here to understand what the police are and how they work, but it hasn't gone well. As the truck steers toward them, many prefer to complain that the front grill shouldn't be pointed toward them, rather than thinking about the driver.
Any constabulary is a direct reflection of its civilian command. Mayors and city councils are all elected, and they hold public meetings. How often are those meeting filled with angry patriots demanding an end to government overreach? How often do leftist douchenozzles run unopposed for those positions?
Our masters like having layers of more visible protection, whether it be Antifa/BLM, the police, or whatever else they can keep attention focused on. These are all tools and weapons, and too many of us are failing to focus on the hand that wields them.
This only works if patriots get involved and stay involved. What was the price of liberty, again?
Sorry, I should have worded it better as I meant that the Sheriff's are accountable to the Constitution (state level and US), not that something is written about it. But like you say, people have to be involved to make sure they stay accountable.
Okay, I dig. I would love to see Americans (if that word still means anything) start reconsidering what they want the police to be. Until they claim control, though, that's a moot point.
A good first step would be flushing out all the bad ones then.
1st amendment auditors are making a dent in that area. Follow them and help them out. It takes american's to fix any problem.
What's a bad cop?
What is a good cop?