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posted ago by Crankyboy ago by Crankyboy +21 / -1

I see a ton of Pedes cheering on Russia in the conflict in Ukraine without any idea of what is going on. Russia annexed Crimea in 2014 and invaded Eastern Ukraine. The Far-Right Nationalists were the ones fighting back the Russians while the Ukrainian army was in shambles. What you have now is an area called Donbas on the Russian boarder that is under the control of Pro-Russian Separatists. Many of those "Separatists" are mercenaries on pay roll by Russia. In fact, many of the "Separatists" killed in the fighting turned out to be Russian Military.

Many of the people flooding Donbas to fight for the "Separatists" are the Far-Left. (Buzzfeed has written about this.) This Leftist makes videos on Youtube about fighting for the "Separatists" and talking about how they are going to kill the "Ukrainian Fascists" and about how much he "Hates Trump."

Just because Russia has some Based things you like, does not mean that invading Ukraine is Just or Right. It's literally a distraction from Putin's tanking approval ratings after his botched assassination of his political opponent Alexei Navalny, and Alexei's documentary that exposed the insane amount of money and land he has stolen from the Russia people. Putin's palace - History of world's largest bribe

Ukraine is attracting Americans who want to fight alongside far-right extremists.

Far Left American fighting against Ukrainian Nazis

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PermaHandshake 1 point ago +1 / -0

Correct, there's nothing illegal about raping kids unless someone declares it illegal and then enforces it.

Immoral might be a better word than illegal because you can make a moral argument about things without necessarily having a legal backing.

What issues does Putin stand in the way on? I agree that there aren't any better leaders. That's always how it goes though. No leader is perfect. At least Putin generally as a whole has the right idea.

In this discussion, it's Ukraine that worries me. I worry if Ukraine successfully appeals to the west for aid in maintaining its sovereignty against Russia, it will be a deal with the devil and Ukraine will be culturally dominated by the west. Western cultural domination is infinitely worse than losing sovereignty to Russia, in my opinion.

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gushgosh 1 point ago +1 / -0

Well, at least you are consistent...

So what do you call something which is defined as illegal, but it's not enforced for what ever reason?

And technically ukraine is doing something about it, there's war, you know... Not that it's working on their favor, they lost crimea, it was always a lost cause as long a putin tried to take it and believe me, ukraine as a whole is a lost cause with biden in seat.

"they aren't all perfect" well, different from Xi, biden can listen to reason and proper sanctions, Xi won't listen to anything, the moment he's made to listen his head is cut by his own allies sensing the weakness.

But now putin is china's bitch, because we have a man in his pockets and Xi's pockets in the presidency, along with most of congress and half the senate, and putin's pockets aren't that big....

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PermaHandshake 1 point ago +1 / -0

There's actually a legal term for those laws. I can't remember it off-hand but generally speaking, those kinds of laws are looked poorly upon by liberty focused people because the laws only exist as a way for people to choose how to enforce it whenever it is convenient for them which leads to corruption. I know what I'm saying is out of context to what we're discussing.

I was making a bit of a joke with my earlier point. From the Russian perspective, they're laughing. Hahahah "illegal"? LMAO as they roll through in their armored vehicles. What are you gonna do pussy? To Russia, the concept of "illegal" is a joke and I was taking that perspective.

Obviously from Ukraine's perspective in which they have little military strength, trying to maintain "law & order" such that "legalities" matter is preferable because Ukraine doesn't have the military strength to match Russia. When you're fighting from a position of weakness, using things like "legal" to add weight to your position is important, so I get your perspective.

Personally, I'm more of a might is right kind of guy. The whole "oh we have rules to follow" is a more leftist approach and tends to be a means by which leftists subvert other countries.

I would take Xi and Putin or Putin as Xi's bitch, over the USA, EU and the west any day. The culture of Putin + Xi is superior to western culture. Also, are you not from the USA? Biden is more Xi's bitch than Putin. Ukraine only really had a chance with Trump in power. Everything Biden is doing right now is for show. Ukraine's fate has already been decided by the powers at play and you're just watching the show now.

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gushgosh 1 point ago +1 / -0

Know one thing, with putin you can at least say the people actually love him.

Xi's having a multifaceted civil war in literally all fronts. His culture is shit. At least there's peace in the red states of the US.

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PermaHandshake 1 point ago +1 / -0

USA is on the brink of its own civil war. It's cultural civil war is just getting started here. Some think that's China's influence but I disagree with that assessment. The west did it to itself with its reverence of international neoliberalism ahead of all other values.

I agree China is not great overall but the way in which China will use Ukraine is not going to be to enforce his culture on Ukraine. Russia still provides a buffer to Chinese cultural dominance. If Ukraine exists Russia's shadow there's no doubt Ukraine will degrade into the western abyss of moral decadence.