I think a shared culture is infinitely more important than ethnicity. Although ethnicity and culture tend to go together, they can be separate. Shit was working fine during the,few decades of the US being colorblind for the most part.
It is, but I'm sure Aristotle saw the same thing that we see today. Ethnicity being used to divide and exploit.
Remember, Aristotle was watching the birth of the Roman republic, probably the first significant multi-ethnic experiment in governance.
The Romans understood the value in a multi ethnic empire, they needed it in order to expand. However, they underestimated the cost. The speed of expansion needed to be balanced with the time it took to "Romanize" it's new subjects and citizens.
You're kind of on point. Where I would disagree is that the roman empire survived for 500 years. At the tail end if which, they failed to secure their borders and allowed differences in cultures to pervade, instead of encouraging commonality via education and induction into their own systems of culture and governance. However, I will say I haven't spent a ton of time reading about the fall of rome, merely the highlights. So I could be wrong.
To put a finer point on it, Rome actually lasted for around 1,000 yrs. Imperial Rome (From Octavian Augustus Caesar, nephew of Gaius Julius Caesar) last about 500 yrs. The Romans knew that slavery (other races) were a threat -see Spartacus. They also knew that outsiders like Attila (later) were a threat as well. The internal struggles of the Senate and the Imperial rulers caused several civil wars, but ultimately they could not hold the empire together because of the fractured ethnic groups who were beginning to band together - see Boudica in Brittania. The empire's resources were spread too thin and they could not quash rebellions quickly, it continued to weaken the empire until it finally fell.
Barbarian was simply a term for foreigners, not the acts they perpetrated later in history. I do remember that to be fact. Stems from the barbary coast, long before islam was a thing. But the roman republic only lasted about 250 years give or take a decade or two. Then they handed over rule to caesar and he never gave it back. So we are pretty much aligned with histories follies.
Exactly correct on the barbarians. Your point is taken in regards to the republic where you are also correct. When Caesar crossed the Rubicon, the republic was all but ended.
Was biden setting up the national guard (I know it wasnt literally him that did it, probably obama's lackeys in the military) at the capitol the rubicon moment for the u.s.?
You could point that out to students, but I guarantee you the message they would receive is "Aristotle was racist" and they'd call for his teachings to be removed from the curricula. I mean, he is white after all.
What we are experiencing now is nothing new, and will likely never end. Rather than highlight the differences with others we would be better to focus on the things we share w/our black and brown Frens. There is strength in numbers.
"Tyrants and despots devide and rule, they want the City devided by ethnic rivalries." That statement is more revealing than most would understand. It's called pushing a narrative, and a few people here are falling for it. Nothing separates me from my fellow man, regardless of skin color, except ideology concerning the future of our nation. My white ass has more in common with my hispanic friend than anyone who would willingly separate themselves from their countrymen based on the color of their skin.
I'm the same, I tend to find myself getting along much easier with Hispanics than your average white person. That's also because I'm a first generation American of a Mediterranean background so Hispanic culture is much more similar to the culture of my heritage.
Yeah, sam but different, only in that my heritage is purely American. My bloodline however stems directly from a particular scottish knight circa 1600s. With some german and irish mixed in. Not that any of that is important, just a point of fact.
Show me an example of a Constitutional Republic is currently successful (maybe homogeneous Japan?)? Every Western Republic is corrupt to the core.
I tend to feel that countries require governments that suit its people, one size fits all doesn't work. The United States may be entering a time where its Republic may no longer work because every facet of it has been corrupted. The people who take upon roles of representation are corrupt and the people aren't so upright in themselves.
The Constitutional Republic doesn't work because it is not being a Constitutional Republic. There are too many legal schemes to undermine the Constitution and legal precedent is more powerful than the Constitution.
I think a shared culture is infinitely more important than ethnicity. Although ethnicity and culture tend to go together, they can be separate. Shit was working fine during the,few decades of the US being colorblind for the most part.
It is, but I'm sure Aristotle saw the same thing that we see today. Ethnicity being used to divide and exploit.
Remember, Aristotle was watching the birth of the Roman republic, probably the first significant multi-ethnic experiment in governance.
