Honestly who cares? Take a picture. Document it, file it away, whatever. Its a scribble on a rock. It's worth studying, but a human putting a metal spike in a rock next to a place where another human drew a picture isn't a big deal.
I care. I don’t want some acid tripping hippy with a go pro defacing historical artifacts. It’s not a scribble on a rock anymore than the constitution is scribble on paper. Respect both as both are important. It’s human history and it matters.
Gilbert told Climbing that he, “would like to apologize to the local indigenous people for any disrespect or damages that have been caused by any of my actions. I would also like to apologize to the climbing community for misrepresenting and damaging the way the public views climbers. It was never my intention to cause pain to anyone and [it] was an uneducated mistake that I am dedicated and committed to making right.”
Thank you for posting the article. I’m glad he apologized, I said that more in jest but it still irked me that he did it. It was wrong but he doesn’t deserve death threats, either. There are less destructive ways of climbing than using bolts and anchors, I’d be fine if they used a belay or repel, something that doesn’t damage the rock face.
It was important to whoever made it and pretending it’s not is what is stupid. It’s art and a historical treasure and it should be respected. The constitution is more important, yes, and I don’t want to see it vandalized either.
If I carve my name in a tree, does that mean the tree should never be cut down? Can everyone start gouging their graffiti into the rocks at national parks, would you be OK with that?
If you had something smart to say, then yes, I would say save the tree. A person is not a culture. Should we destroy film, photographs, paintings, books, because a single person made them? No. Those rocks are how that culture told stories and passed along information to the next generation. And the one after that. Just like WE DO. Again, it’s important to preserve such treasures and it’s important to view them as such.
I think you’re missing the point. Of th e constitution was carved on a tree you wouldn’t want it cut down. The glyphs tell a story for us to learn from or about who made them. It’s human history snd it’s important and I believe it should be respected. It’s not graffiti. And even if it was it should be preserved. People have pieces of the Berlin Wall graffiti. Why? Because it’s history. It matters.
Jesus you’re thick. It’s not about “graffiti” you ass. We chop down trees and print on them. They used rocks because they are permanent. Hard concept for you? You’re missing my entire point, it’s history. Humans creating information to pass along. And you’re ok with destroying it for grins. Not that you’d learn anything from it. You probably think as well as you argue.
Climber defaces, nay, ruins human’s earliest forms of art work so they can “climb” up a rock face using tools that make it easier to climb up a rock face. 5.3 is the difficulty, I believe, of the route. In other words, some fucking acid tripping asshole decided their adventure is more important than rock art. Respect our parks. Respect our history. And throw this piece of shit in prison
5.3 is super, super easy. Virtually any climber would consider this to be more of a scramble than a technical climb.
So some idiot placed a permanent anchor on a climb that has zero need for such and chose to do so inches away from an irreplaceable archaeological treasure.
I am a pretty experienced climber and this pisses me off on many levels.
Same. Remember that dumb girl who painted rocks at a national park for “art?” Same level of anger. It’s this cavalier and flippant attitude toward historical artifacts that pisses me off.
Absolutely right! 5.3 is easily climbable by anyone who isn't handicapped. Many climbers don't even rope up for a single pitch 5.3.
Non climbers don't understand that there is and has been an ethical debate about climbers using any form of protection that damages the rock, pitons have been frowned upon for decades!
I did most of my climbing backs in the 1980's and 90's, even back then most of us felt that if you need to place a bolt on a route then you're admitting that the route is beyond your ability, and you should leave it for a more skilled climber.
5.3?!!
when a guy on tdwin(i think) actually tracked down the Comet guy's phone and started talking shit to him, some fed texted him and said to leave it alone, because he was messing with a mixture of 'Enemy of the State' and 'Arrival'.
always wondered why a Fed would throw an alien movie in there. this kind of reminded me of that.
I had no idea they drew pedo joe trying to scoop up a kid 1,000 years ago.
and wtf? a thousand years ago this is all these people had? thousands of years ago almost every society had waaaaaayyyyyy better shit.
but in all seriousness, i get why people don't want to destroy historical artifacts even if its not that good. but at the same time it's like ehhhh
A human apparently taking a shit while holding their double amputee child below a horse (brought initially by the Spaniards, NOT 1000 years ago) is garbage art at best. Bolt away gang
Don't forget about the Greenpeace assholes who messed up the Nazca lines to "raise awareness" that they are a bunch of fucking cunts.
Honestly who cares? Take a picture. Document it, file it away, whatever. Its a scribble on a rock. It's worth studying, but a human putting a metal spike in a rock next to a place where another human drew a picture isn't a big deal.
The Constitution is a big deal.
I care. I don’t want some acid tripping hippy with a go pro defacing historical artifacts. It’s not a scribble on a rock anymore than the constitution is scribble on paper. Respect both as both are important. It’s human history and it matters.
This was no hippy.
Gilbert told Climbing that he, “would like to apologize to the local indigenous people for any disrespect or damages that have been caused by any of my actions. I would also like to apologize to the climbing community for misrepresenting and damaging the way the public views climbers. It was never my intention to cause pain to anyone and [it] was an uneducated mistake that I am dedicated and committed to making right.”
https://www.climbing.com/news/climber-who-bolted-routes-over-native-american-art-apologizes-says-he-received-death-threats/
Thank you for posting the article. I’m glad he apologized, I said that more in jest but it still irked me that he did it. It was wrong but he doesn’t deserve death threats, either. There are less destructive ways of climbing than using bolts and anchors, I’d be fine if they used a belay or repel, something that doesn’t damage the rock face.
I’d rather someone get enjoyment out of it. Bet the 5.3 is making people happier than the petroglyph (which is still there by the way) .
