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War_Hamster 3 points ago +3 / -0

I mentioned "new" countrymen.

Your description is pretty accurate, and I live among all of these types in San Diego, but I was asking whether they outranked whites on the slavery hierarchy mentioned above.

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RStroud 2 points ago +2 / -0

Looking at it purely by race is probably myopic. There's a choice between an ethos/culture of dependence or independence, though race and enculturation play a part in which culture we associate with.

Our Hispanic brothers can choose the BIPOC coalition or "whiteness" (which is really just traditional westernism). They can play the role of the oppressed or exercise self determination.

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War_Hamster 1 point ago +1 / -0

A lot of the ones I know have chosen door #2. Not all, but enough to give me hope.

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Picnochetwasahero 2 points ago +2 / -0

We are not a monolithic group. “Hispanic” is a dumb term that all it describes is the spoken language. Just because cubans and Venezuelan vote right does not mean you got the “hispanic” vote. Those two groups might as well be consider white right wingers in the left’s eyes.

The key to the spanish speaking vote is to reach out to the specific groups and talk to them directly. Most of the people lumped together under that banner dont even like each other.

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War_Hamster 1 point ago +1 / -0

That's fair.

I was referring specially to my neighbors. In my neighborhood of San Diego, we've got a lot of Mexicans of all immigration status. They're good neighbors and friends. I certainly wouldn't use that description of all members of any "ethnic" group, but my neighborhood can be stereotyped to some degree (small business owners and working class families).

I think the most interesting trend from the 2020 election was the big shift right from the border towns, especially in Texas. That's a specific group that shifted for a few specific reasons, and it's good to see.