The Romans understood the value in a multi ethnic empire, they needed it in order to expand. However, they underestimated the cost. The speed of expansion needed to be balanced with the time it took to "Romanize" it's new subjects and citizens.
You're kind of on point. Where I would disagree is that the roman empire survived for 500 years. At the tail end if which, they failed to secure their borders and allowed differences in cultures to pervade, instead of encouraging commonality via education and induction into their own systems of culture and governance. However, I will say I haven't spent a ton of time reading about the fall of rome, merely the highlights. So I could be wrong.
To put a finer point on it, Rome actually lasted for around 1,000 yrs. Imperial Rome (From Octavian Augustus Caesar, nephew of Gaius Julius Caesar) last about 500 yrs. The Romans knew that slavery (other races) were a threat -see Spartacus. They also knew that outsiders like Attila (later) were a threat as well. The internal struggles of the Senate and the Imperial rulers caused several civil wars, but ultimately they could not hold the empire together because of the fractured ethnic groups who were beginning to band together - see Boudica in Brittania. The empire's resources were spread too thin and they could not quash rebellions quickly, it continued to weaken the empire until it finally fell.
Sounds familiar.
You're right. It definitely lasted longer than I see the USA lasting, however, the pace of things then seems much slower than today.
I'd argue that their failure to secure their borders was precisely because they couldn't get the Barbarian's among other cultures, to become Roman.
Interestingly, Roman culture kept spreading long after the fall of the empire. Hopefully this great American experiment will as well.
Barbarian was simply a term for foreigners, not the acts they perpetrated later in history. I do remember that to be fact. Stems from the barbary coast, long before islam was a thing. But the roman republic only lasted about 250 years give or take a decade or two. Then they handed over rule to caesar and he never gave it back. So we are pretty much aligned with histories follies.
Exactly correct on the barbarians. Your point is taken in regards to the republic where you are also correct. When Caesar crossed the Rubicon, the republic was all but ended.
Was biden setting up the national guard (I know it wasnt literally him that did it, probably obama's lackeys in the military) at the capitol the rubicon moment for the u.s.?
Nope. Diversity + Proximity = War. Since forever.
I would rather share a country with Cuban, Chinese and Venezuelan anti-communist dissidents than white liberals.
Same, but I would add "...white, racist, liberal, commies that pretend to be conservative on Trump supporting websites."
You could point that out to students, but I guarantee you the message they would receive is "Aristotle was racist" and they'd call for his teachings to be removed from the curricula. I mean, he is white after all.
Aristotle was correct.
Aristotle-"Turn off the fucking media!!"
What we are experiencing now is nothing new, and will likely never end. Rather than highlight the differences with others we would be better to focus on the things we share w/our black and brown Frens. There is strength in numbers.
"Tyrants and despots devide and rule, they want the City devided by ethnic rivalries." That statement is more revealing than most would understand. It's called pushing a narrative, and a few people here are falling for it. Nothing separates me from my fellow man, regardless of skin color, except ideology concerning the future of our nation. My white ass has more in common with my hispanic friend than anyone who would willingly separate themselves from their countrymen based on the color of their skin.
I'm the same, I tend to find myself getting along much easier with Hispanics than your average white person. That's also because I'm a first generation American of a Mediterranean background so Hispanic culture is much more similar to the culture of my heritage.
Yeah, sam but different, only in that my heritage is purely American. My bloodline however stems directly from a particular scottish knight circa 1600s. With some german and irish mixed in. Not that any of that is important, just a point of fact.
That is why a Constitutional Republic is better than a Democracy.
Show me an example of a Constitutional Republic is currently successful (maybe homogeneous Japan?)? Every Western Republic is corrupt to the core.
I tend to feel that countries require governments that suit its people, one size fits all doesn't work. The United States may be entering a time where its Republic may no longer work because every facet of it has been corrupted. The people who take upon roles of representation are corrupt and the people aren't so upright in themselves.
The Constitutional Republic doesn't work because it is not being a Constitutional Republic. There are too many legal schemes to undermine the Constitution and legal precedent is more powerful than the Constitution.
That is scary as shit but it’s also true, I can see it happening!