No, that's stupid.
It was important to whoever made it and pretending it’s not is what is stupid. It’s art and a historical treasure and it should be respected. The constitution is more important, yes, and I don’t want to see it vandalized either.
If I carve my name in a tree, does that mean the tree should never be cut down? Can everyone start gouging their graffiti into the rocks at national parks, would you be OK with that?
If you had something smart to say, then yes, I would say save the tree. A person is not a culture. Should we destroy film, photographs, paintings, books, because a single person made them? No. Those rocks are how that culture told stories and passed along information to the next generation. And the one after that. Just like WE DO. Again, it’s important to preserve such treasures and it’s important to view them as such.
With the price of lumber? Cut that shit down!
I think you’re missing the point. Of th e constitution was carved on a tree you wouldn’t want it cut down. The glyphs tell a story for us to learn from or about who made them. It’s human history snd it’s important and I believe it should be respected. It’s not graffiti. And even if it was it should be preserved. People have pieces of the Berlin Wall graffiti. Why? Because it’s history. It matters.
It’s important to preserve history but you can’t claim mountains because of some random drawings. At some point, you’ll be preserving everything.
No one is claiming the whole mounting, just the couple feet around the drawing you fucking dunce.
So the standard of whether a person's graffiti should be protected is whether or not it's "smart?" How "smart" is the petroglyph in this picture?
Jesus you’re thick. It’s not about “graffiti” you ass. We chop down trees and print on them. They used rocks because they are permanent. Hard concept for you? You’re missing my entire point, it’s history. Humans creating information to pass along. And you’re ok with destroying it for grins. Not that you’d learn anything from it. You probably think as well as you argue.
If the tree survives a hundreds of years and the engraving was still intact then yes I would expect them to preserve it.
Like, wtf kind of question even is this?
State and Fed laws protect these pieces of history. Thousands of miles of acceptable climbing areas without defacing history.
the climber has been found and deeply regrets his actions. Claims to have not known they were pictographs. Unknown if charges will be filed.
Retarded
Psh.. this art sucks. A child could do better. Bolt away
Since you're here, who makes better art on the floor? you or Xiden?
My poops are solid and noble.. bidens are just dribbles coming out of his overfilled adult diapers and out his pants leg.
I didn’t understand a single fucking thing in this
Climber defaces, nay, ruins human’s earliest forms of art work so they can “climb” up a rock face using tools that make it easier to climb up a rock face. 5.3 is the difficulty, I believe, of the route. In other words, some fucking acid tripping asshole decided their adventure is more important than rock art. Respect our parks. Respect our history. And throw this piece of shit in prison
5.3 is super, super easy. Virtually any climber would consider this to be more of a scramble than a technical climb.
So some idiot placed a permanent anchor on a climb that has zero need for such and chose to do so inches away from an irreplaceable archaeological treasure.
I am a pretty experienced climber and this pisses me off on many levels.
Look at it this way, 1000 years ago, some guy managed to do it without climbing aids AND tagged a rock with stone tools while he was there.
Amen
Same. Remember that dumb girl who painted rocks at a national park for “art?” Same level of anger. It’s this cavalier and flippant attitude toward historical artifacts that pisses me off.
Absolutely right! 5.3 is easily climbable by anyone who isn't handicapped. Many climbers don't even rope up for a single pitch 5.3. Non climbers don't understand that there is and has been an ethical debate about climbers using any form of protection that damages the rock, pitons have been frowned upon for decades! I did most of my climbing backs in the 1980's and 90's, even back then most of us felt that if you need to place a bolt on a route then you're admitting that the route is beyond your ability, and you should leave it for a more skilled climber. 5.3?!!
I’m sure that route was off limits for climbing to begin with and then this pussy bolts it down. Jail this pussy for sure
What hell is an alien doing in Moab with a child?
Ancient Epstein theorists believe the Earth may have been visited by advaned Democrats thousands of years ago
when a guy on tdwin(i think) actually tracked down the Comet guy's phone and started talking shit to him, some fed texted him and said to leave it alone, because he was messing with a mixture of 'Enemy of the State' and 'Arrival'.
always wondered why a Fed would throw an alien movie in there. this kind of reminded me of that.
Comet guy?
James Alefantis, the pizzagate fomite
There weren't any horses in America 1,000 years ago.
Allegedly. They lie about things that happened 2 days ago. It would be easy to lie about civilizations in north america prior to the mongol migration.
Think I'm full of shit? Do a quick search "windover bog dna"
Hello fellow narrative-questioner.
That's the thing, this petroglyph is probably 500 years old max not 1k
Lol 5.3 just walk up it, what an idiot
That's modern art, bigot.
Not quite. Modern art is for money laundering
The vast majority of "outdoorsy" people are disrespectful as fuck to the environment.
Looking at you, every dickfuck with an ATV who lives outside of the unpopulated southwest.
Not quite, but I understand the point. No petroglyph is keeping a nation free of true tyranny.
The constitution is as good as a stupid rock if the courts are corrupt
Nor is the constitution.
I had no idea they drew pedo joe trying to scoop up a kid 1,000 years ago. and wtf? a thousand years ago this is all these people had? thousands of years ago almost every society had waaaaaayyyyyy better shit.
but in all seriousness, i get why people don't want to destroy historical artifacts even if its not that good. but at the same time it's like ehhhh
prob some dumb cunt trying to do the dew
low iq climber couldn't recognize low iq art
Looks like some of the Pizzagate "art."
Yah, not really
Ehh fuck off climbing is great.
What an Ass hat <3 MAGA2021
A human apparently taking a shit while holding their double amputee child below a horse (brought initially by the Spaniards, NOT 1000 years ago) is garbage art at best. Bolt away gang